[noemon]

When Canada had protests last year, the government of Canada cut off the protester's access to their own money in their bank accounts. How many threads were started in this site about that? How many pages did the thread get?

This is not true. Lying about the media is one thing, lying about PoFo is another.

Canadian protesters got more airtime than China in here and also my unwavering support.

[QatzelOk]

This is not true. Lying about the media is one thing, lying about PoFo is another.

Canadian protesters got more airtime than China in here and also my unwavering support.

I wasn't lying. I was asking a question about the thread that reached 25 pages.

I was asking the poster Patrickov to review his contribution to that protest thread.

And I asked him to do this, because that demo demonstrated how little freedom Westerners really have.

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Also, this on Color revolutions R Us:

On 16 September, the second day of a historic Shanghai Cooperation Organization meeting in Samarkand, Uzbekistan, Xi Jinping called on members of the Central Asian grouping to work together to prevent “external forces” from instigating “color revolutions” in the region. 

Believing the prospect to be a major risk in the near future, as part of this joint effort, the Chinese President offered to tutor 2,000 specialist police officers at a regional training center in order to “strengthen law enforcement capacity building” among member nations.

His comments were eerily serendipitous, for within hours, hordes of demonstrators took to the streets of Tehran and other major Iranian cities, engaging in violent acts, and calling for the government’s overthrow. 

A week later, despite several million-strong counter-protests by government supporters and arrests of key agitators, the upheaval shows little sign of abating. Despite widespread barbarity targeted at civilians and authorities alike, such as the destruction of an ambulance ferrying police officers away from the scene of a brutal riot, many protesters purport to be motivated by human rights concerns.

For residents of the former Soviet sphere, these scenes will be familiar, and indeed ominous. After all, it is in these lands where, since the turn of the century, multiple governments have been ousted in color-coded uprisings - for example, Georgia’s 2003 Rose Revolution, Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution, and Kyrgyzstan’s 2005 Tulip Revolution. 

Invariably, they began as massive street-protests, which quickly turned incendiary following inevitable responses from local authorities. Invariably too, they were framed in the Western media as spontaneous, organic explosions of popular will, motivated by overwhelming local demand for human rights, democracy, and freedom.

In every case too, what replaced the felled administrations were autocratic and unpopular Western-backed regimes, which did nothing to advance the causes of humanitarianism, progress, or liberty, but an enormous amount to further Western ideological and financial interests, supplant national sovereignty over key industries and economic sectors, and reduce their countries and citizens to vassals of the American empire. ...

[Wels]

I think the existing Mullah régime is unpopular since the Chomeini days, it was only that the Shah must have been worse. But like in every autocratic system suppression and erratic government decisions get worse and this seems to have now become unbearable. Certainly also because of western sanctions, but on the other hand imagine this régime having nuclear weapons.
It seems the "vice police" (or .. squad - right definition?) has just ben dissolved, probably under pressure of the demonstrations and strikes. Hopefully the first blow on the way to more freedom for the people of Iran.

[ckaihatsu]

Qatzel, I think that the current anti-clerical uprising in Iran is more like *BLM*, than the color revolutions.

[QatzelOk]

Qatzel, I think that the current anti-clerical uprising in Iran is more like *BLM*, than the color revolutions.

BLM was a lot like the other color revolutions.

Black lives matter
Rose lives matter
Pink lives matter
Orange lives matter
Green lives matter....

And it was also sponsored for political purposes. Exploited for the benefit of the usual suspects.

[ckaihatsu]

BLM was a lot like the other color revolutions.

Black lives matter
Rose lives matter
Pink lives matter
Orange lives matter
Green lives matter....

And it was also sponsored for political purposes. Exploited for the benefit of the usual suspects.

Okay, so BLM was for the upcoming election at the time, but it exposed the police-state tendencies that exist (statist authoritarianism) when it comes to police violence and killer cops.

The entire *country* had to decide if it would go as far as tolerating *Rittenhouse* (etc.).

[QatzelOk]

Okay, so BLM was for the upcoming election at the time, but it exposed the police-state tendencies that exist (statist authoritarianism) when it comes to police violence and killer cops...

Yes, but it exposed those things for just a few seconds in order to get the general public to react in a specific way at a given moment.

This is like when a travelling caravan arrives in town selling "the ale that heals ye!" just after a measles epidemic has closed all the local schools.

"What timing!" Almost like someone is trying to sell you "exactly what you think you need" .. and then they'll be off to the next town, or the next meme.

[ckaihatsu]

Yes, but it exposed those things for just a few seconds in order to get the general public to react in a specific way at a given moment.

This is like when a travelling caravan arrives in town selling "the ale that heals ye!" just after a measles epidemic has closed all the local schools.

"What timing!" Almost like someone is trying to sell you "exactly what you think you need" .. and then they'll be off to the next town, or the next meme.

I'm going to have to call the BLM protests 'eventful', even 'significant' -- not-dissimilarly to the Western bourgeois revolutions. Sure the facts-on-the-ground like colonialism and genocide have shown the profound *lack* on the part of Europeans' simple, *callous* commercial impulses, but those bourgeois expeditions and revolutions *were* still historically meaningful, significant, and not mere political marketing -- because of their overthrowing monarchies in several countries and paving the way for industrialization. Industrialization provides the basics of society / civilization to *more* people, generally, over time.

[Rancid]

@QatzelOk supports mass rape.

[ckaihatsu]

@QatzelOk supports mass rape.

Is this the standing 'Khmer Rouge' accusation against Qatzel -- ?

He's *denied* it, which is good enough for me, unless you have something solid somewhere....

Maybe *hold off* on the dogpile for now, Rancid.


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[QatzelOk]

@QatzelOk supports mass rape.

If you don't support one of these obligatory trends, your own friends and neighbors go fascist on you and smear you.

This is a witch-burning level of public awareness.

[ckaihatsu]

I've joked that Rancid just needs a fort and enough pillows *for* the fort, and then he won't be so concerned with *political* matters. (grin)

[Patrickov]

QatzelOk supports mass rape.

More like he supports arbitrary murder and oppression of innocent people who happen to be stand in the way of his anti-West ideals, which Iran is actually doing now at least weekly.

That said, I see myself such kind of person, and some may just see the only difference between me and him being our stance on the West, but at least I do find those I want dead eviler than those I think should be spared of all these perils.

[ckaihatsu]

More like he supports arbitrary murder and oppression of innocent people who happen to be stand in the way of his anti-West ideals, which Iran is actually doing now at least weekly.

That said, I see myself such kind of person, and some may just see the only difference between me and him being our stance on the West, but at least I do find those I want dead eviler than those I think should be spared of all these perils.

Yowtch, Qatzel, you catch more shit than even *me*.... *Congrats*, I guess.

The reader can note that this is the standard right-wing treatment of mixing nationalist *geopolitics*, with on-the-ground *anti-authoritarian* protest movements. Iran is forced onto the defensive *geopolitically*, but is extremely heavy-handed and violent to its own people, with *hundreds* killed already.


History, Macro-Micro -- simplified

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[Rich]

More like he supports arbitrary murder and oppression of innocent people who happen to be stand in the way of his anti-West ideals, which Iran is actually doing now at least weekly.

The Conservative says

My country right or wrong
My race right or wrong
My ethnicity right or wrong
My religion right or wrong

The Cultural Marxist says

My country's enemies right or wrong
My race's enemies right or wrong
My ethnicity's enemies right or wrong
My religion's enemies right or wrong

A couple of things need to be added. When you have a shock to the system like 9/11 or the special military operation, lot of Liberals can morph over night into extreme reactionary conservatives. I know what lets kidnap, torture and cage some foreigners to meek us feel better. Or lets revive the old Nazi style tropes of uncivilised Russian Slavic sub humans. The second point is that whether its Conservatives or Liberals its always women's rights and interests that are thrown over board first.

[ckaihatsu]

The Conservative says

My country right or wrong
My race right or wrong
My ethnicity right or wrong
My religion right or wrong

The Cultural Marxist says

My country's enemies right or wrong
My race's enemies right or wrong
My ethnicity's enemies right or wrong
My religion's enemies right or wrong

A couple of things need to be added. When you have a shock to the system like 9/11 or the special military operation, lot of Liberals can morph over night into extreme reactionary conservatives. I know what lets kidnap, torture and cage some foreigners to meek us feel better. Or lets revive the old Nazi style tropes of uncivilised Russian Slavic sub humans. The second point is that whether its Conservatives or Liberals its always women's rights and interests that are thrown over board first.

There's no 'my', Rich -- we don't live in longhouses communally in the middle of the forest, so there's no 'my-demographics' these days for *political* matters.

People are born into modern life with *arbitrary* demographic attributes, and most *don't* become obsessed with such arbitrary details as the description of their individual self.

You sound *very* much like you're promoting *identity politics*, Rich, with all of this emphasis on *individual demographics*.


Ideologies & Operations -- Fundamentals

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[QatzelOk]

More like he supports arbitrary murder and oppression of innocent people...

Yes, Iranian women who don't want to wear veils are innocent.

And everyone else in Iran is guilty, like Libyans and Iraqis and Syrians were all guilty of something or another.

When you are getting ready to kill lots of people, it helps to "create" a damsel in distress out of words.


"Won't some tall, brave, gallant male help me by killing the bad guys who are sitting on all that oil?"

[ckaihatsu]

identity politics

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philosophical abstractions

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