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The Norwegian Medicines Agency linked 13 deaths to the corona vaccine’s side effects. Those who died had two things in common – they were old and frail.

A total of 23 deaths have been reported in connection with the corona vaccination.

So far, 13 of these have been assessed.

“The reports might indicate that common side effects from mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have led to deaths in some frail patients,” chief physician Sigurd Hortemo in the Norwegian Medicines Agency noted.

https://norwaytoday.info/news/norwegian ... d-old/amp/

When the vaccine is as dangerous to the most susceptible demographic as the virus itself. Only way you're injecting me with an mRNA cocktail is over my dead body. I'm gonna have to go to Russia or China to get safely vaccinated. So much fail.
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Igor Antunov wrote:https://norwaytoday.info/news/norwegian-medicines-agency-links-13-deaths-to-vaccine-side-effects-those-who-died-were-frail-and-old/amp/

When the vaccine is as dangerous to the most susceptible demographic as the virus itself. Only way you're injecting me with an mRNA cocktail is over my dead body. I'm gonna have to go to Russia or China to get safely vaccinated. So much fail.


Okay out of how many people Igor? What is the percentage?

Are you shilling for China again and not happy that their vaccine is only 50% effective compared to Pfizer or Moderna who are around 95%? It sure feels that way.
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Igor Antunov wrote:
"might indicate"



I might indicate that this thread is dumb. A vaccine for a serious disease is going to have an impact. If you have one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel, it just might finish the job.

That doesn't change the fact that for nearly everyone, the vaccine is going to improve your odds, and it's how we get to herd immunity.

Personally, I wouldn't take either the Russian or Chinese vaccine until a number of questions about them have been answered.
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Igor Antunov wrote:The Norwegian Medicines Agency


Your article contains no evidence that the Norwegian Medicines Agency has done what is claimed.

The OP article is poorly written with no context whatsoever, in a cheap blog littered in ads.

Admin Notes: If you do not provide evidence within 24 hours(from the time of this message) that the Norwegian Medicines Agency has indeed done what your article claims it has done, your thread title will get a FAKE NEWS note along with your OP.
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noemon wrote:evidence

Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have so far been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

Bloomberg


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Beren wrote:What magical number would you prefer? 2335 would be good enough perhaps? :lol:


What's with the dickeheaded snark?

I just want more data. These things have to be put in a greater context. the number of administered vaccines overall is needed to make a judgement of how safe or unsafe the vaccine is. It's important to get data.

SaddamHuseinovic wrote:Vaccine is a weaker form of Virus and you can get sick but still better then to catch the real one


Technically the mRNA vaccine isn't a weaker form of the virus. It's not the virus at all. It's more like an instruction manual for how to fight the virus. More specifically, it's instructions on how to build the virus' spike protein. The spikes are what's on the outside (they look like crowns, hence the name corona virus). This is also why the vaccine is considered to be very effective against the new strains that are popping up, because that spike protein doesn't change much from strain to strain.

This might not be a 100% accurate description, but it's something like that.
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Instead of the sour-grapes Chinese propaganda regurgitated by @Igor Antunov, let's look at the original report from the Norwegian Medicine Agency:

Covid-19 vaccination associated with adverse drug reactions in elderly people who are frail

23 deaths associated with covid-19 vaccination of which 13 have been assessed. Common adverse reactions may have contributed to a severe course in elderly people who are frail.

Publisert: 15.01.2021

All reports of suspected adverse reactions with fatal outcome following vaccination are carefully assessed.

- The reports suggest that common adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients, says Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

The large studies on Comirnaty (BioNTec/Pfizer) did not include patients with unstable or acute illness - and included few participants over 85 years of age. In Norway we are now vaccinating the elderly and people in nursing homes with serious underlying diseases, therefore it is expected that deaths close to the time vaccination may occur. In Norway, an average of 400 people die each week in nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed. We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency and the National Institute of Public Health jointly assess all reports of suspected adverse reactions. As a result, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health has updated the covid-19 vaccination guide with more detailed advice on vaccinating the elderly who are frail.

As of 14 January, 23 reports of suspected deaths have been submitted to the Norwegian ADR health registry. The figures in the published report include the thirteen reports that have been assessed by the Norwegian Medicines Agency and the National Institute of Public Health. Several reports of suspected adverse reactions are received on a daily basis and are continuously assessed.
Reported suspected adverse reactions of covid-19 vaccines


In conclusion:

- Compared to other vaccines, the mRNA vaccine side-effects are relatively minor.
- Patients with acute disease cannot participate in vaccine trials.
- 400 people die each week at nursing homes in Norway.
- 23 deaths that occurred a few days after vaccination were examined.
- The deaths occurred in very frail patients above the age of 80 or 90.
- 13 of these patients did not die because of the vaccination, but the vaccination side-effects may have contributed to a fatal outcome.
- The chance of these very frail elderly patients to survive a Covid infection are near zero.
- Almost 20 million people have already been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines without significant side-effects.
- The Chinese vaccines can't be used in anybody above the age of 55.

The Chinese (and Igor) are sore because their vaccine is junk. That's why they try to undermine confidence in Western vaccines. Great way of feeding the antivaxxers, Igor.

If they don't want the 100 million doses of Biontech/Pfizer they have ordered, I know somebody who'll pay anything to get his hand on that delivery. :D
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Rugoz wrote:Why were they even vaccinated :roll:


Norwegian regulators have modified their advice to doctors:

Regulators are now leaving it up to each doctor to consider who should be vaccinated.

What we say is that if you have patients who are very frail, very sick, and they have a short remaining lifespan, you should do some extra evaluation of the appropriateness of vaccinating these patients,” Steinar Madsen, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, told Euronews.

He said the agency expected to see some deaths linked to vaccinations within nursing homes but noted that the fatalities were “very, very rare” and most had occurred in very frail people with severe pre-existing conditions.
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ingliz wrote:Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have so far been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

Bloomberg


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@noemon

Every week, 400 Norwegians die in elderly homes by the way. The fact that somebody is trying to link vaccine to those deaths feels like propaganda.
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JohnRawls wrote:@noemon

Every week, 400 Norwegians die in elderly homes by the way. The fact that somebody is trying to link vaccine to those deaths feels like propaganda.


Absolutely. Igor has already put up a new thread talking about essentially a continuation of this event. Chinese "Warring Wolf" propaganda campaign in action IMHO.
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Only 25.000 people got vaccinated in Norway. There are 23 casualties due to the vaccine. That means 1 in every 1.000 people died from German-US vaccine.

That is a dangerous figure. No one can bear that responsibility. That is the reason why vaccination slowed down in the US and Europe. Politicians just can't have the balls to admit it.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212939.shtml
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JohnRawls wrote:Every week, 400 Norwegians die in elderly homes by the way. The fact that somebody is trying to link vaccine to those deaths feels like propaganda.


It doesn't feel like propaganda, it is 1,000% propaganda.

Here is the distorted version of events from the Global Times, the official mouthpiece of the CCP.

Why were US media silent on Pfizer vaccine deaths?

This is a deliberate and gross distortion of the facts. I'll just quote one sentence:

This large-scale promotion of Pfizer's vaccine is a continuous process of large-scale testing on human beings.


After 20 years of developing the mRNA carrier technology, several successful phase 3 trials involving about 100k participants, and 20 million vaccinations, the Chinese propaganda machine considers Western vaccination "a large-scale testing on human beings." That is particularly rich since the Chinese started to vaccinate their population with vaccines that hadn't even passed phase 3 trials.

As much as I detest the perfidy of the Anglo Imperialists, the gratuitous viciousness of the Chinese wannabe Imperialists trying to torpedo the fight against the pandemic by spreading antivaxxer propaganda is unbearable.
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