ness31 wrote:He goes on about one of the congresswomen talking about Al Qaeda as though she supported them, I cant imagine that being true If anyone has any specific footage for viewing to the contrary though, post it.
It's a staple on FoxNews.
ness31 wrote:Edit - oh, and what business that is of Britain’s, who knows?
Teresa May is going down in flames, and this is just her parting shot as she will likely be succeeded by BoJo.
Godstud wrote:What they think is very important.
Teresa May has taken shots at Trump before. She probably had a hand in Christopher Steele's dossier, as I'm betting he didn't act alone.
Traveller wrote:Nobody truly thinks his comments were racist.
He didn't mention race in his comments at all. He obviously met his mark, as establishment types are siding with the radicals. They played right into his hands again. You'd think they'd learn.
Traveller wrote:People who SAY they think the tweets were/are racist are liars and they are lying to virtue signal.
They are hoping it is a 'teachable moment' where they can sway Trump supporters away from Trump. Nobody will remember this in November of 2020. Heck, Republicans calling for him to step down before the election in 2016 were ignored and he still went on to win. What his tweets do is force Democrat leadership to come to the aid of extremists in their own party--extremists who are calling them racists too.
Moderate independents will eschew the Democrats as a result. However, it's important to remember that Trump is playing with the non-rational part of people's brains, and he seems rather masterful at it. This sticks deep in people's minds. The masses do not follow these things rationally. They do so emotionally, and that's what Trump is doing.
Traveller wrote:They refuse, REFUSE to look at the merits of his point of view and instead they shift the focus to "omg, someone hurt our feelings!".
In the 1980s, the media had to operate according to the "Fairness Doctrine." That no longer exists. So you no longer have CNN's Crossfire with Tom Braden vs. Pat Buchannan. Even Hannity started his television career with Hannity and Colmes, as a paean to Crossfire. Yet, now it's just Hannity. On CNN, it's just the left. There is no balance. So how does Trump reach deep into the heart of the Democratic party media establishment to get his message forward? He does exactly this sort of thing. They are formulaic and knee-jerk in their response. Yet, Trump's seemingly off-the-cuff tweets are actually very calculated.
Traveller wrote:As far as the UK? The UK is a failed society - a failed government and the only hope for true liberty of the people of the UK is revolution.
Yeah. The globalists are getting shelled and they have rendered the UK unrecognizable and consequently are unpopular in the US, UK and pretty much everywhere else.
ness wrote:Holy moly, you’d be shocked and appalled by some of the stuff he said
Churchill was a classic. Today's establishment hates Churchill though.
Pants-of-dog wrote:This is clearly a re-election ploy for Trump.
He is hoping that his overt displays of racism will cement support from his base.
Trump already has his base. Trump is reminding white blue collar Democrats that the Democratic party has become radical and hates them because they are white. He specifically omitted any racial reference from his rhetoric, because he will probably be campaigning to get some of the black vote as well. Blacks are mostly Christian in the US. Highlighting Omar's verbal dalliance with Al Qaeda and ISIS is off-putting to black Americans. Some of them will never vote for Trump, but if they don't show up to vote for Biden, Trump wins again.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Trump is also doing this as an effort to focus attention on the Squad, since he loses ground every time the media focuses on the Democrat front runners.
He's doing it to make the presidential contenders defend the squad against his attacks--thereby associating them with the beliefs of the squad. Right now, only Joe Biden has a chance of winning the election, and he's already harmed himself enough by acquiescing to the squad. Bill Clinton won the presidency from a very popular George H.W. Bush in part with his "Sista Souljah" moment. All of the Democrats have failed on this count by middle American standards. Right now, this will make Trump's approval numbers go down and his negatives go up. Yet, he's driving up the negatives of the Democrats in the process, just as he did with Hillary Clinton.
BigSteve wrote:Trump is exercising HIS right of free speech (he still has that, you know). Why do you take such a hypocrtitical stance?
Trump said she couldn't leave fast enough in the context of helping Somalia. He also said she could leave, or she could stay, but she should love America. Trump said nothing about race. What this means is that the establishment still doesn't now how or why he won.
noemon wrote:Telling them to shut up because they are foreigners who should go back where they came from is the very definition of racism.
Racism is more like having a different set of political rights, privileges and immunities based upon racial characteristics. Telling someone to go back where they came from fits the definition of xenophobia better.
noemon wrote:Trump could have said the same thing without being racist but he chose to be racist because well racism seems to be the only thing he has got going on for himself.
Trump specifically omitted race. Trump knows how people like you are going to react. Once he has your ire, you are operating on an emotional rather than a rational basis. Your reaction serves Trump's political ends. Since Trump didn't mention race and you did, to people who are not upset about what Trump said, it appears to them that you are the one obsessed with race. To you, it's just so obvious that Trump is racist. That's not how it appears to others. Illusionists always have the big breasted woman in a bikini to distract the audience from the sleight of hand.
noemon wrote:Trump is trying to remove the right of free speech from American citizens based on their ethnic-origin and is trying to rally his supporters towards that goal.
That's a popular thing to do on the left these days, so it will not harm Trump's support.
BigSteve wrote:Hey, I was wishing that Omar would shut the fuck up long before Trump said it.
This @noemon is what you are not understanding. People like Omar are loathed in the US because so much has been given to them, while at the same time the US establishment trashes white blue collar people. Trump is just saying what BigSteve already thinks. As I said above, Trump is just locking in that white Democratic blue collar vote that needs reminding.
BigSteve wrote:Telling someone to shut the fuck up is not, will never be, and has never been "racist"...
Quite right. However, @noemon will take his statements and make them mean things he didn't say, repeat what he didn't say to others, condemn Trump, and I'm guessing doing so in the hopes that you too will condemn Trump? I'm just amazed at the mastery. It's all in plain site. Trump specifically omitted race, didn't mention anyone by name, yet they all know exactly who he is talking about. So they start interpolating their interpretations into his words, and they go absolutely ballistic.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Trump, of course, will neither admit to racism nor stop being racist.
This strategy helped get him elected in 2016*, and he is probably counting on it working again.
It is working again. Trump counts Kanye West among his friends. Kanye West's wife, Kim Kardashian, pitched sentencing reform to Trump as it was unfair largely to black people. Trump got that enacted into law. Obama IS black, and he never bothered to do that. A cop friend of mine points out that Obama came to San Francisco over 25 times and never once visited the predominantly black neighborhoods. Obama hung out almost exclusively in Pacific Heights, which is derogatorily known as "Specific Whites"--meaning very wealthy people. Yet, Trump, derided as racist more than presidents who actually were racist, with just some phone calls and meetings from Kanye West and Kim Kardashian single-handedly pushed prison sentencing reform. He can run for re-election on this fact. If Obama cared about black people, why didn't he propose sentencing reform? What Trump is illustrating is that the political left is hollow and meaningless. This time, Trump has real results.
Pants-of-dog wrote:This is why he is doubling down on the racism now.
He's doubling down on making people like you call him racist without a solid policy justification to support your position.
Pants-of-dog wrote:...but the thread is about his racist tweets.
In which he never mentioned anyone by name or anyone's race...
noemon wrote:You are explicitly denying the racism in Trump's statement despite the fact that it is clearly singling out American citizens due to their ethnic-origins which as we saw is what the definition of racism/racial discrimination is all about.
12% of the US Congress is comprised of immigrants or children of immigrants. Trump's wife is an immigrants. Trump never mentioned ethnic origins in his comments. He mentioned people who came to America and are now bashing America. That's not all of the immigrants in Congress. It's four specific members of Congress, which he didn't specify by name, race, ethnicity, gender or religion. Yet, everybody knew who Trump was talking about by what those four say about America.
BigSteve wrote:Fact of the matter is that, understanding that three of them were born here, I don't agree with his tweet with regards to them.
Yeah, that part that they are all immigrants was incorrect. Where others are speculating on racism, I'm speculating on whether he knew that and decided to leave some inaccuracies in his tweet. However, I think two of the others are children of immigrants. AOC's mother is from Puerto Rico and so are her father's grandparents.
Hindsite wrote:Omar was the one that was not born in America. Trump was primarily addressing her when he said go back to where you came from and fix it and then come back and tell how it is done. It just so happens that the other women of color have been supporting her outrageous comments and making outrageous comments themselves that made them all seem like they hated America.
This is what they aren't getting--you picked up every detail of his statement. They are omitting details of his statement and then twisting it to mean what they want it to mean. Yet, Trump does this so transparently. The guy beat Hillary Clinton and had no prior political experience, and they are still sticking with the same strategy that failed spectacularly in 2016. Those outrageous comments are made by others in the squad too, like Rashida Tlaib who is also a member of the Democratic Socialists along with AOC.
Hindsite wrote:After several deeply disturbing comments about the terror organization, the congresswoman is facing legitimate criticism and inquiries.
She refused to condemn the Antifa terrorist attack on the ICE detention facility too.
Hindsite wrote:Trump has done a good job in revealing the radical anti-American views of these 4 Democrat women, who played the race card as they often do, so they can claim to be the victim of a bully.
That's the 4D chess move. The Democrats are annoyed with these women and said so; then, the squad called Pelosi a racist. Who defended Pelosi? Trump! How did Pelosi repay that? By calling Trump a racist! The dude is a freaking genius. Again, he gets millions of dollars in free publicity and they cannot help but give it to him.
@Sivad saw this coming too. I authored DEMOCRATS DUMP POTENTIAL MAJORITY LEADER FOR 28-YEAR OLD SOCIALIST!
, and Sivad mentioned the results in 2020. Some people just don't have a long range viewpoint. You've got the Hindsite, I've got the foresight.
Trump has to have some strong grounding in neuroscience or NLP or something to be pulling this off.