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KABUL (Pajhwok): Local sources claim nine districts in Takhar, Balkh, Logar, Samangan, Kuduz and Jawzjan provinces have fallen to the Taliban in the past 24 hours.

Hazar Somch, Chal, KhawajaGhar, YangiQala, Chaharboluk, Kharwar, Dara-e-SufBala, DashatArchi, Faizabad and Khanaqa are districts falling to the Taliban in the past 24 hours.

Takhar

A well-placed security source told Pajhwok Afghan News that the Taliban captured HazarSomch, Chal, KhawajaGhar and YangiQala districts in the past 24 hours.

“These districts faced huge security threat from the past few days and the Taliban last night finally captured them,” according to the source.

But Governor Spokesperson Hamid Mubarez said these districts had not fallen to the Taliban but heavy fighting was underway between security forces and the rebels.

Taliban spokesperson ZabihullahMujahid claimed the fighters had captured NamakAb, Chal, YangiQala, KhawajaGhar and HazarSmoch districts in the past 24 hours.

Balkh

Local sources in northern Balkh province confirmed that ChaharBoluk district had fallen into the hands of the Taliban after 48 hours of siege.

Haji Shah Mohammad, local elder, told Pajhwok Afghan News the Taliban captured district centre and police station without fighting while tens of security personnel surrendered to the Taliban.

ChaharBoluk District Chief Atta Mohammad Sharifyar confirmed that some security personnel had surrendered to the Taliban but he did not talk about the fall of district.

The Taliban claimed a large number of security personnel had surrendered, huge quantity of arms and other equipment were seized after the capturing of the district.

Logar

A well-placed source in central Logar province told Pajhwok Afghan News that the Taliban overran the Kharwar district on Saturday night.

But the Governor Spokesperson DidarLawang said due to some security issues the district centre of Kharwar had been shifted to Pul-i-Alam the provincial capital three years back.

“Only four small military bases stationed in the KhawajaAngor locality have been transferred to new locations,” he said.

But Mujahid claimed that Kharwar district was in the Taliban control.

Samangan

Some sources in northern Samangan province confirmed the fall of Dara-i-Suf Bala District to the Taliban this morning.

Deputy Head of the Samangan Provincial Council said security forces and the Taliban were engaged in heavy fighting from Saturday night and finally the rebels captured the district.

Police spokesperson MunirRahimi that security forces vacated the district centre and retreated to the Zerkai area.

The Taliban spokesperson also claimed Dara-i-Suf Bala district had been captured by the fighters.

Kunduz

In Kunduz, a well-placed security source confirmed the fall of Dasht-i-Archi district to the Taliban on Sunday afternoon.

District Chief Akhtar Mohammad said the Taliban completely captured the district.

The Taliban also claimed capturing Dasht-i-Archi district.

Faryab

Maimana, the capital of northwestern Fryab province, is facing security threat from the Taliban.

According to sources, after the fall of five Faryab districts — Almar, Qaisar, KhawajaZabz Posh, SherinTagab and Dawlatabad — Maimana was facing massive threat.

Provincial Council Member Mohammad Nader Saeedi said security forces on Saturday night vacated some vital military bases in Almar, Qaisar, Pashtonkot and Abgardan areas.

Police Spokesperson Abdul KarimYouresh assured the people of Faryab that Maimana will never fall to the Taliban.

Jawzjan

Local sources have confirmed that Faizabad and Khanaqa districts in northern Jawzan province had fallen to the Taliban after heavy fighting.

Wolesi Jirga Member HaleemaSadaf confirmed to Pajhwok the two districts had fallen to the Taliban on Sunday evening.

https://pajhwok.com/2021/06/20/9-distri ... s-sources/

Seem like a country-wide Taliban offensive is underway. Map is a month old, situation looked dire even then, taliban is white, puppet government red.

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Even here you can tell they're just cutting links to the center and isolating the Kabul held territories before taking them one by one.
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Make that ~40 districts, 80% of the country is now in the Hands of the Pashtuns.

One thing to come off this pathetic American loss in yet another conflict is that the Taliban have reformed somewhat. They are now accepting other tribes into their movement, no longer Pashtun exclusive. They are now stronger and more unified than before. :lol:
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Potemkin wrote:...So when do we declare victory? Or have we done that already? :eh:

Allow me do declare the victors:


Lockheed Martin, come on down! You're the next contestant on the Price is Right!
**Lockheed Martin wins the 30 trillion dollar showcase against Karim from San Diego**

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Boeing, you have inherited 20 trillion dollars from your comatose Uncle Sam's estate!!

General Dynamics, congratulations. You have won the Publisher's Sweepstakes Grand Prize of 10 trillion dollars!
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'When all you have is a hammer, ... .'

The United States of America, from the end of WW II up to the present day, has held the hammer of military might. That has been one of the major, if not the primary, factors in determining the 'world order' for 75 years. That world order is passing. A new one is slowly emerging, and it is as yet something seen through a glass, darkly.

The US attempt to replace the political and tribal structures in Afghanistan with a democracy in which nationalism takes pride of place has ended. Afghanistan will become whatever the people of Afghanistan accept. [Ed.: Please note 'accept' as opposed to 'want'.] Theirs is, and has been, a culture in which religion and tribal affiliation, including fealty to 'strongmen', determines the structure of government.

Meanwhile, there's a grim lesson for the US federal government -- that is, the people who sit in the highest seats of government -- to learn, if they are capable of doing so. That lesson is that tribalism and religion are strong anti-democratic forces within the United States itself. One need look no further than the people who attend the rallies of Mr. Donald Trump. The relationship between those gatherings and old-time revival meetings should not be lost on even the most casual observer.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
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Torus34 wrote:'When all you have is a hammer, ... .'

The United States of America, from the end of WW II up to the present day, has held the hammer of military might. That has been one of the major, if not the primary, factors in determining the 'world order' for 75 years. That world order is passing. A new one is slowly emerging, and it is as yet something seen through a glass, darkly.

Asymmetric warfare will destroy America's hegemony. That particular writing has been on the wall since Vietnam, and Afghanistan has merely underlined the lesson. America's longest war - against weak, disorganised ragtag tribal forces - ends in ignominious failure....

The US attempt to replace the political and tribal structures in Afghanistan with a democracy in which nationalism takes pride of place has ended. Afghanistan will become whatever the people of Afghanistan accept. [Ed.: Please note 'accept' as opposed to 'want'.] Theirs is, and has been, a culture in which religion and tribal affiliation, including fealty to 'strongmen', determines the structure of government.

Just because there is a region on the map filled in with a particular pastel shade and labelled "Afghanistan" does not necessarily mean that there is an actual functioning nation-state there. You may as well write "Here Be Dragons" instead of "Afghanistan" - it would be just as truthful.

Meanwhile, there's a grim lesson for the US federal government -- that is, the people who sit in the highest seats of government -- to learn, if they are capable of doing so. That lesson is that tribalism and religion are strong anti-democratic forces within the United States itself. One need look no further than the people who attend the rallies of Mr. Donald Trump. The relationship between those gatherings and old-time revival meetings should not be lost on even the most casual observer.

Tribalism is anti-democratic precisely because it is a zero-sum game. For my tribe to gain anything, your tribe must lose something. This means internecine warfare, and it means the inevitable failure of any attempt at "nation-building", and it certainly means the preordained failure of any attempt to create a functioning democracy. Democracy can only exist in a social context which is not a zero-sum game. Both sides must feel they can win before anything resembling democracy can possibly function. American politics, needless to say, is becoming increasingly tribal in its nature....

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Likewise. :)
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Hi, Potemkin!

Thank you for your comments!

I'd not thought of the zero sum characteristics of tribalism. A valuable insight.

I'll think about that for sure. Responses such as yours are the primary reason I post on forums such as this one.

Regards.
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Taliban insurgents have continued to make rapid territorial gains in Afghanistan as the United States said its last remaining troops are expected to withdraw from the conflict-torn country by the end of August.

Multiple Afghan sources said Saturday the Taliban had pressured pro-government forces to retreat from at least a dozen districts in northeastern Badakhshan and Takhar border provinces in the past 24 hours. Pro-government forces in many areas are said to be surrendering and abandoning territory without offering any resistance to the Taliban.

More than 300 Afghan border troops escaped the fighting in Badakhshan by fleeing into neighboring Tajikistan, according to the official media of the neighboring Central Asian state.

The Afghan personnel were allowed to enter the Tajik territory “in line with the principles of humanity and good neighborliness,” the report added. Last week, intense clashes with Taliban fighters also prompted scores of Afghan soldiers to flee into Tajikistan.

The latest Taliban advances reportedly have brought the insurgents to the gates of Faizabad, the capital of Badakhshan. A video circulating on Afghan social media Saturday night showed panicked provincial officials boarding a plane along with their families and fleeing the city. VOA could not immediately confirm authenticity of the footage.

https://www.voanews.com/south-central-a ... ting-rages

Less a Soviet withdrawal more of a Vietnam withdrawal it seems.

The Taliban have captured more 100 districts since early May.




the Taliban has captured a staggering 700 trucks and Humvees from the Afghan security forces as well as dozens of armored vehicles and artillery systems.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienr ... ban-hands/
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Igor Antunov wrote:So the Taliban have captured most of the former northern alliance warlord independent territories, i.e the territories they could not even capture when they held power in Kabul. They have emerged bigger and stronger than before the American invasion. Pathetic outcome.

Yes, but even if Afghanistan reverts to how it was in 2000, a lot of energetic people have developed their skill sets, and a lot of entrepreneurs have made a bundle of easy money.

Like most Modern Wars, it was about **getting the hot trophy bride, the Ferrari, and the mansion with multiple pools.**

I guess thousands of people don't mind dying so that "the few" can have these kinds of things.
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Igor Antunov wrote:So the Taliban have captured most of the former northern alliance warlord independent territories, i.e the territories they could not even capture when they held power in Kabul. They have emerged bigger and stronger than before the American invasion. Pathetic outcome.


Afghan politics is tribal and "invasion" of Afghanistan has always been the US buying up the tribes and fighting specifically those who were affiliated with Osama basically which was a small minority. After that the US started interfering in local politics and agenda which caused the situation to worsen so the US paid even more money and managed to keep the peace that way with sort of mostly bribes and military force. Now that the the US is gone, this means that nobody is paying bribes so the tribes don't have to allighn itself with the central government and can do whatever they want.

This Taliban advance is basically the tribes switching their stance from bribed allies of central government to neutral or enemies basically. The same story that happened after the Soviet withdrawal basically.
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Istanbuller wrote:This was the expected result. Taliban has public support whereas foreign-backed government has no public support. Plus, Taliban people are brutal.


Taliban doesn't really have public support, Afghanistan is a Tribal society. Taliban can just promise stuff out of its ass and look the other way, for now at least until the Taliban alliance collapses in a couple of years. That was the historic situation in Afghanistan over a long period of time when it was not under somebodies temporary occupation.
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I read up on the taliban and what makes them so suitable for afghan overlordship is obvious-they don't even have an organized form of governance, no formal taxation system, no record keeping etc. No paid bureaucracy at all. They will go into a town for example, defeat any security forces and eliminate them, from that point they will just exist as everyday residents occasionally enforcing religious/social practices or criminal and civil disputes via tribal courts. The court will consist of a meeting at some random guys house with a Taliban representative there to mediate. They don't even bother running services or utilities-any existing people qualified for the task are given wads of physical cash to continue doing that work. The system is entirely decentralized and entirely disorganized outside of keeping the peace and religious norms in place. Any foreign policy is mild to non existent outside of setting up ad hoc trade delegations with foreign powers. Probably why it works so readily in such a territory.
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