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Drlee wrote:@Pants-of-dog


I never said that. I think you were trying to reply to someone else. Perhaps @Godstud?

The main difference between Canadian laws on abortion and US laws is that Canadian law respects a person’s right to body autonomy or integrity.

The US citizenry does not seem to have any such right.
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Saeko wrote:If women do not have the right to get an abortion, then accidental unwanted impregnation should be classified as a form of rape.


Yes, also if your partner has HIV and they tell you they have HIV but you still beg them to have sex with you despite the known risks so you can get your rocks off but you still get HIV you should be able sue your partner for rape because informed consent and liability means nothing because the right to awesome orgasms is absolute.

They should also make it a law where if you grab a gun and load 3 bullets in the chamber and pull the trigger every night while you point the gun in your face because the thrill of it all feels awesome but it happens to kill you then you should be able to sue the gun maker for murder.

It's pretty clear that if you use condoms and BC pills that have warning labels about failure rates and you have full informed consent of the risks of the activity you're engaging in that it should still be legally someone else's fault because being a stupid irresponsible entitled asshole is a human right.
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Unthinking Majority wrote:Yes, also if your partner has HIV and they tell you they have HIV but you still beg them to have sex with you despite the known risks so you can get your rocks off but you still get HIV you should be able sue your partner for rape because informed consent and liability means nothing because the right to awesome orgasms is absolute.


If one did not have the right to seek medical treatment for HIV, then yes, this is also a kind of rape.

They should also make it a law where if you grab a gun and load 3 bullets in the chamber and pull the trigger every night while you point the gun in your face because the thrill of it all feels awesome but it happens to kill you then you should be able to sue the gun maker for murder.


This is not at all an apt analogy.

It's pretty clear that if you use condoms and BC pills that have warning labels about failure rates and you have full informed consent of the risks of the activity you're engaging in that it should still be legally someone else's fault because being a stupid irresponsible entitled asshole is a human right.


When you invite someone over to your house, I guess then you would be fine if they accidentally burn it down and are not liable for any damages? After all, you knew the risks of inviting someone over to your house and you gave full informed consent.

It seems that for people like you property rights are absolute until it comes to vaginas.
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Saeko wrote:If women do not have the right to get an abortion, then accidental unwanted impregnation should be classified as a form of rape.

This is absurd. Just because some people are behaving like children does not mean you have to lower yourself to their standards. An accidental unwanted pregnancy has no resemble to rape (unless an actual rape did occur).

If one did not have the right to seek medical treatment for HIV, then yes, this is also a kind of rape.

No. It is not. It is certainly unethical and possibly illegal if you have someone knowingly infect someone their sexual partner who is unaware of an existing STD. But it is not rape.

When you invite someone over to your house, I guess then you would be fine if they accidentally burn it down and are not liable for any damages?

Being liable does not mean you are a rapist. You can be liable for knowingly infecting someone else. Perhaps if it goes to court perhaps you could be compelled to pay for the victim's treatment. But there is a huge difference in terms of the criminal implications.

It seems that for people like you property rights are absolute until it comes to vaginas.

No. It is simply a matter of actually evaluating the situation and the intent. If a male gets a fractured penis from regular intercourse... this does not make it a "rape" either.
It is sad, cruel and stupid to have these people legislate abortion and/or women's bodily right like that, but just going to your corner extreme and start calling everything that moves rape is just a very regressive response which is not helpful.
#15225354
Saeko wrote:If women do not have the right to get an abortion, then accidental unwanted impregnation should be classified as a form of rape.

Lol what?

Also US females are at fault to a large degree if you don't support this because you don't really vote on mass so it is easier to do these kind of things to you.

TLDR of the story: Go vote and agitate others to vote from your female friends.
#15225357
@XogGyux

You are missing the point entirely. No, these things are not considered rape currently, but in a country where women do not have the right to seek medical treatment for unwanted pregnancy, men must also accept culpability for accidentally imposing such unwanted and legally unremediable medical conditions.

Manslaughter is not murder, but it is still a very serious crime involving the accidental imposition of an unwanted medical condition (death).
#15225358
Saeko wrote:@XogGyux

You are missing the point entirely. No, these things are not considered rape currently, but in a country where women do not have the right to seek medical treatment for unwanted pregnancy, men must also accept culpability for accidentally imposing such unwanted and legally unremediable medical conditions.

Manslaughter is not murder, but it is still a very serious crime involving the accidental imposition of an unwanted medical condition (death).

You talk about a natural consequence of having sex, bitch.

ImageI've had sex with a man and now I'm pregnant, although I didn't want to get
pregnant. How could that happen? It must have been rape...
#15225359
Beren wrote:You talk about a natural consequence of having sex, bitch.

ImageI've had sex with a man and now I'm pregnant, although I didn't want to get
pregnant. How could that happen? It must have been rape...


Dying is a natural consequence of being alive, yet murder is still a crime. Curious.
#15225363
Saeko wrote:Natural death is usually not imposed by another party.

Consensual sex isn't imposed by anyone by definition, it's rather a natural way of reproduction. That's how you bitches get pregnant naturally.

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#15225364
Beren wrote:Consensual sex isn't imposed by anyone by definition, it's rather a natural way of reproduction. That's how you bitches get pregnant naturally.


Consensual sex is not an unwanted pregnancy. Just because one consents to sex does not mean that they consent to pregnancy.
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Saeko wrote:Consensual sex is not an unwanted pregnancy. Just because one consents to sex does not mean that they consent to pregnancy.

Indeed it doesn't, although it should, since pregnancy is a natural consequence of having sex, as a matter of fact it's supposed to be its desirable outcome.
#15225367
Beren wrote:Indeed it doesn't, although it should, since pregnancy is a natural consequence of having sex, as a matter of fact it's supposed to be its desirable outcome.


Well, by that same logic, since death is both a natural and inevitable consequence of being born, all parents are murderers.
#15225368
Clear perhaps. Good points? I disagree.
What kind of society are we if we use this as some sort of punishment of your "promiscuous/irresponsible behavior".


It is not punishment. I know of not a single mother who feels her baby, wanted or not, is a punishment.

Are we to see the end of personal responsibility? Does this apply if someone gets drunk and buys a car? Should they have the right to bring the car back three months later?

And who governs the people of a state? (Hint. It is not the government of the US.) It is the people of that state. If they want to alibi bad behavior, careless behavior, dangerous behavior, whatever, they can pass laws to do that. The beef should not be with the SCOTUS but rather with the individual states which wish to ban abortion.

In another thread I went all in on blaming each and every Russian citizen for what is happening in Ukraine. I stand by this. The number one cause of abortion in a healthy mom, and the only one in which I am interested, is unwanted pregnancy. Using abortion as birth control rather than using self control. The state will step in and pay for the medical care for unwed or uninsured mothers using tax money.

Besides. Since people of color avail themselves of abortion at a much higher rate than whites do this decision will serve to narrow the racial balance in the US. The Republicans should be thrilled with that.

We can stop the heated bullshit about rape. This is a calm and dispassionate debate. Little is really at stake. Women have been raising kids as a full time job for tens of thousands of years. They will do fine.

We will get much better welfare after this.

Consensual sex is not an unwanted pregnancy. Just because one consents to sex does not mean that they consent to pregnancy.


:eh:

Yea. It sorta does if they have not taken any precautions. Note the term precautions begins with pre....
#15225369
Drlee wrote:Yea. It sorta does if they have not taken any precautions. Note the term precautions begins with pre....


No. It doesn't. You may not have taken any precautions to secure your car, but that does not mean you have consented to having your car stolen. You might be an idiot, but you still have rights to property.

Vaginas are property. Maybe this will help you understand.
#15225370
Saeko wrote:Well, by that same logic, since death is both a natural and inevitable consequence of being born, all parents are murderers.

Or we just happen to be naturally mortals as we happen to naturally reproduce by sex.
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