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The Independent wrote:
China has said it will not recognise the British National Overseas (BNO) passport as a valid document for Hong Kong residents from Sunday, after the UK said it would allow it to be used as a route to British citizenship.

The announcement from Beijing is the latest in a series of moves – including a strict new national security law passed in June last year – to exercise tighter control over the former British colony, which was returned to China in 1997 on a promise that its autonomy would be maintained.

The British government had responded to the crackdown on Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement by offering up to 3 million holders of BNO passports a new path to full UK citizenship, within six years, if they leave the city to settle in Britain.

Britain said on Friday that it expected around 300,000 Hong Kongers to take up the offer, and that the changes would be in place from Sunday. But China has pushed back against the plan.

China’s foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian on Friday said that his country will “no longer recognise the so-called BNO passport as a travel document and proof of identity starting from 31 January, and reserves the right to take further measures.”

“The British side’s attempt to turn a large number of Hong Kong people into second-class British citizens has completely changed the nature of the two sides’ original understanding of BNO. This move seriously infringes on China’s sovereignty, grossly interferes in Hong Kong affairs and China’s internal affairs, and seriously violates international law and the basic norms of international relations,” Mr Zhao told reporters.

It remains uncertain how China’s announcement will affect Britain’s offer, but it is likely to make it harder for BNO passport-holding Hong Kongers to fly to the UK in the first place. The UK foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, has previously said there is little Britain can do if China decides to prevent citizens from travelling.

Britain and China have repeatedly clashed over the issue of Hong Kong, with the UK questioning whether Beijing is in breach of its international obligations under the 1997 handover treaty. When asked about the UK citizenship rule changes on Thursday, Mr Zhao said that China “has repeatedly stated its position on this issue”.


“The British side, in breach of its promise, has chosen to obstinately and repeatedly hype up the BNO passport issue to interfere in Hong Kong affairs and China’s internal affairs. This will only end up hurting its own interests.”

Mr Zhao said he “would like to reiterate our confidence in the promising future of Hong Kong”.


“No forces under whatever circumstances can erode the determination of the Chinese government and the Chinese people to uphold national sovereignty and security, safeguard Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability, and oppose external intervention,” he said.
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Most of us have two anyways so this is of no use. No one will be so stupid to use that inside their places anyways.

BN(O) is for us to enter more civilized places, as we fully believe they will revoke recognition of the SAR passport sooner or later.

If the Chinese were serious they should arrest anybody trying to bring theirs along as having "fraud documents".

But in reality they won't. They are just eager to have their own spoiled oligarches replace the people here anyways.

Either way the ethnic cleansing will succeed. The difference is how it's done and whether it's accepted as an end-game scenario.

BRING IT ON, BABY!
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Independent wrote:Britain has a duty to protect the people of Hong Kong

Editorial: China no longer recognises British national overseas passports. Our government must de-escalate diplomatic hostilities and establish the rights and status of those in the territory

If the people of Hong Kong do not wish to be Chinese citizens, they will be in limbo

UK visas for holders of British national overseas passports in Hong Kong will be available from Sunday. The policy was designed to deter China from further infringement of the human rights of people in the special administrative region.

It has not worked. In militant mood, Beijing will no longer recognise the BNO passport as a valid travel document or form of identification. People from Hong Kong can apply for a visa to live and work in Britain for a period of some years, with the possibility of a path to British citizenship in future. The offer of a UK visa is in effect the right to refuge, which exists in international and British law in any case, as a universal human right. The visa is not equivalent to full British citizenship with the unlimited right of entry and right of abode.

The net effect of these moves is to leave many in Hong Kong almost stateless. The rights and status they have enjoyed since 1997 when the colony was returned, rightly, to China have now been abolished by the Chinese government. The British government, however, has not fully protected them. If they do not wish to be Chinese citizens many of them will have nowhere to turn. Their BNO passports have been torn up, but they will not get British passports. It is, for them, the end of a way of life.

The right thing to do would be to offer them British citizenship. That, however, is fraught with problems. The Chinese authorities are under no obligation (at least in their own minds) to recognise that status, and they can stop them trying to leave. Even if the Chinese government relented, and allowed the BNO Hong Kongers to go, the UK might find ways not to take them: they do have the right to apply to come to Britain, but Britain is not obliged to grant it.

Politically, too, it is difficult to see the government honouring even its present visa policy, let alone a more comprehensive offer of full citizenship. Brexit, after all, was for many voters about reducing immigration from anywhere, whether that made logical sense or not. The current estimate is that 300,000 visas might be granted, but the upper limit of the government’s impact assessment was 1 million, though this seems highly improbable.

In practice, migration might be on a far smaller scale; no one can know how conditions in Hong Kong will evolve in the coming years and decades. What seems certain in the short term is that China is impatient and intolerant towards territories it regards as sovereign. It is threatening war over Taiwan, effectively separate and democratic since 1949, and protected by American guarantees. Nor does the Chinese government even acknowledge the persecution of the Uighur Muslim people and the Tibetans.

Each of these are huge issues on their own, and serious threats to peace and regional stability. The best that can be practically done for Hong Kong by the British government, aside from the usual objections at the United Nations, is to de-escalate the diplomatic hostilities and try once again to regularise the proper rights and status of the people of Hong Kong.


Allies such as the US and EU can help in this, too, but thus far China has proven unyielding. Any attempt at rapprochement will need to take place in the full understanding that what Beijing fears above all is a fracturing of the state sponsored by foreign interference. As a medium-sized European power, Britain is in no position to try to threaten China.
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If the British government cared about Hong Kongers at all - beyond using them as a tool to periodically annoy China and pretend to still be a global empire - they would have given them full British passports years ago.

Everyone - except, apparently, the pro-westerners in Hong Kong - knows this fight is just theatre. It's actually quite cruel to keep raising their hopes like this when there's only going to be one winner. :lol:
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Rugoz wrote:Communist countries have a long history of preventing their own people from leaving. By force if necessary. Nothing new under the sun.

Communism is the most insecure movement on Earth, which is why it will lock up or murder anyone who merely questions it. Even in Vietnam you can be locked up for 30 years just for writing an article covering any alternative in a positive light.
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Heisenberg wrote:Everyone - except, apparently, the pro-westerners in Hong Kong - knows this fight is just theatre.


I will assume myself as one of the "pro-westerners in Hong Kong", but I have no such illusion. The "everyone" thing has ZERO exception. Our place just happen to have more influence on the West and MSM than places like, say, Palestine.

The fact is actually very simple: What we want is have the right to live decently, and China wants the exact opposite, considering this to be a threat to their unjustified desire to control everything in their reach (in part due to their insecurity ingrained in their genes).

What we really need is punishment* to the wrongdoers and means to prevent such things to happen in the future.

Whatever country giving us asylum does NOT solve the problem, if you know what I mean.

* Whoever handing out the punishment DOES NOT NEED TO SHARE our belief, and it is WRONG to think we actually believe anybody doing that INTENDS to do so. We are crystal clear of who, say, Donald Trump or Mike Pompeo is, and the same applies to the likes of Biden. I personally think the accusation against Biden and his administration for being pro-China should not be taken as the accused' intention. It's at worst a technical inevitability.

P.S. This is also the reason that I had no intention to post this article myself, because most opinions of PoFo'ers are well known. But I appreciate noemon's effort to put this up for debate.
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Rebirth wrote:Communism is the most insecure movement on Earth, which is why it will lock up or murder anyone who merely questions it. Even in Vietnam you can be locked up for 30 years just for writing an article covering any alternative in a positive light.


That's one thing, but shooting the people who try to escape like East Germany did is particularly hideous.

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