[BlutoSays]

Yup bloat exists. It'ss fairly universal.

But this ranting and shouting at people "work harder" is pretty much the dumbest form of project management, the "death March" (all too common). If your a talented coder why stay to work under a regime like this? They have options and they will take them. Coders are prickly lot and they will not stay to work under a regime that has no respect for people, Coders thrive when work is 'fun'.

Bad management (and this is very bad management) drives the employees who have options out, mostly the best ones. You want to keep good people work smarter not harder. Coders will put in big hours for things they believe in , in a good work environment, they often will even if not required. But medieval whip cracking is just dumb way manage coders. They will not respond well to this treatment, They actually start working less, I man you want an antipathetic uncaring workforce who putts in the absolute minimum this is how you get it.

Musk is conduction operations that only the most spinless , least creative, people with no good employment prospects elsewhere will actually stay long term.
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First of all, it's not a regime. It's management. More of this will be coming to Silicon Valley as the economy takes a shit and it already is.

Bad management? If you have half the workforce surfing the internet all day and taking care of personal business and not furthering the product, then that has to stop.

He and his auditors already uncovered that the BOTs were artifically borking the numbers. Those are actually lies. Then the shadow banning and all the other bullshit. That's called deception.

There's bad management, but there's also bad employees and those that work to jack up the overhead to fill seats. I've seen that first hand in government contracting and it also happens in the private sector.

Finally, how can you be creative with social media? Seriously. It's basically opinionating all day. In other words, it's a middleman. BTW, I'll bet there's very little coding going on, and that's what he's uncovering.

As much as you hate middlemen jacking up prices, Silicon Valley is where much of it happens. It's like google's whole model. They're so hated for it, they changed their name to Alphabet. Facebook rebranded to Meta. You think that's by accident or because of reputation? You hate insurance companies and consider them middlemen. You hate "banksters" and consider them middlemen. But an employee in Silicon Vally who has realistically 2-3 hours a week of work, and stretches it into 40 hours, as long as they continue social media soft politics and shut down dissent, it is like god-emperor to you. I'll never understand it.

If a person buys a car and 10% is the cost of paying social media middlemen, don't you think that would turn some consumers off? I'm very glad he's culling the herd. And yes, it's my selfish side too, which says "you've been dirty dealing for quite a while" for the left, and now it's their turn. Snowflakes gonna melt. You know about lights-out manufacturing, right?

In short:

[SpecialOlympian]

Your brain is truly melted if you think Twitter is "the left" lmao.

[BlutoSays]

This is stupid though. Writing code in it is only like 20-30% of the work. If you fire everyone else then you don't have an IT Company but bunch of indie developers of something.

I don't write code for example but I am an IT architect. So I consult developers on how to write, what rules to follow, what technology to use, what is the architecture to use, where to put stuff, participate in analysis, how it is connected to the whole econsystem of different systems, make sure the product is good and so on. But I don't write code since I am in a way senior position from the technological standpoint. I don't write code but I do manage all of technology and is responsible for all the non-functional requirements whatever they might be. And even functional to some degree during analysis.

And there are plenty positions on levels below me lets say that are equal to developers, for example administrators of environments, applications, support tools and so on. All those people don't write code but they maintain or deploy something or monitor and so on.

You can survive without people that don't code only if you are an indie developer of several people. Once the systems get complicated, larger and larger then you start to understand that the infrastructure from software to hardware needs technological management. Then you grow even larger and larger so you need now people who can manage development from the technological standpoint. Then you grow some more and you start understanding that just building same paterns or random paters also doesn't work since the software, econsystems and re-writing starts to become impossible so you start managing all technologies and create a bridge between business side of things to the technological side of things through architects. Then you grow again and such hard subject start to come up as technological debt, migration of systems to new platforms or version upgrades.

If you have just developers who write code then you are going to be fucked depending on how complicated your software is or how you ecosystem of different microservices or different systems is.

But you kind of admit it...."or deploy something or monitor and so on."

There are a lot of people making bank by just existing and putting up a facade. Not just evil bankers and the "rich", but a lot of other people. It's high time for a killing frost.

I know. It sounds really evil. But people relish it all day when it comes to one group of people, but want their own interests protected.

[BlutoSays]

Your brain is truly melted if you think Twitter is "the left" lmao.

Not anymore, they're not.

[pugsville]

First of all, it's not a regime. It's management. More of this will be coming to Silicon Valley as the economy takes a shit and it already is.

Bad management? If you have half the workforce surfing the internet all day and taking care of personal business and not furthering the product, then that has to stop.

He and his auditors already uncovered that the BOTs were artifically borking the numbers. Those are actually lies. Then the shadow banning and all the other bullshit. That's called deception.

There's bad management, but there's also bad employees and those that work to jack up the overhead to fill seats. I've seen that first hand in government contracting and it also happens in the private sector.

Finally, how can you be creative with social media? Seriously. It's basically opinionating all day. In other words, it's a middleman. BTW, I'll bet there's very little coding going on, and that's what he's uncovering.

As much as you hate middlemen jacking up prices, Silicon Valley is where much of it happens. It's like google's whole model. They're so hated for it, they changed their name to Alphabet. Facebook rebranded to Meta. You think that's by accident or because of reputation? You hate insurance companies and consider them middlemen. You hate "banksters" and consider them middlemen. But an employee in Silicon Vally who has realistically 2-3 hours a week of work, and stretches it into 40 hours, as long as they continue social media soft politics and shut down dissent, it is like god-emperor to you. I'll never understand it.

If a person buys a car and 10% is the cost of paying social media middlemen, don't you think that would turn some consumers off? I'm very glad he's culling the herd. And yes, it's my selfish side too, which says "you've been dirty dealing for quite a while" for the left, and now it's their turn. Snowflakes gonna melt. You know about lights-out manufacturing, right?

In short:

you avoiding what I was actually talking about and here is bunch of irrelevance and assumption about workplaces which generally isnt true,'

Yelling "work harder" demanding long hours is the most crude , primitive and dumb version of project management. Musk clearly does not respect his employees. Those with good project elsewhere WILL take them and that will be the most talented.

Writing code is writing code weather it's for social media, NASA or computer games creativity is part of doing it well.

Musk is conducting a massive cull of employees based on near total ignorance of the business, sacked half the employees after being there what a week, it's pretty crude management,. Then he announces that people have to work harder (not that actually knows how hard any of them are working now) , his attitude is one of total disrespect for his workforce. Like you he;s making a lot of assumptions based on zero knowledge.

Work long hours isn't a long term sustainable strategy for productivity. It's Dumb management.

Musk is taking a lot of arbitrary and shallow measures of a employees worth. A lot of work in software project is NOT coding. Probably only 10% of the team should be writing 90% of the code. yeah back in the days when we were all cowboys a few coders saw project through and it was mostly about the code. The environment is much more complex now. Especially anything that's gotta function in the online world. A vast amount of different platforms and engines running the code, security, manage large codes bases. project management testing. A lot of them require non coding skills. The best manager I ever had was non coder, did not have a engineering background, but knew how to run a project'


Twitter had three main assets, user base, brand, people. Mucj is well on teh way to trashes all three in mere weeks. This is up there with Liz Truss level of incompetence.

[Rich]

Yup bloat exists. It'ss fairly universal.

But this ranting and shouting at people "work harder" is pretty much the dumbest form of project management, the "death March" (all too common). If your a talented coder why stay to work under a regime like this? They have options and they will take them. Coders are prickly lot and they will not stay to work under a regime that has no respect for people, Coders thrive when work is 'fun'.

Bad management (and this is very bad management) drives the employees who have options out, mostly the best ones. You want to keep good people work smarter not harder. Coders will put in big hours for things they believe in , in a good work environment, they often will even if not required. But medieval whip cracking is just dumb way manage coders. They will not respond well to this treatment, They actually start working less, I man you want an antipathetic uncaring workforce who putts in the absolute minimum this is how you get it.

Musk is conduction operations that only the most spinless , least creative, people with no good employment prospects elsewhere will actually stay long term.
'

Yeah and lets remember Twitter uses a lot of Scala. Scala programmers are in high demand. I must confess I've never used Finagle or any of the Twitter technology stack. Its been my intention for ages to get to grips with HTTP4s rather than Finagle.

[JohnRawls]

Elon fucked up hard by successfully driving away advertisers, the people who maintain Twitter's infrastructure, and anyone who knows what they're doing.

Not only is the $1 billion per year in interest that Elon has to pay for the takeover greater than Twitter's previous net earnings of $600 million, the source of that income has been chased away. When Omnicom, one of the biggest ad firms out there is telling its clients (including Apple and McDonald's) that they recommend pausing spending at Twitter because it's a toxic dumpster fire that's not a good sign. It looks even worse when the executives who work with ad buyers are fired, and then your main guy who's in charge of clamping down on hate speech and such on the platform quits it's even worse. And he should have quit a long time ago anyway, he was doing a shit job at it.

It's gonna be real funny when Twitter gets sued by Germany for violating their Holocaust denial laws because Elon keeps posting memes from PepeHonkler1488 and the guy whose job would have been to tell Elon about those laws was fired.



Elon fired a bunch of people based purely on the quantity of code they created. Which, apparently, means he fired a fuckton of people who do very important stuff like security.

It owns that Elon's management strategy was to come in and say (stealing this here): "You'll work twice as hard without remote work for the same pay to help me make a platform filled with nazis" and that somehow wasn't appealing to Twitter staff.

He also fired administrators in mass as I understand, the people who actually maintain the infrastructure and the app. That is a really fucking bad idea. From 0 to 10 of bad this would rate around 9 on that scale. The reason is simple, if something breaks then you won't be able to fix it fast and the app will be down long if you fire the wrong admin/devops guy. I am not talking even about them finding out why it happened and how to prevent it in the future.

And if you think that developer might be able to theoretically fix it then you would be right sort of just it would take 60 times longer. It is the same as asking devops/admin to write code. Theoretically he can learn and do it but it will take 60 times longer. IT is not that simple anymore that you won't have specialists for different things.

[SpecialOlympian]

you avoiding what I was actually talking about and here is bunch of irrelevance and assumption about workplaces which generally isnt true,'

No, Bluto was pretty on point. You were the fool for engaging with him in honest discussion, but Bluto covered the only things he posts about:

• Punishing the left for imagined slights
• Being generally angry and hoping everyone else is punished too

[Fasces]

I'm looking forward to an interview a year from now where Musk claims he killed Twitter on purpose.

[JohnRawls]

I'm looking forward to an interview a year from now where Musk claims he killed Twitter on purpose.

I mean, Twitter will be alive a year from today but in what state it will be is very hard to tell. I doubt it will die. You need to define what death of twitter actually is.

[BlutoSays]

He also fired administrators in mass as I understand, the people who actually maintain the infrastructure and the app. That is a really fucking bad idea. From 0 to 10 of bad this would rate around 9 on that scale. The reason is simple, if something breaks then you won't be able to fix it fast and the app will be down long if you fire the wrong admin/devops guy. I am not talking even about them finding out why it happened and how to prevent it in the future.

And if you think that developer might be able to theoretically fix it then you would be right sort of just it would take 60 times longer. It is the same as asking devops/admin to write code. Theoretically he can learn and do it but it will take 60 times longer. IT is not that simple anymore that you won't have specialists for different things.

How would you know? Do you have inside knowledge as to how the company is performing and who was fired?

Maybe he has some data and expertise from what he has seen that you don't.

[BlutoSays]

I mean, Twitter will be alive a year from today but in what state it will be is very hard to tell. I doubt it will die. You need to define what death of twitter actually is.

Well shit, David Hogg said he was going to challenge Mike Lindell (the Pillow Guy) because Hogg didn't like Trump. Ra ra ra around David!!!

Then two months later when it was no longer a sexy story, what happened? Seriously, some people are all talk. We have people stacked to the rafters with idiots like Greta Thunberg and others that the left gets all googly-eyed over. I mean WTF!

[JohnRawls]

How would you know? Do you have inside knowledge as to how the company is performing and who was fired?

Maybe he has some data and expertise from what he has seen that you don't.

It is in the news that he fired around 50% of devops/administrators who upkeep the infrastructure and software.

No clue about your 2nd post what you are trying to say.

[pugsville]

How would you know? Do you have inside knowledge as to how the company is performing and who was fired?

Maybe he has some data and expertise from what he has seen that you don't.

After all of five minutes to evaluate people , Musk is operating pretty much in dark as an outsider.

This was not a considered rational decision making.

[SpecialOlympian]

I'm looking forward to an interview a year from now where Musk claims he killed Twitter on purpose.

South African voice: I knew flushing $44 billion down the drain and losing the Saudis billions of dollars would be le troll most epic.

[SpecialOlympian]

Also Musk apparently revoked everyone's card access to all of their offices then the people in charge of that were fired and or/quit. So I'm guessing at this point Elon has to personally let everyone into every office.

They shut down card access because they fired the people who would normally be in charge of tracking who actually works there. So they had no way to figure out who should and shouldn’t have access.

I’m perfectly happy to let Bluto claim this debacle of managerial incompetence as some right wing victory as I have never considered Twitter’s existence to contribute meaningfully to the human experience in any way before or after Elon’s purchase. Frankly, this part of Blutosay's insane ramblings makes me laugh, really hard:

There are a lot of people making bank by just existing and putting up a facade. Not just evil bankers and the "rich", but a lot of other people. It's high time for a killing frost.

Here, Bluto means the brilliant, self-made billionaires will come in and cull the lazy workers who have slacked off for too long. When in reality, Elon Musk was called on a series of bluffs that started because he was stupid enough to list his Twitter account as an official source of corporate communication for all of his businesses. After doing this, he decided to do stupid shit like say "I'm taking Tesla private at $420 lol" (which cost him $40 million in SEC fines) while shitposting Bluto level Reddit memes.

Elon came in and singlehandedly crippled the company in two weeks, but Bluto sees him as the hero being wronged by the lazy workers because Elon bellows, "I am the capital class, and I am deserving of respect for owning things! My newly acquired business will no longer be enslaved by your labor, work twice the hours for the same pay to help me platform nazis or leave!"

Just think about that. Bluto sees the workers of the company built by their labor as the ones leeching and lazing their way through life (even if that labor ultimately produces something pointless and stupid). But Elon? He's a genius, and not one of the most transparent bullshit hucksters ever to live who was born onto a pile of emeralds harvested by slaves.


Pictured: The "Protoype" for the Telsa Optimus Model Robot


Pictured: Elon demonstrates the Tesla Truck's indestructible glass windows

It is the most pathetic, bootlicking shit I have ever seen. Elon must be worshipped because Twitter is the Left, and no purpose exists in life but to fight the left on every front for eternity for entirely imagined slights. Absolutely spineless, bootlicking brainwormed to hell shit.

Frankly the best possible positive outcome for Elon's purchase of Twitter is America realizing that billionaires aren't just policy failures, but that they shouldn't exist as they contribute nothing to society. Allowing these mental defects to own anything only fucks everyone else over.

[Godstud]

Pictured: Elon demonstrates the Tesla Truck's indestructible glass windows

That wasn't Elon Musk. Nice try.

Elon bought Twitter because it will make him money. Period.

[Patrickov]

Elon bought Twitter because he believed it will make him money. Period.

With all due respect I'd like to add the bolded part in the middle.

He's only an existence in the Universe, after all.

[SpecialOlympian]

He bought Tesla because it would have cost him a billion not too. He should have burned the billion.

That wasn't Elon Musk. Nice try.

Elon bought Twitter because it will make him money. Period.

He bought a company that makes $600 million a year with loans whose yearly interest charges equate to $1 billion.

I'm sure after pissing off every key employee and all of the companies who buy advertisements on his brand new toy Elon will be able to provide $1 billion worth of value (by having SpaceX and Tesla both spend $500 million a year on Twitter ads).

[Potemkin]

Elon bought Twitter because it will make him money. Period.

No he didn't, and no it won't. Period.