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By QatzelOk
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The protests that are occurring in Iran are getting a lot of coverage. Which suggests that the West's thug media owners have an interest there, and are probably involved in organizing or arming the protestors as well.

In the meantime, there are many other protests happening around the world that our media doesn't want you to know about or pay attention to.

Our media creates a fake worldview by blocking coverage of protests MEDIA OWNERS don't support, and by giving undo attention to the protests that it supports (or even funds and arms).

Counterpunch wrote:...Tens of thousands protested against the skyrocketing cost of living and against Macron in France October 16, led by left-wing politician Jean Luc Melenchon, but there were few front page or top-of-the hour headlines in the U.S.

Huge protests occurred in Rome the same day to demand an end to Italy’s involvement in NATO, but no coverage on the west side of the Atlantic.

Thousands protesting in Paris October 22 against NATO, but little notice in North America. Massive protests against NATO and inflation due to sanctions on Russian energy in France, Germany and Austria in September, but little news of it here in the heart of the empire.

German police beat citizens protesting energy shortages and record-high inflation, both due to Russia sanctions, the week of October 17, but that was not covered in the USA.

Seventy thousand Czechs protested in Prague September 3 against NATO involvement in Ukraine, demanding gas from Russia (before some mysterious imperial somebody with means and motive blew up Nordstream 1 and 2, probably to nip the political effects of those protests in the bud) and ending the war, but that got little coverage in U.S. corporate media.

Ever get the sense there are things our media hides from us?

Hmm. Ever wonder why enormous protests against the policies of the Exceptional Empire and its attack dog, NATO, seem, um, to be downplayed? Ever think our corporate news outlets behave more like the propaganda arm of our neoconservative state department and military than a free press? Well, if so, you may be onto something....


Is the right to wear-not wear a hijab really the biggest thing people on Earth have to protest about right now?

Do the millions protesting against freezing to death or being poisonned by experimental injections.... really have nothing important to say to Western media readers?

I realize that the MEDIA OWNER class has always hated Iran.... so every fart from Iran gets covered. But how can media viewers be SO GULLIBLE that they can act like "this time I know it's for real"? (and not just another fake propaganda psy op)
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By Rancid
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QatzelOk wrote:The protests that are occurring in Iran are getting a lot of coverage. Which suggests that the West's thug media owners have an interest there, and are probably involved in organizing or arming the protestors as well.

In the meantime, there are many other protests happening around the world that our media doesn't want you to know about or pay attention to.

Our media creates a fake worldview by blocking coverage of protests MEDIA OWNERS don't support, and by giving undo attention to the protests that it supports (or even funds and arms).



Is the right to wear-not wear a hijab really the biggest thing people on Earth have to protest about right now?

Do the millions protesting against freezing to death or being poisonned by experimental injections.... really have nothing important to say to Western media readers?

I realize that the MEDIA OWNER class has always hated Iran.... so every fart from Iran gets covered. But how can media viewers be SO GULLIBLE that they can act like "this time I know it's for real"? (and not just another fake propaganda psy op)


It's hilarious watching you advocate for authoritarians.
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By noemon
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The protests in Iran are not getting any coverage.

Saying otherwise is blatantly lying.

All the news I get about Iran, I get them from our family there as there is absolutely nothing on the press despite several dead for weeks now.

Not wearing a hijab, Qatz you are pathetic.

They are protesting because women not wearing it properly are murdered by the religious police.
By late
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noemon wrote:
The protests in Iran are not getting any coverage.

Saying otherwise is blatantly lying.

All the news I get about Iran, I get them from our family there as there is absolutely nothing on the press despite several dead for weeks now.

Not wearing a hijab, Qatz you are pathetic.

They are protesting because women not wearing it properly are murdered by the religious police.



They've been on the American BBC news show.
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By noemon
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I read all the British newspapers every day, there has been no mention, no front page article, no coverage but just the odd article perhaps once per week which you need to dig to find, mentioning nothing at all but just repeating the death of the Kurdish lady at the hands of the religious police.

The Iran protests are not part of the western news cycle.

We do not get a daily or even weekly digest of what is actually happening there.

Both me and my Persian wife have been extremely disappointed by the fact that no one in the west is actually giving this any press coverage.
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By Rancid
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Apparently @QatzelOk hates women. Apparently he thinks it's wrong for them to protest for their rights.
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By QatzelOk
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Rancid wrote:Apparently @QatzelOk hates women. Apparently he thinks it's wrong for them to protest for their rights.

It's too bad that you are unable to see beyond the talking points that our gangster-media feeds you.

We are being inundated with "iran women protest" memes, just like we were inundates with Stop-Brexit, Je suis Charlie, Covid passports, and Ukraine flags to support arming Russia's enemies to the teeth.

Please get away from the text (distance yourself from the propaganda flow) because if you don't or can't, then you can't really offern any kind of perspective - other than that which can be found in commercial media. Which is propaganda.
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By Rancid
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QatzelOk wrote:It's too bad that you are unable to see beyond the talking points that our gangster-media feeds you.

We are being inundated with "iran women protest" memes, just like we were inundates with Stop-Brexit, Je suis Charlie, Covid passports, and Ukraine flags to support arming Russia's enemies to the teeth.

Please get away from the text (distance yourself from the propaganda flow) because if you don't or can't, then you can't really offern any kind of perspective - other than that which can be found in commercial media. Which is propaganda.


uh huh. :lol:
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By ckaihatsu
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Actions by protestors

Protesters often stage small and quick, but numerous, "flash mob" gatherings. Drivers have blocked streets with their cars to slow down security forces; roads have also been blocked by dumpster bins or even overturned police cars. Security forces on motorbikes cut through traffic, with passengers firing on protestors. In some cases security forces use paintballs to mark demonstrators; some demonstrators pack extra clothes to replace painted clothes, wear masks to avoid identification, or dismantle public security cameras. Some protestors chant from windows or rooftops. Symbolic protests include dyeing fountains blood-red, and women discarding and burning hijab or cutting their hair in public.[35]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Ami ... protestors



Slogans

Demonstrators used slogans and banners that directly criticized the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Khamenei. Protesters showed strong opposition to human rights violations perpetrated by Iran's Guidance Patrol.[37] "Woman, Life, Freedom" (Persian: زن، زندگی، آزادی, romanized: Zan, Zendegī, Āzādī, Kurdish: ژن، ژیان، ئازادی, romanized: Jin, Jiyan, Azadî) is the signature slogan of the protests.[38]

Casualties

On 20 September, Esmail Zarei Kousha, governor of the northwestern Kurdistan province, confirmed the first three deaths in the protests, and stated that they were not killed by security forces.[40] As of 26 September, a count of official statements by authorities tallied at least 13 dead, while state-controlled television news suggested that at least 41 had been killed, including protesters and police.[41] According to Iran Human Rights, as of 25 October, at least 234 people had been killed, including women and at least 29[21] children.[21][42][39] Death certificates obtained by the organization confirm that many died from live bullets. The Oslo-based human rights organization however stated that with the current Internet blackouts, it was difficult to get accurate and up-to-date figures.[23] According to the Human Rights Activists in Iran organization, at least 233 protesters have been killed by regime forces as of 14 October. This figure includes 32 children.[43] In addition to Amini herself, the death of several women protesters were widely reported by the media, including Nika Shakarami, Hadis Najafi and Sarina Esmailzadeh.[44]

By 25 September, five Basij members had been killed by protesters.[45] By 26 October, when an IRGC officer was killed in Malayer, 33 security force members had been killed.[46]
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By MadMonk
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Most I hear about Iran comes from 2nd and 3rd generation refugees (Persian) or 1st generation (mostly Afghan or Kurdish) here in Sweden through social media. Heavily anti-regime mostly with sprinkles of anti-US/Israel here and there.

It is unfair to compare them to the Cuban exiles in the US, but there are similarities. The timing of these protests is interesting. Did the Iranians start supplying the Russians with drones first or was it the other way around?

Either way, the clerics are handling this poorly.
By Istanbuller
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Negotiator wrote:... say what ?

So can somebody explain to me how being secular is now a drawback for a government ? :eh:

Didnt we just complain about a theocracy ? Which is otherwise democratic in structures ? So the theocracy part obviously is the complaint ?

Or do you seriously want to tell me a country like Syria, which is by large majority religious, would actually suppress religion ? Because Wikipedia lists ZERO atheists in Syria. 87% muslim, 10% christian, 3% druze. That sums up to 100%. So - apparently no atheists.

Theocracy is a form of authoritarianism.
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By noemon
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Look at all those CIA agents:




Stop appropriating other's people's voice and dragging other people in the pit of your mind-numbing conspiracy toilet.


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By MadMonk
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Preparing a massive crackdown it seems. Iran has some work to do in its PR messaging.
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By QatzelOk
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Rancid wrote:It's hilarious watching you advocate for authoritarians.

While it's kind of scary to "try to reason with people" who are only able to understand world events based on the propaganda of their atrocity-causing masters.

It's like debating with other people's dogs.

Dogs can be dangerous and violent ... and they use their violence to enforce "a human master's" ideas and emotions, not their own.

Pet-hood lacks dignity.

Get away from your master's text.
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By noemon
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QatzelOk wrote:While it's kind of scary to "try to reason with people" who are only able to understand world events based on the propaganda of their atrocity-causing masters.

It's like debating with other people's dogs.

Dogs can be dangerous and violent ... and they use their violence to enforce "a human master's" ideas and emotions, not their own.

Pet-hood lacks dignity.

Get away from your master's text.


It's nice when you project your cynical behaviour onto others.

You are meaner and more malicious than these so-called "masters", you have nothing to gain yet you insult and appropriate the real struggle of entire populations and for nothing at all!! Mamma Mia.

It's funny that you believe that you are proving anything other than your own malice.
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By noemon
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I am writing these words and my sick wife is asking me to stop because she is worried she will never be able to see her family again if I carry on speaking these little words in here.
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By Deutschmania
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The demonstrations have since evolved into a full on revolution. Not merely an armed uprising , but a true structurally transformative social revolution in the revolutionary socialist sense. The regressive leftists]/url] may cynically side with the brutally repressive religious reactionary regime in Tehran , due to a misguided sense of anti-imperialism, but we who are truly progressive, and democratic stand in solidarity with the Iranian opposition groups, including but not limited to the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Freedom_Party]Kurdistan Freedom Party , and the Tudeh Party , among other banned left-wing opposition parties. As long as it is in accordance with the just demands of the popular will of the people of Iran, and not like the 1953 Coup , then I for one support this worthy endeaver. If anyone doesn't know just how tyrannical the government of Iran has been, under first the Reza Shah Pahlavi, and later the Ayatollah Khomeini, I would recommend either reading or watching Persepolis, which was one of the main sources from which I first learned of the situation. Such resistance is not simply a western creation. And the Islamic Republic has persecuted and executed dissidents on the political left as well. P.S. On a more personal note, in spite of the disagreements we have had in the past, I wish to express my sympathy to @noemon . I know second-hand what it's like to know someone who's an emigree from Iran. My one maternal first cousin once had a fiancee who's Persian, from whom I learned her family changed their surname, I take it to avoid detection from the Iranian secret police, Vaja , due to their conversion to Christianity. In Iran such apostasy is considered to be a capital offense against the ruling theocratic regime, where betrayal of the Shia Muslim religion is treated the same as treason against the nation, and vice versa. So keep safe, and stay strong. https://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/2022/09/20/statement-of-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-down-with-the-dictator-there-is-no-end-to-the-regimes-murderous-thuggery/ , https://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/2022/09/25/statement-of-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-in-support-of-the-courageous-and-widespread-uprising-of-the-people-against-oppression-and-tyranny/ , https://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/2022/10/02/statement-of-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-a-passionate-salute-to-the-heroic-struggle-of-the-women-youth-and-students-of-the-country-iran/
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