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#15051183
late wrote:Stupidity carries a price tag.

The cost is exponentially higher than you seem to think.


It doesn't if you are the most powerful country in the world while your own population doesn't care about global trade and global relations because their livelyhood doesn't depend on it.
#15051186
JohnRawls wrote:
It doesn't if you are the most powerful country in the world while your own population doesn't care about global trade and global relations because their livelyhood doesn't depend on it.



There is no magic.

A country is the reserve currency because of political alliances and economic stability.

Trump screwed the pooch in regard to our alliances, and our economic stability is decreasing.

Which means if Putin understands this, he can build a cache of dollars, and start a sell off of dollars at an opportune moment.

That would set off a severe recession, or a depression. My guess is depression, but I can be a bit of a pessimist occasionally.

There have been a couple attempts to create a basket of currencies to act as a reserve. That will likely work at some point in the future.
#15051193
late wrote:There is no magic.

A country is the reserve currency because of political alliances and economic stability.

Trump screwed the pooch in regard to our alliances, and our economic stability is decreasing.

Which means if Putin understands this, he can build a cache of dollars, and start a sell off of dollars at an opportune moment.

That would set off a severe recession, or a depression. My guess is depression, but I can be a bit of a pessimist occasionally.

There have been a couple attempts to create a basket of currencies to act as a reserve. That will likely work at some point in the future.

He can't because the dollars can be simply cut off from him. What most people don't understand is that the damage that is done to the West is mostly either self inflicted or self tolerated by the West.

When Russia uses social networks to sway opinion it is using Western institutions. Same thing goes for finance or currencies. If needed we can simply cut countries off and ruin their economies or abilities. We just dont. This applies to many countries outside the West including China. What the US essentially did was exersize that ability.

The problem is that they did it for a relatively no reason issues. China or Russia have violated far more compared to Iran.
#15051196
JohnRawls wrote:
1) He can't because the dollars can be simply cut off from him.


2) When Russia uses social networks to sway opinion it is using Western institutions.

3) Same thing goes for finance or currencies. If needed we can simply cut countries off and ruin their economies or abilities. We just don't. This applies to many countries outside the West including China. What the US essentially did was exercise that ability.



1) Dollars are everywhere. There is nothing to stop Putin from acquiring them from a hundred different countries.

2) Of course.

3) We have sanctions on Russia already, most notably the Magnitsky Act. They don't work if our allies don't cooperate. Their interest in cooperating is diminishing. Sanctions also tend to weaken over time. This is why you never treat allies like shit, the way Trump does all the time.
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#15051201
JohnRawls wrote:The problem is that they did it for a relatively no reason issues. China or Russia have violated far more compared to Iran.


Iran is openly supporting several terrorist organisations with weapons and money.
The Iranian Government leaders are continuously plotting to annihilate Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Iranian operatives have been caught planning and executing terrorist atrocities in several European and Latin American countries.
@JohnRawls you repeatedly minimise the evilness of the Iranian regime.
#15051203
Ter wrote:'
@JohnRawls you repeatedly minimise the evilness of the Iranian regime.



Do you minimise the evil of the Saudi and the Israelis?

The correct answer is yes.

What we ought to be talking about is what a constructive policy for the region would look like. But that would not be easy, so it never happens.

A long time ago, Iran wasn't doing any of that, and then we shoved a dictator down their throat.

That worked out well, don't you think?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu47fIkIsY8&t=34s
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By Ter
#15051574
Over 700 banks burned in Iran unrest

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Approximately 731 banks and 140 government sites were torched in recent unrest in Iran, Interior Minister Abdolreza Rahmani Fazli said in remarks published by the official IRNA news agency on November 27.

More than 50 bases used by security forces were attacked and approximately 70 gas stations were also burned, he said, without specifying where the attacks took place.

According to IRNA, Rahmani Fazli also said up to 200,000 people took part nationwide in the unrest that began on Nov. 15 after the announcement of gasoline price hikes.

London-based Amnesty International said on November 25 that it had recorded at least 143 protesters killed in the protests, the worst anti-government unrest in Iran since authorities put down the “Green Revolution” demonstrations against election fraud in 2009.

Iran has rejected Amnesty's death toll. It says several people, including members of the security forces, were killed and more than 1,000 people arrested. The Center for Human Rights in Iran, a New York-based advocacy group, said the number of arrests was probably closer to 4,000.

The protests quickly turned political, with protesters calling on top leaders to step down. The government has blamed “thugs” linked to exiles and the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia for stirring up the street unrest.

The protests came as new U.S. sanctions imposed this year cut off nearly all of Iran's oil exports, and as similar protest movements erupted in Iraq and Lebanon against governments that include heavily armed pro-Iran factions.

https://www.daily-sun.com/post/442119/O ... ran-unrest

:excited:

The people are angry.
When are they going to learn that putting up taxes can cause the country to explode ?
Chile, Lebanon, France, Iran...
#15051637
Iraq is not Iran but the protests are related

Iraq's prime minister to resign after day of deadly violence

It comes a day after more than 40 protesters were killed by Iraqi security forces, and hours after the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, called for a change in leadership.

Al-Sistani also warned of civil war amid the violence in the country's southern provinces.

In a statement, Mr Abdul-Mahdi said: "In response to this call [from the Shiite cleric], and in order to facilitate it as quickly as possible, I will present to parliament a demand (to accept) my resignation from the leadership of the current government."

The announcement gave no indication of a specific time frame, but parliament is due to convene on Sunday.

Celebrations erupted in Baghdad's Tahrir Square after the announcement, where anti-government protesters have been camped out for almost two months.


https://news.sky.com/story/iraqs-prime- ... e-11873398
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