Donna wrote:Are you denying that black communities are over-policed? If so, you're a straight up racist arguing in bad faith.
Ten people were killed in Chicago last week--mostly black people killed by other black people. Do you really think that's evidence of over-policing? Do you really think people sincerely questioning the effectiveness of policing are just racist for doubting that overpolicing is a factor?
Donna wrote:The problem is structural racism, of which over-policing is an aspect of.
It's a problem, but not the problem. There is more than one problem.
Beren wrote:Vote for Biden then.
Yeah, because the Democrats are the answer for Minneapolis cops? Minneapolis has had a Democratic party mayor for 47 years. These places are run exclusively by Democrats. It's amazing to me that they have been so effective at blaming the problems of places run exclusively by Democrats on Republicans.
SpecialOlympian wrote:A several days long riot in a major city is not just a "small, local crime."
No. It isn't. The lack of law enforcement isn't helping in Minneapolis either. They seem to have abdicated enforcing the law.
Saeko wrote:If you're still concerned about the destruction of private property, ask the MPD where they all were during the riots.
Yeah, they pretty much cut and ran--allowing a precinct to be overrun and set on fire.
Julian658 wrote:The last thing the media wants is to eliminate poverty and racism.
Indeed. Suddenly, they are not too concerned with shelter-in-place and social distancing, which I find kind of amusing. I've been saying for weeks now that we would start to see violence with the government forcing working class people out of jobs. It seems we've finally seen the spark.
Saeko wrote:For those of you bitching and moaning about violence during protests, here's a video of police throwing tear gas grenades and shooting rubber bullets into a mass of people that is as still as can be:
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/gsu5fp
Denver's mayor is black and a Democrat. His son was cited for speeding 65 in a 40 mph zone and was recorded making homophobic slurs against the police and threatening their jobs. People aren't as upset as they would have you believe. They will vote for the same people again and again.
Godstud wrote:As evidenced in the video, the cops are shooting rubber bullets and using tear gas without having the provocation for it.
Indeed. They are under the authority of a Democratic mayor who is also black. Any identity politics or party affiliation comments? Or are you going to blame all this on Trump and the Republicans?
Unthinking Majority wrote:Small and insignificant local issue? It's causing nation-wide riots.
Working class people have been forced out of work
en masse by the establishment. The establishment can whip up trillions in relief bills, but cannot pass an trillion dollar infrastructure bill to save their lives. I think the frustration with the government is warranted.
Wat0n wrote:And it's definitely better than having people riot at will, going back to the LA riots there were far more deaths from civilians killing civilians than from law enforcement or military repression.
That's generally the case almost all the time.
Politics_Observer wrote:I personally lay the blame at Trump's feet for this whole mess.
Trump has never even been mayor of a city. Most major cities in the US (maybe San Diego is an exception) are run almost exclusively by the Democratic party and have been for a very long time. Minneapolis hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1973. There is nothing in Trump's leadership or lack thereof that makes a Minneapolis police officer put a knee on somebody's neck. If anything, Trump showed leadership in getting the First Step Act passed, and it wasn't something he even campaigned on. It was his friendship with Kanye West that brought it to his attention, and Trump worked with Tim Scott of South Carolina to get that legislation passed.
Politics_Observer wrote:Has Trump sought to represent ALL Americans or has he sought to only represent rich white Americans and racist whites? What has Trump done for the black community?
The First Step Act. It was pushed by the black community. Obama didn't listen to them, but Trump did.
Sivad wrote:Floyd died of covid.
That's pretty sardonic.
Did the autopsy report come back with anything? I'm assuming he died from the knee to his neck, and not swallowing a bag of meth or something.
Politics_Observer wrote:Asking for help from Trump is foolish because all he would do is make a big problem worse than what it already is.
It's a Democrat run city and a Democrat run state. I say let them deal with their own problems. Like you, they will blame virtually every problem they have on the Republican party, and the spineless loser Republicans will take that right on the chin as usual.
Deutschmania wrote:Could this be the start of the next American Revolution ?
It's certainly possible, but there isn't a cogent ideological alternative being presented. I think the police station burning shows a profound lack of faith in the mission of governance on the part of Democrats these days. In California, for example, they do not prosecute shop-lifting and used coronavirus as an excuse to empty prisons. Personally, I think prisons are absolutely brutal--not just the inmates, but the guards and wardens too. However, the prisoners running free generally just return to a life of crime and violence. Basically, the idealistic welfare state proponents see it as much more than buying the peace, but really thought they could produce substantial change, eliminate poverty, violence, etc. That has not materialized. I think there is a fundamental loss of confidence in the system.
Unthinking Majority wrote:And i'd be naive to think cops and courts treat black people exactly the same as whites.
It's more a class-based thing. Think the OJ trial. If you're well mannered, well dressed and well represented, your chances are far better than poor people who start swearing at the judge and the prosecutor, after being charged with something and resisting arrest or disorderly conduct on top of it. The white tweaker does not better than the black gang banger in a court. However, upper and middle class whites do not feign any sort of racial solidarity with poor whites. That's why the "white privilege" myth has traction. If upper and middle class whites were acquainted with poor white tweakers, they would know instinctively that the assertion isn't true. It's not about race. It's about class.
Unthinking Majority wrote:The oppressor (in this case, whites) is always to blame.
Well, the reason for making it a race issue is to deflect from the fact that this is yet another Democratic party jurisdiction with exclusive political control for nearly 50 years. You'll notice that the Democrats NEVER take responsibility for things that happen under their aegis. They always blame others, as they should in the most cynical exercise of power. It works. It's very effective at cementing their hold on power.
Unthinking Majority wrote:So while I acknowledge that white racists are responsible for creating much of the poverty that creates conditions for some of these things more likely to occur, black people also have to own their actions too.
White racists are generally poor too. They aren't the ones making the political and economic decisions that affect the underclass. It's the establishment that is making those decisions--and more than enough of those people are virtue-signaling Democrats.
watOn wrote:Right, but that's my point: A Governor must not allow things to deteriorate to that level.
Restating my comment to Deutschmania, there is a general lack of confidence in the establishment now--and there should be. They have been fucking up for 30+ years.
Saeko wrote:3) This same government historically has been and continues to be the cause of many of the social ills that black Americans face.
America has two sovereign-type entities: the federal government and the state governments. However, much of the actual governance is at the local level, which are municipal corporations, not sovereigns; or, state and federal agencies. In the instant case, we're dealing with a local urban government: the City of Minneapolis and its police agency.
Saeko wrote:5) This same government refuses to take even a lick of accountability for its own crimes. The only time it seems to do so is when it is threatened with a complete breakdown of the social order.
Why should they? It's not like the electorate is going to change who they vote for. The threat of a breakdown is how poor people exercise citizenship, because they do not know how to participate in politics. They routinely vote for the very people who do this to them, and never hold the politicians to account.
Saeko wrote:6) These protests/riots are the appropriate and rational response to the above conditions.
They are the understandable response. They are neither appropriate or rational--other than burning down a police precinct and smashing some police cars. Clearly, Target or Chicaco Lake Liquors had nothing to do with Floyd's death. That's just people taking advantage of the breakdown of law and order to help themselves to some merchant's property.
Donna wrote:We can also make an educated assumption that this has a ripple down effect in terms of gang violence and the socioeconomic pattern of crime rates.
That's the sort of reasoning that asserts that law is what causes crime.
Donna wrote:It's completely ludicrous that you would ask black people to "take responsibility for their own actions" when you have said absolutely nothing about how society might address systemic racism first.
What makes you so sure that officer Chauvin is a racist? Is it because he's white? Isn't it possible that he's just an A1 asshole?
Pants-of-dog wrote:If you want to know why riots are happening, the reason is super simple: the racist murderer is probably going to get away with it, just like almost every other time.
Why is that surprising to anyone? The voters never vote out the party that defends this sort of thing. Amy Klobuchar decided not to prosecute this very same person, officer Chauvin, and is being considered as a Vice Presidential candidate. At what point does the Democratic party get held accountable for the things that happen when its leaders are so dominantly in power in a city or state for so long? At what point do voters decide they've had enough of the free welfare money in exchange for brutality? I do not see any evidence that black people are ready to make any political change. This is just a frustration-aggression reponse.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, rioting is bad, but a police officer just cold bloodedly killed a man. Property damage does not even begin to compare.
Maybe in moral terms. I'm sure insurance adjusters can give you a dollar value for a human life.
maz wrote:CNN is under siege. Isn't think like the equivalent of an attack on a US Embassy or something?
Now that is an appropriate and rational response.
Wulfshilde wrote:Maybe some day. And once that day comes, we won't have things like Target anymore.
I think that day is coming sooner than you think. I'm inclined to think that people like Jeff Bezos probably spend money on "studies" of the cruelty of prosecuting shoplifters so that Amazon can one day control every retail sale in America.
Wulfshilde wrote:Most consumerism would need to happen over the internet, with goods delivered by armored car.
It may happen that way naturally, because online retailers won't have to charge a shrinkage premium. Whereas, local retailers must do just that.
Wulfshilde wrote:As for racism, if you look at the pictures, there are plenty of white AntiFA who drove down there in daddy's car to loot and burn shit. Shoot the too please
I saw that too. It would be a bit of poetic justice for some Antifa rioters to meet a violent end at the hands of law enforcement. Although, I suspect Antifa takes its direction from the DNC.
SpecialOlympian wrote:They did try to take responsibility for their own situation once. It was called the Black Panthers, and they were ruthlessly murdered by the FBI for doing things like providing children with breakfast, exercising their second amendment rights, providing oversight to the police in their neighborhood, and providing access to healthcare.
Same FBI that's trying to overthrow the POTUS to protect the establishment. That's why voters have to get a lot smarter.
SpecialOlympian wrote:It is one of the greatest injustices perpetrated by the FBI, second only to their framing of hero-patriot General Flynn.
It certainly illustrates the Deep State's desire to remain in control.
Wulfschilde wrote:Is this thread going to be about Flynn now? That would be funny. The judge wanted to charge him with perjury because of his coerced guilty plea having been false. Now the judge is lawyering up himself. This is clearly such a winning argument, which means you guys will be on about it for the next few years at least. Actually that's kind of sad.
Well, it's interesting because both cases are about the establishment and its disregard for the rule of law. The establishment is now squarely about power, but there are still a lot of really stupid people who believe the Democrats are good and the Republicans are bad and vice versa. They're two sides of the same coin--Janus.
Saeko wrote:You have suggested that the racial characteristics of the Jewish Mayor and African American Police Chief are the cause of "this kind of chaos".
Well, it's a statement of fact. You'll notice how many reflexively try to blame this on Donald Trump as if he had even the slightest bit of control over a Democrat run state and Democrat run city and its police force. The Democrat party is a fraud. Yet, it will continue with this sort of thing, because nobody challenges it.
Saeko wrote:So tell me how the hell any reasonable person is supposed to look at all this and draw any other conclusion than that you are a racist who is cheering for the deaths of black people?
Well, that's quite a leap in logic.
Wat0n wrote:It turns out that CNN shares the building with Atlanta's 5th precinct. CNN isn't quite what those protesters were after.
Aw bummer.
Motti wrote:Whatever the cause of death, this looks like a premeditated attempt to curtail liberties in the name of social order. According to some estimates, nearly 40 million Americans may lose their jobs by June-end and no one in power wants a horde of the unemployed asking too many questions about too many issues - from 9/11 to endless wars to COVID-19 - that have seen their standards of living drop.
Yeah, I've been expecting a violent uprising for a few weeks now. For what it's worth, Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck is how a lot of people have felt about the lockdown and how it has ruined their financial lives. Poor people do not have the resources to deal with something like that.
"We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
-- Joe Biden
I'm sure they were all over Twitter being like "free at last, I'm 1/16th black."
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