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#15227247
Wels wrote:A 'liberated' city looks a bit different, don't you think so.
As i heard Aovstal is still under siege, i wonder why when it is in russian hands.
But we saw that one russian desinformation obviously does not know what another campaign had just said, so a bit of confusion on the russian side is understandable.


Azovstal is only one small part of Mariupol which is about to be liberated.
#15227249
Beren wrote:Containment of NATO ✔️


Containment by Erdogan :D

So, on 17th July South Ossetia is becoming a part of Russian Federation.

What a political Earthquake did NATO do to Europe.
#15227251
Beren wrote:Is he really your last hope? :lol:

He's just a pimp, or a horse-dealer.


Oh, no, not my hope...It's just funny how he punctures the NATO warmongering balloon :D

But, let's wait...he is just a too big master of the game, to skip this chance to gain something for Turkey.
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#15227252
Independent_Srpska wrote:he is just a too big master of the game, to skip this chance to gain something for Turkey.

Sure, that's what the Turkic believe in a lot, opportunism! :excited:
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Maybe one real reason for the five russian subs to leave Sevastopol:

"Israel granted Estonia's request to transfer one Blue Spear 5G SSM missile system to Ukraine. The Blue Spear Missile System is a precision weapon that can strike out of line of sight against mobile and stationary targets at sea. One such complex is enough to sink the entire Russian fleet in the Black Sea. The maximum range of the missile is 290-300 km."

Appx. the distance Odessa-Sevastopol. but 290-300 km are the official numbers.
It might also be able to strike ships already when they leave Sevastopol, from russian warships to wheat stealer merchants.
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Independent_Srpska wrote:Tomorrow Russia cuts supplying Finland with electrical energy.

Yep, and no problem. Finnland only gets 10 percent of its electrical energy from Russia, and Sweden has overproduction which will instantly chime in this night. Finnland planned to be autark in 2023 anyway.
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#15227270
Danish TV2News Wrote:

Quote:
"Phase three of the war has begun - and it's with Ukraine on the offensive

ANALYSIS: The war is at a very crucial stage. [...]
As readers of these analyses will be aware, the war in Ukraine has so far proceeded in two phases.

The first phase was the Russian attempt to conquer all of Ukraine, capture Kyiv and depose the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky. That phase ended with the stinging Russian defeats around Kyiv and in the strategically important towns of Chernihiv and Sumy in early April.

Phase two, which I called Plan B in last week's analysis, was the Russian attempt to "liberate" the entire Donbas, hold on to the conquests in southern Ukraine between Mariupol and Kherson, and probably gradually strangle Ukraine as a viable state over a number of years.

That phase has almost lasted four weeks, and it has not come close to delivering on the Russian objectives either. Nor will it.

The war is now in a smooth transition to phase three. What is new about phase three is that it will no longer be Russia that defines the objectives. In phase three, Ukraine will have the initiative.

Phase three will define Russian defeat. If Russia is going to make a Plan C, it will be on how Russia can minimize defeat and humiliation

Take note of Kharkiv

Phase three actually began just under two weeks ago, when Ukrainian forces began their counter-attack on the Russians around Kharkiv, the country's second largest city with about 1.5 million inhabitants. Kharkiv is located just 40 kilometres south of the border with Russia, and Russian forces have been trying to capture it since the early days of the war.

As we know, they have not succeeded. Now the Russian units have collapsed and are being chased back to Russia. In several places, the Ukrainians have reached the Russian border

In addition to the offensive to the north, Ukrainian forces have attacked to the east. Here they have reached the important railway line which, from the Russian garrison town of Belgorod, is the main supply line to the front in the northern Donbas near the town of Izium. If the Ukrainians have not already destroyed the railway, they will soon.

This will seriously deteriorate the supply situation for Russian forces in the northern Donbas between Izium and Severodonetsk. Russia can continue to divert the supply line to the railway further east. However, it will be a major detour from Belgorod.

At the same time, the Ukrainians are likely to try to push the front further east so that they can hit the very hub of the railway network at the town of Kupyansk north of Izium. If that happens, Russia will no longer be able to supply the forces in the northern Donbas via the rail network.

The Russian response to the Ukrainian threat to the supply lines came at the beginning of this week. Russia withdrew forces north from Izium to Kupyansk. This eases pressure from Russia at Izium. In recent days, the fronts in that area have been quiet.

Continued fierce fighting further east

Despite Ukraine's counter-attack and what I am already taking the liberty of calling phase three, Russian forces seem to be continuing in phase two in some places. This is particularly true near one of the largest cities in the Ukrainian part of the Donbas, Severodonetsk.

Here, the Russians have apparently succeeded in capturing the large suburb of Rubizne, which has been fought over for several weeks.

Russian forces are now at Severodonetsk, where we are likely to see heavy fighting. It is the last town controlled by Ukraine in the northern Donbas east of the Donets River.

The Donets River in particular has in many other places drawn Ukraine to the west. They have done so to use it as a defensive line. In doing so, they have inflicted significant losses on the Russians as they try to cross the river, including over 30 T72 tanks and armoured vehicles in an attack on Wednesday.

It is clear, therefore, that Russia has not yet given up on its land grab. We are likely to continue to see heavy fighting in some places for another week or two. After that, Russia is unlikely to have the fighting strength to continue attacks.

Their losses of troops and materiel are so extensive, and their ability to resupply and reinforce is so limited, that we will see units breaking up.

Putin has not yet read the writing on the wall

Putin's very subdued - almost boastful - speech on 9 May suggests that at least some realities are dawning on him. That is why he chose not to expand the war in Ukraine. It is doubtful, however, that Putin has realised that there is also a mismatch between Plan B and Russia's military capabilities.

The May 9 speech revolved around Donbas, and the continuing attacks in the region suggest that Putin has not yet read the writing on the wall.

The irony is that the longer it takes for Putin and the General Staff to realise that this is an unrealistic project, the better chance the Ukrainians will have in phase three. If Russia continues in phase two instead of making a plan C - a plan for defeat - the risk of a bully pulpit grows as Ukraine expands their offensive.

A further sign of Putin's continuing failure to recognise reality came this week when US National Intelligence Director Avril Haines outlined in the Senate that Putin is seeking a years-long war. The warning from Haines is based on intelligence about Putin's intentions. Haines did not talk about capabilities, and it is here that we find the great mismatch."
#15227279
Wels wrote:Yep, and no problem. Finnland only gets 10 percent of its electrical energy from Russia, and Sweden has overproduction which will instantly chime in this night. Finnland planned to be autark in 2023 anyway.


Yeah, no big deal. The only importance is in total Russian divorce from Europe. Russia will find other markets, Finland and the rest of NATO subjugated Europe countries will find new suppliers

Danish TV2News Wrote:

Quote:
"Phase three of the war has begun - and it's with Ukraine on the offensive


Yeah, yeah already No.3...it became kind of boring this chest thumping mantra by western propaganda.
#15227283
Wels wrote:Danish TV2News Wrote:

Quote:
"Phase three of the war has begun - and it's with Ukraine on the offensive

ANALYSIS: The war is at a very crucial stage. [...]
As readers of these analyses will be aware, the war in Ukraine has so far proceeded in two phases.

The first phase was the Russian attempt to conquer all of Ukraine, capture Kyiv and depose the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky. That phase ended with the stinging Russian defeats around Kyiv and in the strategically important towns of Chernihiv and Sumy in early April.

Phase two, which I called Plan B in last week's analysis, was the Russian attempt to "liberate" the entire Donbas, hold on to the conquests in southern Ukraine between Mariupol and Kherson, and probably gradually strangle Ukraine as a viable state over a number of years.

That phase has almost lasted four weeks, and it has not come close to delivering on the Russian objectives either. Nor will it.

The war is now in a smooth transition to phase three. What is new about phase three is that it will no longer be Russia that defines the objectives. In phase three, Ukraine will have the initiative.

Phase three will define Russian defeat. If Russia is going to make a Plan C, it will be on how Russia can minimize defeat and humiliation

Take note of Kharkiv

Phase three actually began just under two weeks ago, when Ukrainian forces began their counter-attack on the Russians around Kharkiv, the country's second largest city with about 1.5 million inhabitants. Kharkiv is located just 40 kilometres south of the border with Russia, and Russian forces have been trying to capture it since the early days of the war.

As we know, they have not succeeded. Now the Russian units have collapsed and are being chased back to Russia. In several places, the Ukrainians have reached the Russian border

In addition to the offensive to the north, Ukrainian forces have attacked to the east. Here they have reached the important railway line which, from the Russian garrison town of Belgorod, is the main supply line to the front in the northern Donbas near the town of Izium. If the Ukrainians have not already destroyed the railway, they will soon.

This will seriously deteriorate the supply situation for Russian forces in the northern Donbas between Izium and Severodonetsk. Russia can continue to divert the supply line to the railway further east. However, it will be a major detour from Belgorod.

At the same time, the Ukrainians are likely to try to push the front further east so that they can hit the very hub of the railway network at the town of Kupyansk north of Izium. If that happens, Russia will no longer be able to supply the forces in the northern Donbas via the rail network.

The Russian response to the Ukrainian threat to the supply lines came at the beginning of this week. Russia withdrew forces north from Izium to Kupyansk. This eases pressure from Russia at Izium. In recent days, the fronts in that area have been quiet.

Continued fierce fighting further east

Despite Ukraine's counter-attack and what I am already taking the liberty of calling phase three, Russian forces seem to be continuing in phase two in some places. This is particularly true near one of the largest cities in the Ukrainian part of the Donbas, Severodonetsk.

Here, the Russians have apparently succeeded in capturing the large suburb of Rubizne, which has been fought over for several weeks.

Russian forces are now at Severodonetsk, where we are likely to see heavy fighting. It is the last town controlled by Ukraine in the northern Donbas east of the Donets River.

The Donets River in particular has in many other places drawn Ukraine to the west. They have done so to use it as a defensive line. In doing so, they have inflicted significant losses on the Russians as they try to cross the river, including over 30 T72 tanks and armoured vehicles in an attack on Wednesday.

It is clear, therefore, that Russia has not yet given up on its land grab. We are likely to continue to see heavy fighting in some places for another week or two. After that, Russia is unlikely to have the fighting strength to continue attacks.

Their losses of troops and materiel are so extensive, and their ability to resupply and reinforce is so limited, that we will see units breaking up.

Putin has not yet read the writing on the wall

Putin's very subdued - almost boastful - speech on 9 May suggests that at least some realities are dawning on him. That is why he chose not to expand the war in Ukraine. It is doubtful, however, that Putin has realised that there is also a mismatch between Plan B and Russia's military capabilities.

The May 9 speech revolved around Donbas, and the continuing attacks in the region suggest that Putin has not yet read the writing on the wall.

The irony is that the longer it takes for Putin and the General Staff to realise that this is an unrealistic project, the better chance the Ukrainians will have in phase three. If Russia continues in phase two instead of making a plan C - a plan for defeat - the risk of a bully pulpit grows as Ukraine expands their offensive.

A further sign of Putin's continuing failure to recognise reality came this week when US National Intelligence Director Avril Haines outlined in the Senate that Putin is seeking a years-long war. The warning from Haines is based on intelligence about Putin's intentions. Haines did not talk about capabilities, and it is here that we find the great mismatch."


Ukraine doesn't have the forces yet but in june at some point it will. May be early July.
#15227337
Good morning, good people of PoFo.
It's time to start relaxing relations in the world.
Macron advised Zelensky to calm down and make concession in the east with Putin, to finish this madness.

We need Germany and France to form a counterweight to UK-USA mad dogs.


WORLD

Noam Chomsky Says Ukraine Desire for Heavy Weapons Is 'Western Propaganda'

BY DANYA HAJJAJI ON 5/13/22 AT 11:43 AM EDT


https://www.newsweek.com/noam-chomsky-s ... da-1706473
#15227346
Beren wrote:The Polish said nasty things about Russia and the Russian world while suggesting Russia pay indemnity to Ukraine, so the State Duma proposed to put Poland in line for denazification.

They should also propose to put their nuclear arsenal in higher readiness, as Putin publicly ordered the military to do so when some NATO leaders happened to say bad things about Russia.

Looks like Putin is on a one-man mission to rid the world of the scourge of Nazism once and for all. Stalin was supposed to have already done the job in 1945, but apparently he missed a bit. And it spread. Or something. Anyhoo, godspeed, President Putin! YPA!! :D :up:
#15227347
Potemkin wrote:Looks like Putin is on a one-man mission to rid the world of the scourge of Nazism once and for all.

His denazification is like Polish antisemitism, he doesn't need actual Nazis for it. In his terminology Nazi merely means enemy.
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