[noemon]

Dispute what? You have produced nothing that could even remotely supports your claims at all. That there were 100,00 non citizen Jews in Germany in 1933 when the Nazi regime came to power does not mean the Nazi regime allowed them in. It means they were they before teh regime was installed.

You made a claim which you are unable to substantiate with sources. The sources you provided do not support them as seem to be totally misread, they did not support your claims at all.

Nazi Germany had shown itself quite clearly in many ways and was not a normal country. Night of long knives, wholesale murder of those regime did not like, Nazi storm-troopers in parliament for the passing of the enabling act , it was clearly a fairly ruthless dictatorship with heavy racial agenda and little regard for the law or human rights,/ the 1935 Nuremberg race laws.

But you are indeed right that many other countries including the US and Britain were not keen on Jewish refugees. but they did accept some The US accepted around 102,00 German Jews, Britain 52,000, France 30,000 , Netherlands 30,000 Poland 25,000

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank ... 1933-1942/


But does not make your claims true or substantiate them in any way.

You are still whining that I have not produced something but I have indeed. In 1933 there were about half a million Jews in Germany, 1/5(100k) of them were undocumented refugees. During 1933-1935, net Jewish emigration away from Germany was stable(that is roughly zero) while around 30-40k per year German Jews(not refugees) left for France, Switzerland and other European countries. Also stated in the source from holocaust.org.

In addition, the holocaust.org source does not clarify whether the 100k entered in 1933 or earlier but it is quite clear that it is talking about 1933 particularly, and what is 100% certain is that there was a steady stream of undocumented Jewish refugees in the order of 30-60k per year from Poland and Russia in to Germany between 1933-1935 that continued(albeit reduced) up until 1938 when the situation became dire after Kristallnacht and the US and Britain started changing their tune slightly but not substantially. All this is not out of order at all because Soviet Jewish refugees were having an even harder time in Poland and Russia, they were not expected to know the intimacies of nazi ideology, that had just been elected, intimacies even eluded by the British King & government at the time and Germany was a first and prime point of entry for all those seeking to escape Sovietistan.

The fact remains that these figures of undocumented refugees into Germany are higher than the amount of total(of all nationalities) refugees/asylum seekers that the UK received in 2022/23.

What is also certain is that the language used by British officials to describe those seeking refuge, "invaders" by none other than the British Immigration Minister, the policies adopted by none other than the token Prime Minister, to deport them all to Rwanda, as well as the cancellation of those disagreeing with such policies is quite reminiscent of 1930's nazi Germany in actual fact.

[pugsville]

You are still whining that I have not produced something but I have indeed. In 1933 there were about half a million Jews in Germany, 1/5(100k) of them were undocumented refugees. During 1933-1935, net Jewish emigration away from Germany was stable(that is roughly zero) while around 30-40k per year German Jews(not refugees) left for France, Switzerland and other European countries. Also stated in the source from holocaust.org.

In addition, the source does not clarify whether the 100k entered in 1933 or earlier but it is quite clear that it is talking about 1933 particularly, but what is 100% certain is that there was a steady stream of undocumented Jewish refugees in the order of 30-60k per year from Poland and Russia in to Germany between 1933-1935 that continued(albeit reduced) up until 1938 when the situation became dire and the US and Britain started changing their tune also. All this is not out of order at all because Soviet Jewish refugees were having an even harder time in Poland and Russia, they were not expected to know the intimacies of nazi ideology, that had just been elected, intimacies even eluded by the British King & government at the time and Germany was a first and prime point of entry for all those seeking to escape Sovietistan.

These figures are higher than the amount of total(of all nationalities) refugees/asylum seekers that the UK received in 2022/23.

What is also certain is that the language used by British officials to describe those seeking refuge, "invaders" by none other than the British Immigration Minister, the policies adopted by none other than the token Prime Mininster, to deport them all to Rwanda, as well as the cancellation of those disagreeing with such policies is quite reminiscent of 1930's nazi Germany in actual fact.

in 1933 the Jewish population of Germany was decreasing. Jews were fleeing Nazi Germany right form the start of the regime. Many of the 100,00 without German citizenship were Poles who had been born in Germany. They had not arrived from anywhere as refugees and certainly not in 1933.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... on-in-1933

"According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany, including the Saar region (which at that time was still under the administration of the League of Nations), was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.)"

"Some 80 percent (about 400,000) of the Jews in Germany held German citizenship. The remainder were mostly Jews of Polish citizenship. Many of the Polish Jews had been born in Germany and had permanent resident status."


The Jewish population of Germany declined by some 300,000 during the 1933-1939 period. Given the already documented outflows, there simply could not have been been 30-40k of Refugees arriving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... in_Germany

"ln January 1933, some 522,000 Jews lived in Germany. After the Nazis took power and implemented their antisemitic ideology and policies, the Jewish community was increasingly persecuted. About 60% (numbering around 304,000) emigrated during the first six years of the Nazi dictatorship. In 1933, persecution of the Jews became an official Nazi policy. In 1935 and 1936, the pace of antisemitic persecution increased. In 1936, Jews were banned from all professional jobs, effectively preventing them from participating in education, politics, higher education and industry. On 10 November 1938, the state police and Nazi paramilitary forces orchestrated the Night of Broken Glass (Kristallnacht), in which the storefronts of Jewish shops and offices were smashed and vandalized, and many synagogues were destroyed by fire. Only roughly 214,000 Jews were left in Germany proper (1937 borders) on the eve of World War II"

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank ... 1933-1942/

"Jews are fleeing from Germany

The NSDAP was anti-Semitic: Germany wanted to get rid of the Jews. By 1 April 1933 the party had already organized a boycott of Jewish businessmen and the liberal professions. In addition, anti-Semitic laws were passed. Many Jewish citizens left Germany in response to this. In the first days of April 1933 alone, hundreds left for Amsterdam.

In September 1935, the NSDAP issued extensive laws in the field of nationality and citizenship. These infamous “Nuremberg Race Laws” excluded Jews from German citizenship. Only Germans of “Germanic origin” could henceforth be German citizens. The inferior label “German subject” was reserved for Jews."


Another cource for the delone of teh Germna Jewish population.

The Jewish Population of Germany 1939-1945
Author(s): Bruno Blau
Source: Jewish Social Studies , Apr., 1950, Vol. 12, No. 2 (Apr., 1950), pp. 161-172 Published by: Indiana University Press

"It is not possible to compare the figures for "racial" Jews with any earlier period since no such count was ever made before. The total numn- ber of Jews by religion in 1933 (including the Jews of the Saar, added in 1935) was 502,799. This means that during the first six years of the Nazi regime, there was a decrease of 288,869 Jews, i. e. 57.4 percent"

And the Number of "Foreign" Jews (those stateless or citizens of other countries) also dropped. (Sane source)

"The number of foreign Jews within the borders of the "old Reich" cannot be given precisely since the figures published are only for the entire Reich and for Berlin and Vienna. The numbers cited below will be somewhat higher for they include Austria (exclusive of Vienna) and the Sudetenland. The total number of Jews by religion in these two areas, however, amounted to only 3,558 and of these only a small num- ber were of foreign citizenship. The number of foreign Jews in the Reich in 1939 was 29,171. Of these 16,341 were citizens of other states, 12,101 were stateless and 729 of undetermined status. Jews of Polish citizen- ship were the largest group, with 12,498; Jews of Czechoslovak citizen- ship came next with 1,024; Hungarian Jews numbered 748 and Ruman- ian Jews 468. Whereas in 1933, 19.8 percent of all the Jews of the Reich were of foreign citizenship, in 1939 the percentage dropped to 13.4. The large number of stateless Jews is explained by the fact that in accord- ance with the law of July 13, 1933 all Jews who had been granted German citizenship after World War I lost this citizenship and became stateless."

Another source for the quite steep decline of the Jewish population under Nazi ruel before the war.
Trends of the Jewish Population in Germany, 1910-39
Author(s): Erich Rosenthal
Source: Jewish Social Studies , Jul., 1944, Vol. 6, No. 3 (Jul., 1944), pp. 233-274 Published by: Indiana University Press

"In the fifty years between 1871 and 1925 the Jewish population of Germany increased from 383,000 to 564,000, or 41 percent. On the other hand, in the eight years between 1925 and 1933 it decreased by 11.5 percent. During the first six years of the Nazi regime (1933-1939) there was a further loss of 280,000, or 56 percent, so that at the outbreak of the present war the figure stood at about 200,000." (page 235)

Who goes on to say the population of alien Jews in Germany without citizenship was l a long standing one.

"A breakdown of Germany's Jewish population by countries of birth reveals that in 1910 only 14.3 percent were foreign-born. In 1933, how- ever, 19.8 percent were aliens (Tables IV and V). The aftermath of the first world war had brought an influx of 30,000 foreign Jews Germany between 1910 and 1925. Although their absolute number declined by 10,000 during the following eight years, their proportion to the total Jewish population showed a slight increase, indicating thatthe native Jewish population declined at a quicker rate" (page 241)

and that this population declined markedly by 1939, so was not growing through the Nazi period.

"A tabulation for 1939 (which includes Germany, Austria and the Sudeten area and Glaubensiuden as well as "racial Jews") shows that out of a total of 330,000 Jews, 37,000 or 11 percent were aliens" (page 240-241)

(the table on page 241 shows 107,000 non citizen Jews in 1925)

[noemon]

The most obvious way to understand Jewish migration away from and into Germany in the 1930's is to see the Jewish population figures and the emigres abroad. This way you can observe those coming in as well. Around 30-40k German Jews fled every year from 1933 onwards with the number reaching 125k seeking visas in the US alone after Kristallnacht in 1938 and over 300k in total seeking to leave Despite these emigres, over 400k remained in 1938 and over 300k remained in 1939(though this now includes Austria and the Sudeten which the Nazis absorbed with referendums and the blessings of the international community) and that despite the fact that nazi-germany was openly and officially accommodating Jewish emigration abroad including in Palestine. Meanwhile, Poland had over 3 million Jewish people that it was sending away in droves years before Hitler started doing the same, while European Russia had 2.5 million and Romania another 3/4 of a million that were being persecuted before the nazis. Several of them finding their way into nazi and near-enough-nazi Germany since 1924.

Antisemitism in Europe

Delegates from 32 countries met in the French resort town of Evian-les-Bains between 6 July and 14 July 1938 to discuss ways to help Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi Third Reich. In the months following Nazi Germany’s annexation of Austria in March 1938, Nazi persecution of Jews in the Third Reich reached horrifying dimensions. Nazi Germany had offered its Jews to the world. Many delegates attending the Evian Conference publicly professed their sympathies for the Jewish refugees. However, most countries, including the USA, Great Britain, and Australia, offered excuses for why they could not accept more refugees. The official delegates from Romania, Hungary, and Poland proposed that their countries also be relieved of their Jews. Only the representatives of the Dominican Republic, and later Costa Rica, agreed to increase their quotas. That the world seemed to turn its back on the German and Austrian Jewish refugees, not surprisingly, provided the Nazi regime’s anti-Semitic campaign with a propaganda bonanza (Morse, 1968:214; Weiss, 1996: 331; Friedlaender, 1997: 248–50; Marrus, 1985: 167–9). The failure of the delegates at the Evian Conference to aid European Jewry was not exceptional as an example of worldwide indifference to the fate of European Jews on the eve of the Holocaust. For in the aftermath of the Evian Conference, indifference to the fate of Europe’s Jews included the following: the unwillingness
of Hungary and Czechoslovakia to give refuge to the expelled Sudetenland Jews; the American failure to pass the Wagner-Rogers Child Refugee Bill that would have admitted to the USA 20,000 Jewish refugee children from Europe and the US refusal to admit the 936 German-Jewish refugees aboard the ill-fated ship, the St. Louis; Great Britain’s decision to close off Palestine to Jewish immigration; and the reneging on pledges made by Argentina and Brazil to Papal authorities to accept baptized Jews into their countries (Friedlaender, 1997: 265–6, 299–300; Mosse, 1985: 231; Marrus, 1985: 285–9).

These examples of insensitivity toward persecuted European Jews on the eve of the Holocaust raise a number of important questions regarding anti-Semitism. It is commonly accepted that the years 1899–1939 are a highpoint in anti-Semitism in western societies (Weinberg, 1986; Bernstein, 1996). What factors account for the wave of extraordinary anti-Semitism after 1899? Was the rise of anti-Semitism between 1899 and the Holocaust steady or uneven? Did popular anti-Semitism vary in content and intensity across societies? If so, why? Did ordinary Germans embrace anti-Semitism in a way that ordinary Americans, British, French, Polish, and Romanian citizens did not, as has been suggested in a number of recent works on German anti-Semitism (Goldhagen, 1996; Weiss, 1996)?1 How does antiSemitism differ from other forms of religious, racial, or ethnic prejudice? With one notable exception (Fein, 1979), scholars have given minimal attention to a systematic and empirically based national comparison of popular anti-Semitism before 1945. The scholarly literature on anti-Semitism typically involves an examination of anti-Semitism within a particular nation

Antisemitism in Germany was not an exception but closer to the rule in western nations at the time(with the notable exception of Italy where it was always low during 1899-1939). For Jews fleeing Poland, Russia, Hungary and Romania, nazi Germany between 1930-1935 might have even seemed a "better place" even.



In 1933, there were 500k Jews in Germany as stated by several sources already posted. In 1939, 1 year after the Kristallnacht there were still 500k Jewish people of the Mosaic faith according to the Nazis and 320k according to non-Nazis, despite all those outflows and the situation having gone to extremes by then.

Even as late as 1943, the international community led by the US & Britain had failed to reach an agreement on Jewish refugees from Germany(at this point almost all of Europe was controlled by Germany) and very limited quotas still remained in place.

More importantly, Hitler was in opposition since 1930 and together with the other 2 fascist parties(DNVP & DVP), the nazi party effectively dominated German politics since 1930.

While the fascist DNVP had been in opposition since 1924 and the DVP was commanding over 10% since 1924 also. Far-right fascist & antisemitic rhetoric had not prevented Jewish refugees from the Soviet domain to enter Germany in droves.

Between 1935 and 1937, a mere 183 doctors and 78 dentists were admitted to work in Britain, an insignificant number relative to the numbers already practicing in Britain; this was consistent with the Home Office’s policy of only admitting ‘exceptional’ cases, namely individuals internationally recognised in their field.

https://www.gale.com/intl/essays/rachel ... -1933-1945

Soviet Jews getting permanent residency status in nazi Germany is even more detrimental to the British case of today.

[ingliz]

"Braverman is what you get if you feed Patel after midnight."

Secretary Suella Braverman has made the following statement under section 19(1)(b) of the
Human Rights Act 1998:

I am unable to make a statement that, in my view, the provisions of the Illegal Migration Bill
are compatible with the Convention rights, but the Government nevertheless wishes the House
to proceed with the Bill.

— Explanatory notes to the Illegal Migration Bill, prepared by the Home Office

[Istanbuller]

Very good move. Hope it will turn into a law. Refugees are a huge burden on social security. Turkey needs to adapt a similar legislation. Removal of 10 million refugees from Europe's gates is a must.

[Pants-of-dog]

Are they sending Ukrainians to Rwanda?

If so, it seems unlikely that this will be popular.

[noemon]

Only Ukranians are specifically exempt.

[noemon]

Gary Lineker cancelled for saying the same thing in his own twitter as this Holocaust survivor:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -secretary

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Nick Matheson
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Suella is encouraging illegal migration by blocking off all legal routes and hence the rise in the boats under her watch and instead of fixing it, she is doubling down with factually nazi language to impress the migrant haters.
And then tripling down by cancelling people who disagree with her including those who merely echo Holocaust survivors like John Salter.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -secretary
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repeat post word for word and all inaccurate.
nick is pathetic. And factually utterly wrong.

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Nick the prick, end of

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Zero argument from the migrant hater.
Yawn.

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Another zero.

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Another assumptive, moronic, galatcially stupid tweet from Nick. I am a FAN of legal migration and am a migrant myself. Apologise. EDITED

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You insult me with zero argument and ask for apologies as well.
Get a grip on yourself boy.
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Contemptous moron. I will never respond to another of your posts. You deeply offend all legal migrants and deserve utter contempt.

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I'd quite like to see your evidence that the Home Secretary has blocked all legal migration routes.
If this was true then I think it would be a bigger story than anything else going on this week.

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Well said and appreciated. Facts matter.

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I offend legal migrants by pointing out that Suella had blocked off all legal routes for asylum seekers thus increasing illegal migration and by quoting a Holocaust survivor confronting her.
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Its a fact. Refugees and asylum seekers can only from inside the UK, except for Ukranians.
How do they come in to claim this status when they are not allowed entry before they get the status?
It’s everywhere and the UNHCR, Amnesty and EU courts have all openly protested about it.
You either live in a bubble or just lie.
Either way, you ‘re wrong.
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"Factually Nazi language" - your sloppy, imprecise use of language suggests you come from a place of ignorance.

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Afghans? Hong Kong? There's 2 more

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Another zero.

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https://www.unhcr.org/uk/news/press/202 ... rregularly .
Afghans, 200 total in 3-4 years.
Hong Kong only for the rich.

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yup too many illegals

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Yes that's true for refugees and asylum seekers, but you said that all legal migration routes were closed. Not everyone who migrates is a refugee or an asylum seeker so I think it is you who are wrong.

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All legal routes for asylum seekers and refugees. EDITED

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You weren't specific

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Lol, sure ok.

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May you be reminded that "boy" is very derogatory.

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Exactly - see my post above about what it takes to do it legally. #TentInSnow #Proud

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It is simply not true that France under macron is unsafe
Anyone leaving France is a criminal not a refugee
The uk should take its share direct from refugees camps
How many will drown due to these people encouraging illegal crossings

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Dont bother Richard, he has NO experience and no morals.

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And she tries to capitalise on her own Jewish in-laws to justify cruelty. A sadist without shame.

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Poor snowflake. Dude insults first, then makes childish demands.
Grow up.

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Are all migrant-haters as childish as you are?

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Open legal routes for refugees to apply and they will not risk their lives or fall victims to human traffickers, calling them invaders and criminals is just nazi language.
There are 10 times more in France and Italy is also a safe country but France is not using nazi language.

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Assumptive? Galatcially? You may be frothing at the mouth but do try to be coherent.

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Sadist without shame indeed mate.

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Assumptive is an accurate word. moron.

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I am sure Nick is quaking in his boots. And you are very dim if you think you can speak for all legal migrants. Try Joan Salter, quoted above, for a start.

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That's correct. There are only three countries from which you can apply for asylum: Ukraine, Afghanistan and Hong Kong. What are others supposed to do?

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You are being generous. Even when I point out I am a migrant and have endured substantial hardship he calls me a sadist. You have to laugh. Just sad.

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You boasting about your feats of mountaineering hardly constitutes an argument. More of a narcissist than a sadist, to be fair. Braverman, who openly floated about her cruel Rwanda policy, is the sadist. I withdraw narcissist. But try to avoid solipsism: just because you migrated legally and slept at high altitude (chapeau!) does not make it humane or decent to advocate letting migrants drown in the channel. ( Yes - this is what Braverman's supporters feel -. See the piece above.)

[Robert Urbanek]

Look at the size of Africa, then look at the size of Great Britain. Then ask, why is there no place in Africa where refugees can live?

[noemon]

Lots of refugees live in Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Ethiopia and other African countries.

Hundreds of times more.

The UK has the least amount of refugees than any other normal country possibly in the planet.

It is also number 7 in the world right after Ukraine at number 6, Russia, China, Brazil and Hong Kong of losing people to emigration, especially high-net-worth ones.

The UK is officially a pathetic loser country that is using openly nazi language and policies that even Holocaust survivors are calling out as exceptionally cruel and nazi-like.

All bluster and no substance, is on par with Hungary in total military and financial support for Ukraine, below the vast majority of EU countries including Greece.

It has broken all international agreements it has signed, it has the UNHCR, Amnesty, EU courts, all chasing it for breaking human rights.

And let's not even forget what it did with the vaccines when it expropriated all vaccines bound for the EU and caused Astrazeneca lasting reputational damage and to leave the country for Ireland also.

Just lost in the wilderness.

[noemon]

Golden stuff:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... -warnings/

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(1) Lineker knows the rules. (2) He chose to flout them. (3) Now, he's being asked to commit to not flouting them. (4) He won't. (5) So, he's got to go.
This is an organisational no-brainer. What's there to debate?

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He has had plenty of warnings. You can't work against your employer, their ethos, wishes and requests and expect to keep your job. Red card time. EDITED

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Gary Lineker is much bigger than the BBC or Match or the Day. He really doesn’t need them and won’t be bullied into backing down.

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Lineker is bigger than the BBC??? I think either the alcohol consumption or stupidity on here tonight is quite entertaining.

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BBC is a dying organisation. They need him more than he needs them.

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Please pay my license fee, I don't want to.Thanks

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Hi everyone, did you know Richard lives in a tent?

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Used to, not any more. Do keep up Adam. Seriously though down to about 16F its okay, below that... no. BTW given I was gracious towards you, why do you need to keep insulting?

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His real boss of course is not Mr Davie. It's the people and they have spoken.

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Sick of this arrogant spoilt man. He's out of control and thinks he is above the rules. Not sure why he has survived the normally ageist BBC theme. He's over 60 time to go. He's a loose canon.

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I bet you don't even watch MoTD.
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Adam, you are still not capable of answering the question. Roof over you head? Have electricty? Running water? Thought so.... Weak. EDITED

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I replied to your question below. Few comments down. That is hardship!

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Brilliant - you took the bait, love it. Thank you. I'm done with you.. Perhaps go help some people who have been through what I have and you will learn some important things. Lineker hurts legal migrants like me. Genuinely I am very proud of what I went through, and others like me. And no disrespect to you, you likely have no experience of it. Best wishes.

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What do you know about hardship Adam. Have you never lived in a tent? Have you ever been camping, do you know what a sleeping bag is. Have you ever eaten burnt sausages from a small gas stove that you struggle to keep level on the ground. Until you have leave poor Richard alone. EDITED

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Woke on the nth, you believe that telling children stories about camp fires justifies Bravermans's nazi language, nazi silencing of critics and this country's pathetic closure of all legal routes for refugees except for Ukranians and rich Hong Kong people.
Deluded. EDITED

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Do you two sleep in the same tent? Richard is always inviting strangers in to his tent. I wonder what he does to them.

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Thanks Roger. Its a weird world. I also slept for a few months in a photocopy store room cupboard in another country o wait for my US Visa. That was luxury...! Also on another note the treatment of homeless folks in the US is remarkable. Police in the wealthy areas sometimes beat them up to ("help") move them back to the under the highways areas. I kid you not. I used to smuggle a few (on many occasions) into my campsite with me in my boot (trunk in USA), so they could sleep in the restrooms. Sad but true. EDITED

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Thanks Roger. Its a weird world. I also slept for a few months in a photocopy store room cupboard in another country o wait for my US Visa. That was luxury...! Also on another note the treatment of homeless folks in the US is remarkable. Police in the wealthy areas sometimes beat them up to ("help") move them back to the under the highways areas. I kid you not. I used to smuggle a few (on many occasions) into my campsite with me in my boot (trunk in USA), so they could sleep in the restrooms. Sad but true. EDITED

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I do not believe a word you say. You hate immigrants and praise Cruella's policies and her nazi language that is criticised by Holocaust survivors.
You 're just an entitled child who hates foreigners and is assuming identities like the woke. EDITED

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Oh lord he thinks he is Schindler now.

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Adam, one last word, even though you wont believe it either, I am being entirely truthful. God bless you.

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In your fantasy, anything can be true.

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That was three words. But I'll let you off, because you live in a tent.
With a mobile phone and a Telegraph subscription. Of course you do...

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Adam Seddon
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He doesn't owe the BBC anything. They think they are holier than thou, and have proved in the past they are far from it. Harbouring and ignoring the worst of behaviour and criminality.
I don't believe in his comments, but he should not be cancelled for them.
Well done Shearer and Wright.

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USA must be Nazis too according to Lineker and other offensive moronic posters on here: -
"Can Asylum Be Applied for from Outside the U.S.?
You can apply for asylum if you have been persecuted or have a credible fear of being persecuted based on your race, religion, nationality, or membership in a particular social group or political opinion.
Unfortunately, the simple answer to can you apply for asylum outside the U.S. is no. You can’t apply for asylum from outside of the United States."
So we have over 400 million Nazis in just 2 countries then, huh? ROFLMAO
https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/09/can- ... d%20States . EDITED

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US is not calling them "invaders" or "criminals" and nor is it deporting them to Rwanda and is processing 20 times more applications than the UK. Most states allow them to work even while waiting for their applications.
Get a grip again, boy. EDITED

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You have to laugh when the trolls can't respond to facts, they just insult again with repeat posts. Maybe we should kick them out so they could learn real hardship. Weak, so weak. EDITED

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You have to laugh when the trolls can't respond to facts, they just insult again with repeat posts. Maybe we should kick them out so they could learn real hardship. Weak, so weak. EDITED

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Here again if you missed it:
US is not calling them "invaders" or "criminals" and nor is it deporting them to Rwanda and is processing 20 times more applications than the UK. Most states allow them to work even while waiting for their applications.
Get a grip again, boy.

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People who commit crimes are criminals. Entering the U.K. illegally is a crime.

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Just like Jews were once criminals in Germany.
People scapegoating foreigners and especially refugees are criminals.
Mo Farah came here illegally in the back of a lorry and got an OBE.
This sounds like ancient history now how this country has turned out.
You are more of a criminal than he is. EDITED

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Rob Damon
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Aha! Thus says Mr Tough-guy, the Charles Bronson of the migrant debate.

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Facts matter, Rob. And thanks for the compliment. Its not far off... :-) EDITED

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Rob Damon
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How disgusting that Suella Braverman uses her children's Jewish heritage as a specious riposte to Linacre. It is a kind of ad hominem argument- my policy can't be cruel - look at who my in-laws are. In fact that family history ought to prevent her embracing cruel policies in the gloating way she does.

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Richard Hall
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Rob, you need to listen to people who did it legally. I have slept at 8,000 feet in a tent more times than probably anyone on here, I have had almost a foot of snow on my tent many many times and slept oustide down to about 15 degrees F countless times. I did it all legally to get my Visas. #ProudofIt
Linekere??? Laughing my asss off. He knows nothing about hardship.

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Linda Simcock
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Loving the French and Latin! Totally embracing inclusivity.

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"Presenter defiantly doubled down on his political views, but had not reckoned with a BBC boss on a mission to kowtow to the Tories under its former Tory Spin doctor DG and dodgy Chairman"
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/suella ... the-1930s/

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chris wheatley
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Agreed one Tory at the top trying to manage a 1000 lefty journos
Impossible job
Fold the whole thing into britbox then sell off the radio and internet

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Of course they're all lefties Chris like Laura K, Nick Robinson and Fiona Bruce. Grow up or subscribe to GB News and stop complaining.
Too many snowflakes on this website

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jn foster
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He is an arrogant overpaid luvvie good riddance

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I see the green eyed monster in you

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I see stupidity & rudeness in you. Do you have any real experience of unspeakable hardship?

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Sorry Richard, I understand you are easily offended, but you are right I can be rude.
Especially to numpties like you

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Keep up the rudness Adam. I'll save you a place in my tent though... (BTW - numpties?? ) I note though that you did not answer the real question of have you had any real experience of hardship??? EDITED

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I ran out of wood for my woodburner in my holiday home last week. That was pretty tough

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Life is tough at the top.

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You 're cracking me up here mate.
Keep up the good work.
Mine was wet from the rain and was crackling. Tough times.

USA must be Nazis too according to Lineker and other offensive moronic posters on here: -
"Can Asylum Be Applied for from Outside the U.S.?
You can apply for asylum if you have been persecuted or have a credible fear of being persecuted based on your race, religion, nationality, or membership in a particular social group or political opinion.
Unfortunately, the simple answer to can you apply for asylum outside the U.S. is no. You can’t apply for asylum from outside of the United States."
So we have over 400 million Nazis in just 2 countries then, huh? ROFLMAO
https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/09/can- ... d%20States . EDITED

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US is not calling them "invaders" or "criminals" and nor is it deporting them to Rwanda and is processing 20 times more applications than the UK. Most states allow them to work even while waiting for their applications.
Get a grip again, boy. EDITED

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You have to laugh when the trolls can't respond to facts, they just insult again with repeat posts. Maybe we should kick them out so they could learn real hardship. Weak, so weak. EDITED

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You have to laugh when the trolls can't respond to facts, they just insult again with repeat posts. Maybe we should kick them out so they could learn real hardship. Weak, so weak. EDITED

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US is not calling them "invaders" or "criminals" and nor is it deporting them to Rwanda and is processing 20 times more applications than the UK. Most states allow them to work even while waiting for their applications.
Get a grip again, boy.

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People who commit crimes are criminals. Entering the U.K. illegally is a crime.

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Just like Jews were once criminals in Germany.
People scapegoating foreigners and especially refugees are criminals.
Mo Farah came here illegally in the back of a lorry and got an OBE.
This sounds like ancient history now how this country has turned out.
You are more of a criminal than he is. EDITED

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[Potemkin]

The right-wing in Britain believe in ‘cancel culture’ just as much as any ‘woke’ progressive, so long as the right people are being cancelled and for the right reasons. Lol.

And this has always been the case in this country, @noemon. It’s just that you’ve begun to notice it now.

[Robert Urbanek]

Lots of refugees live in Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Ethiopia and other African countries.

Hundreds of times more.

The UK has the least amount of refugees than any other normal country possibly in the planet.

It is also number 7 in the world right after Ukraine at number 6, Russia, China, Brazil and Hong Kong of losing people to emigration, especially high-net-worth ones.

The UK is officially a pathetic loser country that is using openly nazi language and policies that even Holocaust survivors are calling out as exceptionally cruel and nazi-like.

All bluster and no substance, is on par with Hungary in total military and financial support for Ukraine, below the vast majority of EU countries including Greece.

It has broken all international agreements it has signed, it has the UNHCR, Amnesty, EU courts, all chasing it for breaking human rights.

And let's not even forget what it did with the vaccines when it expropriated all vaccines bound for the EU and caused Astrazeneca lasting reputational damage and to leave the country for Ireland also.

Just lost in the wilderness.

It's their country. They decide who lives there.

[Istanbuller]

They would blame it on white supremacy if Rishi Sunak and Stella Braverman were white people. An Indian guy and an Indian lady make anti-migration right-wing wishes come true.

[noemon]

It's their country. They decide who lives there.

Whose country? an unelected PM with no mandate to govern? Composed of 4 constituent nations with 2 of them having majorities calling for an exit from the Union?

You go from 1 nonsense to another.

Just say you hate foreigners and be done with it.

[Rich]

The behaviour of the BBC in trying to silence Lineker is an absolute disgrace. If it wasn't so ominous, if it didn't show how far we've descended into anti free speech fascism, it would be laughable. Likening some one to Hitler and the Nazis, is the most everyday behaviour in the world. These days if one has an argument with one's partner about the washing up there's a good chance that Hitler and the Nazis will be dragged into it.

I support free speech for all BBC employees in their free time, on their own private social media channels.

[Robert Urbanek]

Whose country? an unelected PM with no mandate to govern? Composed of 4 constituent nations with 2 of them having majorities calling for an exit from the Union?

You go from 1 nonsense to another.

Just say you hate foreigners and be done with it.

My best friends are Korean.

As for exits from the UK, it hasn't happened yet. If it does, Scotland and Wales are free to accept any immigrants they want. You would be happy with that, right?

[noemon]

My best friends are Korean.

As for exits from the UK, it hasn't happened yet. If it does, Scotland and Wales are free to accept any immigrants they want. You would be happy with that, right?

I would be very happy with immnigrants being treated as human beings. After all I am an immigrant, why would I ever accept being vilified as a "swarm", an "invader" and a "criminal"? Why do you hate immigrants so much that you openly justify this kind of language?

I am an immigrant that pays over 600-800k per year in taxes, PAYE, VAT, corporation and income tax and have no right to vote in this shithole of a country as even that was taken away from me with Brexit without ever asking me, while I have to tolerate the opinions of benefit claimant neanderthals that are running around amok claiming that "foreigners are stealing their jerbs" with this neo-nazi government blessings and support. Lazy bitches without an honest day work ever done in their lives are blaming scapegoats because the meth lab went out of service.

Everyone is running for the exit from this country, including the Scots and Irish.

A young Iraqi stabbed a person the other day out of sheer desperation to be deported from this country back to Iraq.

He was told he needs to commit a crime, and he went and done so after all other pleas to leave had fallen to deaf ears.

He had been trafficked as no legal route exists for Iraqi refugees, skinned of all his money and then upon arrival locked in a shitty motel with no right to work or do anything at all.

Wonderful, then the immigrant haters called for his death and used him as an example why their pathetic policies are actually working.

You couldn't really make this up.

[noemon]

BBC cancels all sport shows as sports people walk out en mass in support of Gary Lineker.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 98643.html