[Istanbuller]

Greece should let these people to enter Greece and reach its borders with other EU countries. They want to reach Western Europe.

Europe should take its fair share of refugees and migrant influx. These people are feeling a warzone. If Turkey loses Idlib, a couple of millions will come to the border.

Turkey hosts 4 million people now. They can be allocated into four and each country/region gets 1 million people. Russia, Turkey, EU and US should minimize effects of war throughout this way.

[noemon]

Mr Mitsotakis said Turkey was breaching a 2016 agreement with the EU on migration and “has systematically encouraged and assisted tens of thousands of refugees and migrants to illegally enter Greece. It has failed, and will continue to fail, should it continue to pursue this strategy”.

He added: “This is no longer a refugee problem. This is a blatant attempt by Turkey to use desperate people to promote its geopolitical agenda.”

[annatar1914]

[quote="noemon"][/quote]

Like I said, it's an act of war against Greece by the Turkish government, this must not be allowed to stand. Something must be done or Greece and Europe will cease to be Greece or Europe.

[Atlantis]

If Turkey loses Idlib, a couple of millions will come to the border.

Idlib doesn't belong to Turkey. You are occupying parts of Syria in violation of international law and there is not a single country in the whole wide world that will support Turkish aggression.

You have used the refugees and jihadists for Turkish expansionism. Europe doesn't have to support Turkish expansionism. You need to get the hell out of Syria and Libya and take care of the refugees and jihadists you have created.

Turkey is a tiny and insignificant wannabe empire and it was clear from the beginning that your imperialist overreach would end in tears. Now you get your just deserts.

You better hope that the EU doesn't turn off the economic tap and cut you out of the customs union.

[noemon]

Is anyone honestly surprised by this?

Noone is surprised to see Erdogan begging for help in Syria from Europe and Greece of all people!!! and when refused this help then launching a hybrid irredentist attack on them. Turkey has an open act of war against Greece, is openly claiming waters between Greek islands and the Greek mainland as Turkish and is proactivelty engaging in actions that further this expansionist agenda against Greece.

This is how this is being dealt with, as an act of war with military and naval mobilisation at high alert, plus due to the most recent events in Libya no one is surprised at all and hence the level of readiness.

[Vanasalus]

Meh.

I find your consistent avoidance of the elephant in the room funny.

The first point is: 1951 Geneva Convention on Refugees is the law of the land for all countries that signed mentioned convention. No national or bi-national or multinational treaties could circumvent the rights of the refugees or the responsibilities of the states dealing with refugees.

Though that is the case, EU and Turkey shamelessly, illegally and in cold blood made a deal on refugees in March, 2016. Here is the full text of the agreement:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... statement/

Second point is: Though Turkey has honored all the responsibilities imposed by this illegal and dishonorable agreement, EU countries has failed completely do so, i.e. Not a single responsibility bestowed upon EU countries by this treaty has been delivered.

Now Turkish government says it is withdrawing from 2016 eu-Turkey treaty.

Why?

Not because Erdogan suddenly realized the treaty he signed was illegal.

He is doing so to touch EU's nerves, infuriate them and thus push them to behave in a certain way in relation to Syrian civil war.

Third point is: You don't like Erdogan, not because of he is standing on a lower moral ground then yourselves. You don't like Erdogan , because he is as shameless, opportunistic and selfish as you Europeans. And, he speaks the language that you understand.

The bottom-line for my part is: The world order in current state fails, fails miserably indeed, in relation to Syrian civil war and similar wars ranging across the world. And, we, the ordinary people of this world, will pay incredibly high and painful price for this cascade of failures in our lifetimes.

Get used to it.

[anasawad]

If Europeans wanted the refugee flow to end, they'd stop boosting up the clerics in Iran who are the direct cause of the crisis in Syria.

Assad is a joke, he can't do anything; The main push for people to escape is due to the IRGC and its militias and dogs around the region committing ethnic cleansing and war crimes against civilians.

[Rugoz]

If Europeans wanted the refugee flow to end, they'd stop boosting up the clerics in Iran who are the direct cause of the crisis in Syria.

Assad is a joke, he can't do anything; The main push for people to escape is due to the IRGC and its militias and dogs around the region committing ethnic cleansing and war crimes against civilians.

"boosting the clerics"? Because Europe supports the nuclear deal like Turkey? Because Europe rejects US sanction against Iran like Turkey?

You're fighting Russia in Syria, don't expect the rest of the world to help you.

[Code Rood]

If Europeans wanted the refugee flow to end

Many of these people aren't refugees or don't even come from Syria. Many of these so-called refugees come from places like Pakistan and several African countries. And the vast majority of them are military aged men. But of course the lying mainstream media won't tell and show you these facts. This was the case in 2015, and this is the case now.

[Istanbuller]

Idlib doesn't belong to Turkey. You are occupying parts of Syria in violation of international law and there is not a single country in the whole wide world that will support Turkish aggression.

You have used the refugees and jihadists for Turkish expansionism. Europe doesn't have to support Turkish expansionism. You need to get the hell out of Syria and Libya and take care of the refugees and jihadists you have created.

Turkey is a tiny and insignificant wannabe empire and it was clear from the beginning that your imperialist overreach would end in tears. Now you get your just deserts.

You better hope that the EU doesn't turn off the economic tap and cut you out of the customs union.

Turkey has legal basis to intervene into Syria. There is a treaty between Syria and Turkey about Turkish intervention in cases of turmoils.

Turkey is the only legal force in Syria. Assad has no constitutional and legal basis.

You are going to be flooded with millions of refugees if you keep letting your Turkophobia going.

It will be much easier for refugees to enter Europe in summer. You can't stop them. Europe cannot escape from its fate.

[annatar1914]

Turkey has legal basis to intervene into Syria. There is a treaty between Syria and Turkey about Turkish intervention in cases of turmoils.

Bullshit. This is itself a ''turmoil'' that Turkey has itself helped to create.

Turkey is the only legal force in Syria. Assad has no constitutional and legal basis.

Syria's government is internationally recognized and wouldn't have lasted a minute if it didn't have the approval of the majority of Syria's citizens.

You are going to be flooded with millions of refugees if you keep letting your Turkophobia going.

Threats and violations of the sovereignty of neighbor nations does not lend itself to a cure for alleged ''Turkophobia'', what with a history of centuries of Turkish aggression and tyranny.

It will be much easier for refugees to enter Europe in summer. You can't stop them. Europe cannot escape from its fate.

''Cannot''? Turkey will not escape a hard fate if it doesn't stop going down the road that it is on, the road of destruction.

[Rugoz]

Turkey has legal basis to intervene into Syria. There is a treaty between Syria and Turkey about Turkish intervention in cases of turmoils.

Haha, what nonsense, but if that would be the case Assad should intervene in Turkey.

[Istanbuller]

So called "human right champion" EU supports dictator Assad and Russia against Turkey in Syria.

Turkey will just get stronger in terms in military power. How are you going to stop us? Why are you so much scared of us? We can see fear in your eyes. Both Russia and EU fears Turkey so much. You are terrified.

It is called Adana agreement. It was the legal basis for Turkey to intervene into SDF areas and it was again the legal basis for other parts of Syria Turkey interevened since Assad is colluding with SDF/PKK which are recognized as terrorist organizations.

[noemon]

Turkey will just get stronger in terms in military power. How are you going to stop us? Why are you so much scared of us? We can see fear in your eyes. Both Russia and EU fears Turkey so much. You are terrified.

Turkey is actively attacking both its neighbours(Syria & Russia on the one side and Greece & Europe on the other) and will self-destruct if it carries on that path. You need to be a special case to ignore the signs, but Europe has never been as united as now, European banks are pulling out of Turkey which means that you are well underway of being removed from the customs union and getting blocked from European trade, the US is ready to have you removed from NATO and Russia who sold you its military systems is trashing your military in Syria. Despite all that, you believe that with threats, aggression and a bazaar mentality you are going to change the tide that you have created all on your own when in fact it merely reinforces the reality that Turkey has totally gone off the rails.

If you don't cut your losses, you will be in for a rollercoaster ride. Your actions have advertised to the world that:

a) Turkey is not as powerful as Erdogan pretends and that it can barely manage a strip of land in Syria.
b) the desperation to blackmail those you paint as enemies to come to your aid further buttresses the actual level of Turkish weakness for the world to see.
c) and the fact that even that fails proves beyond any doubt that your government is not just incompetent but dangerously so.

[anasawad]

@Rugoz

You're fighting Russia in Syria, don't expect the rest of the world to help you.

Russia doesn't have any significant ground forces nor has any active spread all over the place, the forces fighting on the ground are the revolutionary guards and their proxies, while the Russians are playing support from the air and the backline.

Regarding the deal, sure, keep sticking to it. The deal comes with IRGC militias, and those militias comes with routine ethnic cleansing and wars which means more waves of refugees.
Good luck, we hope you enjoy the masses.


@Code Rood @Rugoz

Many of these people aren't refugees or don't even come from Syria. Many of these so-called refugees come from places like Pakistan and several African countries. And the vast majority of them are military aged men. But of course the lying mainstream media won't tell and show you these facts. This was the case in 2015, and this is the case now.

Also, on this point, the age.
The IRGC and its puppets will force people to fight or they'll simply be killed, imprisoned, or have their families harmed. I know there will a few retards trying to deny this fact, but let's all remember the whole war in Syria began because the regime tortured children to get to their parents. This means that the main and safest option for most guys above the age of 18 would be to escape the country so they can't attempt to recruit them.

Noting that this isn't limited to Syria, but also in areas in Iraq and Afghanistan, and most recently, in Al-Dahieh in Beirut.

[Code Rood]

@Code Rood @Rugoz

Also, on this point, the age.
The IRGC and its puppets will force people to fight or they'll simply be killed, imprisoned, or have their families harmed.

This means that the main and safest option for most guys above the age of 18 would be to escape the country so they can't attempt to recruit them.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Assad have won nothing
the people are scattered the army dont have cash or manpower its relying on donations from Iran and Russia
the country is destroyed hundreds of billions required for reconstruction who will give the money? none.
its just another of time before another war civil war will start

[noemon]

If Europeans wanted the refugee flow to end, they'd stop boosting up the clerics in Iran who are the direct cause of the crisis in Syria.

First of all, anasawad, if Europe or anyone else for that matter does not want people to cross its borders then she closes the borders and that is that. That is actually the only true answer to your "if". Second, Europe does not boost the clerics in Iran as others have told you already.

1) Why would Europe help Turkey in Syria, anasawad? with or without the threat of "the masses"?
2) Why would Europe succumb to Turkish blackmail? Wouldn't that destroy her own principles and permit everyone else to do the same?
3) Europe will not be flooded with "masses". The conditions are such, identity of ruling governments, support of public opinion, & coronavirus that this exercise is evidently futile. But even if say that she were, it would still not be good enough reason to budge with Turkey. Europe has integrated a lot more people that can be bargained with right now. This makes it a fool's errand.

[Code Rood]

Assad have won nothing
the people are scattered the army dont have cash or manpower its relying on donations from Iran and Russia
the country is destroyed hundreds of billions required for reconstruction who will give the money? none.
its just another of time before another war civil war will start

Doesn't that make you happy, as a Zionist? Having a weak and destabilized country as your neighbour? Sure, the donations from Iran and Russia might be a pain, but all things considered?

And as far as troubling migrants go, all you have to do is call your Jewish buddies in the West. That's how problems will be solved. Repairing the world, right? Isn't it called Tikkun Olam? Pretty sweet, isn't it? Here's hoping that Greeks are chasing away IsraAID and other organizations like that.

[anasawad]

@Code Rood
Yes, If you're missing, then they have nothing to target your family for the first while until they find you.
That's why the first waves are always men, then families follow. The men escape so they're not arrested, and they take their families along shortly after.

@noemon

First of all, anasawad, if Europe or anyone else for that matter does now want people to cross its borders then she closes the borders and that is that. That is actually the only true answer to your "if"

It can, but the PR image would be a disaster as we've already seen.

Second, Europe does not boost the clerics in Iran as others have told you already.

The only breathing room the regime has is through Europe and India.

1) Why would Europe help Turkey in Syria, anasawad? with or without the threat of "the masses"?

No need to help Turkey.
All Europe has to do to solve its problems is simply shut down its banks infront of IRGC militias and proxies(Most of Hash and Hezbollah's money goes through European banks and is saved there you know) along with corruption money from Iranian, Iraqi, and Lebanese officials and all these militias doing the ethnic cleansing and creating these waves of refugees would run dry.
No need to actually do much, not even return the money, just tell your banks not to run their money.
The war would die down pretty quickly, and Russia wont have much ground forces left to fight an offensive war and would have to retreat to its basis.

2) Why would Europe succumb to Turkish blackmail? Wouldn't that destroy her own principles and permit everyone else to do the same?

Turkey plays either a second or a third mover role, not a first mover in the region.

3) Europe will not be flooded with "masses". The conditions are such, identity of ruling governments, support of public opinion, & coronavirus that this exercise is evidently futile. But even if say that she were it would still not be good enough reason to budge with Turkey. Europe has integrated a lot more people that can be bargained with right now. This makes it a fool's errand.

Will not be? It already had, and it can be again.

There are already 10-15 million refugees displaced in the region, and the number will continue to grow as the situation flares up yet again now. Between the gulf states and these refugees, there is a sealed desert, and between them and Europe, there is Turkey.

The reason why Turkey does these moves, which should've been obvious after a couple of years, is because Turkey itself is overburdened and could lose control. Once the number grows too big, it'll simply open the borders and pass the burden to other countries, not because it wants to, but because there are no other options.