Potemkin wrote:In reality, of course, it's neither.
Clearly civil society was flourishing under Stalin, how could we think otherwise?
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Potemkin wrote:In reality, of course, it's neither.
Rancid wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YYmS7NL3Po
JohnRawls wrote:
What do you think about Chinese "reforms"?
JohnRawls wrote:Cultural Revolution 2.0
Fasces wrote:The Cultural Revolution was a bottom-up affair, led by supporters of Mao. A more direct analogue would be January 6th and the MAGA movement.
These social reforms are widely ignored and widely unpopular. They are a bunch of old men in Beijing saying a bunch of nonsense and people half-heartedly enforcing it in cities, and always to the letter, but not the spirit, of the law. They do it for a week, submit their reports, and the matter is quietly dropped.
Training schools still exist. Male students still dress femme. Kiddos still play hours of video games. The internet still shows these tv programs with banned actresses (I think my girlfriend's favorite soap opera was unavailable for a day and a half before the streaming service brought it back), and Douyin is still full of LGBT stuff.
It's generic conservative virtue signaling, essentially. People in China roll their eyes and move on - at least in cities, I can't speak as to what happens in conservative rural villages.
In any case, it appears the thread has moved on anyway to generic typical doom and gloom predictions. Economists may have predicted 54 of the last 8 recessions, but they have nothing on the 'China will crash any day now...' crowd.
Fasces wrote:The Cultural revolution was a coup led by Mao against the leadership of the CCP and other elites or organizations who were trying to force him out.
You really know close to nothing about Chinese history, @JohnRawls.
Fasces wrote:Who's pretending? Did you even read? Even Trump has a few guys on his side in government on January 6th. It was still a bottom-up movement against the CCP, much like the MAGA movement within the GOP.
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Fasces wrote:No. Just like the January 6th movement was also instigated by Trump. Yes, Mao had loyalists in key positions in government. So did Trump.
The entire government was reorganized in 1966. The Cultural revolution was a successful MAGA uprising. None of what you said contradicts that fact.
The current Xi program is not.
Fasces wrote:Yes, he did. The Trump campaign directly donated money to facilitate groups moving into DC. Trump deliberately delayed the response by the National Guard.
Trump's chief difference is that US institutions and division of power didn't enable a complete government takeover, and he didn't have enough loyalists in the military structure, unlike Mao. Ultimately, thats basically it.
Fasces wrote:The only thing that this current reform movement has in common with the Cultural revolution is that it's happening in China.
The reason for those loyalists was pressure from the bottom, mate. The Red Guard existed outside the traditional CCP and PLA structure. They were not government entities, they were a Mao-run personality cullt that he and certain supporters wielded against the CCP and government.
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