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According to Chinese maps, the Muscovite Far Eastern (outer Manchuria and Siberia) colonies belong China, and official history books in China state that "Siberia is a temporarily lost territory of the Celestial Empire."



terrible news for putin´s ulus and its poodles ))

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Igor Antunov wrote:Did you confuse china with the rebel island of taiwan again?

ivan you are wrong again
"China might want the globe to match the reality. In fact, Beijing could use Russia's own strategy: hand out passports to sympathizers in contested areas, then move in militarily to "protect its citizens." The Kremlin has tried that in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and most recently the Crimea, all formally part of other post-Soviet states, but controlled by Moscow. And if Beijing chose to take Siberia by force, the only way Moscow could stop would be using nuclear weapons.

....fear that this economic integration would reduce Russia, especially Siberia, to a raw materials exporter beholden to Greater China 8) . And as the Chinese learned from the humiliation of 1860, facts on the ground can become lines on the map."
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2 ... im-siberia
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ThirdTerm wrote:
This is the historical map of the Qing dynasty (1644–1912) founded by the Manchus, who lived in the northeastern part of the Ming territory outside the Great Wall.

Ivan you are lying , you can find many maps in this article
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Two years ago, the Chinese media reported that Merkel presented John Dover's 1844 map. There she is:
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great to see Moscow´s lovers shocked and frustrated , more facts :

China’s ‘friendship’ must bother Putin

In 1969, China gained quite a few islands on Siberia's Ussuri river. Now, it has already started claiming the entire Siberia as its territory



Late last month, Russia and China renewed their friendship treaty for a further five years. Comrade Putin appears to be making a dangerous mistake by ignoring the potential threat from China. He was only 17 when the Soviet Union fought a seven-month mini-war across the Ussuri river, which is located in Russia’s Siberia (Sleeping Land). How big was Beijing’s ambition one does not know, but the Soviets had to convey an implicit nuclear threat to the aggressor. To save face, Mao Zedong, through his Premier Zhou en Lai, threatened a “People’s War”, which meant that hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers would swarm Soviet tanks as they had done with the Americans in the Korean War in 1951-52. The Chinese leader’s belief of convenience was the superiority of man over machine. The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) did demonstrate its idea of warfare on one of the islands on the Ussuri by ambushing Soviet soldiers.



In the end, China gained quite a few islands on the river, which were a loss for the Soviet Union. Logically, more conflict lies ahead. China is a much bigger nuclear power than it was in 1969. Its ambitions have grown and, by current indications, it wishes to become a superpower. We have to remember that Siberia is over 13 million sq km with a sparse population, whereas China is bubbling with people but is short of arable land. Incidentally, the Yellow Giant gained several hundred islands in the midst of not only the Ussuri but also the Amur and Argun rivers. This gain by China and loss by the USSR were after decades of harrowing negotiations which ended in 2004....

More Sino-Russia conflicts could open up in the coming days. China has a number of ambiguous regions along its Russian border, much like the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and McMohan line with India.


Moreover, Moscow is apprehensive of Chinese investments in the Russian Far-East. This sparsely populated Russian territory boasts of abundant natural resources, and traditionally looks at it as vulnerable to Chinese influence or even colonialization.

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2021/colum ... putin.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50185006
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Moscow Losing Siberia to China, Commentator Says

The willingness of Russian officials to rent land in the Transbaikal region to China (see EDM, June 24) gives Beijing control over a choke point that it could use to block Moscow’s access to the Moscow Far East. And as Russian commentator Oleg Lusenko further argues, given the decay and depopulation of the region, this situation can lead to Beijing taking control over a territory equal in size to that of China itself...China is the key to control of all of Siberia. Namely, through here pass the two most important transportation arteries that feed all of Western Siberia, the Far East and Kamchatka. By controlling them,” he writes, “China completely controls a region whose area is comparable with its own territory....

China is the key to control of all of Siberia. Namely, through here pass the two most important transportation arteries that feed all of Western Siberia, the Far East and Kamchatka. By controlling them,” he writes, “China completely controls a region whose area is comparable with its own territory.


https://jamestown.org/moscow-losing-sib ... ator-says/
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Fuck dude.

For the map first. As Member Third Term said, it's the boundary of the Manchu dynasty, and Han Chinese control NEVER reached those area before then. (unlike Xinjiang, which they did get access over 2000 years ago)

Second, China is an equally totalitarian and rogue, if not more so, country and race than Russia.

Third, Russia is probably the MOST important cause of China being so backward and reactionary

Fourth, China is now only too happy to use Russia to fuck the West (and vice versa is also true)

Conclusion: BOTH need to be crushed. Trying to advertise one of them in order to pooh-pooh on the other is a NO-NO to me. GET REAL.
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Patrickov wrote:Fuck dude.

For the map first. As Member Third Term said, it's the boundary of the Manchu dynasty, and Han Chinese control NEVER reached those area before then. (unlike Xinjiang, which they did get access over 2000 years ago)

Second, China is an equally totalitarian and rogue, if not more so, country and race than Russia.

Third, Russia is probably the MOST important cause of China being so backward and reactionary

Fourth, China is now only too happy to use Russia to fuck the West (and vice versa is also true)

Conclusion: BOTH need to be crushed. Trying to advertise one of them in order to pooh-pooh on the other is a NO-NO to me. GET REAL.

both these "states" are uluses - the mongol empires, the difference the hans are cowards they always prefer to use soft-power, meanwhile Muscovite are stupid and poor, they have only hard-power and relay only on it historically .

Putin, heir to the Mongol Grand Khans

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According to scholar Tjundeshev, Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood. China, India and Turkey also descend from the Tatars. For him, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them." Russia’s isolationism is also Tatar in nature. Foreigners are seen as enemies. Telegram, the instant messaging service, has been blocked.


Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from).

Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader.

The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity.


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litwin wrote:the difference the hans are cowards they always prefer to use soft-power...


Come to Hong Kong and see what has happened before saying this.
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litwin wrote:HK is part of China unfortunately , the commie hans do much worst to Uighurs , still its part of China ...


Neither HK nor East Turkestan are entitled to be Chinese territory, with the former ruled (very well!) by the British for over 150 years, and the latter frequently (although not constantly) out of China's control. On a side note, Russia's loss of Ukraine, Caucasian mountains and Central Asia is pretty much a proof that sovereignty is NOT absolute.

I actually think both cases are worse than Russia's aggressions because the country in concern treat the people within its borders worse than those outside.

People in Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines and India will also testify that China is not using soft-power at all.

Still, I agree with you that Russia is being blatantly aggressive both to its neighbours as well as its own dissidents.

I just want to remind you that China (the Pekingese) is as bad as Russia (the Muscovites) if not more, and currently they are the Axis of Evil. Together.
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Patrickov wrote:Neither HK nor East Turkestan are entitled to be Chinese territory, with the former ruled (very well!) by the British for over 150 years, and the latter frequently (although not constantly) out of China's control. On a side note, Russia's loss of Ukraine, Caucasian mountains and Central Asia is pretty much a proof that sovereignty is NOT absolute.

I actually think both cases are worse than Russia's aggressions because the country in concern treat the people within its borders worse than those outside.

People in Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines and India will also testify that China is not using soft-power at all.

Still, I agree with you that Russia is being blatantly aggressive both to its neighbours as well as its own dissidents.

I just want to remind you that China (the Pekingese) is as bad as Russia (the Muscovites) if not more, and currently they are the Axis of Evil. Together.


well , I spoke about UN recognized borders , but I do 100% agree with you Tibet, HK , East Turkestan, etc have never been part of Han empire , which is only 100 years old . whats is interesting, Muscovites are just minority in their empire , much like them were 100 years ago
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@litwin

I would go even further than that and declare that no one can claim anywhere forever. Even if there IS a thousand-year Reich, when they outlive their eligibility they gotta go or yield.

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