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JohnRawls wrote:You just don't understand. Trade surplus doesn't work how you think it is. Trade surplus is not even the total surplus or negative of traded money in a classical sense. Then you have capital flows and so on.

Since I have tried 5 times now, the long story short here is that negative trade balance is not a bad thing be it in economic sense or political or social.

It is you who do not understand. In all cases, "Made in China" is a reality. Spare production is the lifeblood of a healthy economy. China does it. Chinese companies do it. West cannot do it. Western copanies cannot do it.

You don't get more slices from the pie since you don't have spare production.
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Istanbuller wrote:It is you who do not understand. In all cases, "Made in China" is a reality. Spare production is the lifeblood of a healthy economy. China does it. Chinese companies do it. West cannot do it. Western copanies cannot do it.

You don't get more slices from the pie since you don't have spare production.


If all people in Turkey think that development of the economy and wellbeing of the people is based on cheap manufacturing by using cheap labour then I really pity the future for Turkey. It is much more complicated then that. You can have artificial competitiveness through cheap labour, undervalued currency and so on but this is fake competitiveness that will eventually disappear as the salaries and so on rise.

Many countries have massive export surpluses but that doesn't really make you rich.

Just to make it simpler for you, here is a map of countries of their total trade surplus or negative from 1980 to 2010 put together. There is no real correlation between prosperity and simply a trade surplus. By your logic US should be a failed state by now with a 7+ Trillion deficit in 30 years or something.

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Putin rather means to talk, but only if there's no funny stuff.

AP News wrote:MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday accused the U.S. and its allies of ignoring Russia’s top security demands but said Moscow is willing to talk more to ease tensions over Ukraine.

The comments were his first on the standoff in more than a month and suggested a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine may not be imminent and that at least one more round of diplomacy is likely.

Yet the two sides remain unyielding in their main positions, and there was little apparent hope for concessions. Russia is expected to respond soon to a U.S. proposal for negotiations on lesser Russian demands after which Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken will speak.

Lavrov and Blinken spoke Tuesday and reiterated positions put forward by Putin and President Joe Biden. The White House said Biden and Putin could also speak once the U.S. receives Russia’s response.

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To me it seems that the US basically agreed to practically excluding Ukraine's NATO membership.

The Moscow Times wrote:U.S., NATO Offer Security Dialogue in Leaked Response to Russia

Updated: 8 hours ago

The United States and NATO have offered to discuss disarmament and confidence-building measures with Russia in confidential written responses to Moscow’s security demands, Spain’s El Pais newspaper reported Wednesday, citing leaked copies of the documents it obtained.

The U.S. and NATO formally rejected Russia’s core demands to close the door to Ukraine’s membership in the Western military alliance and sign its proposed bilateral treaty on European security, the publication said. They urged Russia to de-escalate its military build-up near Ukrainian borders to begin dialogue.

Two sets of documents published on the El Pais website listed a series of security issues that the U.S. and NATO are willing to discuss with Russia. An unnamed Russian diplomatic source confirmed the text’s authenticity to the state-run RIA Novosti news agency.

El Pais said the main difference between the U.S. and NATO texts is in Washington’s willingness to discuss the principle of “indivisibility of security — and our respective interpretations of that concept.” Russia has cited the principle in its opposition to Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO.

Citing unnamed “allied sources,” El Pais reported that Russia has asked the U.S. and NATO to “unify their responses” and force the military bloc to agree to discuss “indivisibility of security.”

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has stressed that European countries have reaffirmed in past summits their “obligation” not to strengthen their security “at the expense of” the security of other states.

"We believe it is necessary to immediately clarify this issue, as it will determine the prospects for future dialogue,” Lavrov said in a letter to U.S. and European diplomats published Tuesday.

According to El Pais, the U.S. and NATO’s proposed areas of negotiation with Russia include:

– “conditions-based reciprocal transparency measures” where Russia and the U.S. would agree not to deploy offensive ground-launched missile systems and troops in Ukraine.

– arms control for ground-based intermediate and shorter-range missiles and their launchers.

– arms control for U.S. and Russian nuclear weapons, including “non-strategic nuclear weapons.”

– a “transparency mechanism” to verify the absence of Tomahawk cruise missiles at NATO bases in Romania and Bulgaria, which Moscow fears could reach Russian territory. In return, the U.S. seeks reciprocal access to two ground-launched missile bases of its choosing within Russia.

Russian lawmaker Vladimir Dzhabarov called the leak of the U.S. and NATO responses “striking in its shamelessness and irresponsibility,” RIA Novosti reported Wednesday.

The Kremlin declined to comment on the texts published by El Pais and denied leaking them to the newspaper.
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