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Trump indicted for efforts to overturn 2020 election and block transfer of power

By ERIC TUCKER and MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
Updated 8:53 PM CDT, August 1, 2023

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump was indicted on felony charges Tuesday for working to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the violent riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol, with the Justice Department acting to hold him accountable for an unprecedented effort to block the peaceful transfer of presidential power and threaten American democracy.

The four-count indictment, the third criminal case against Trump, provided deeper insight into a dark moment that has already been the subject of exhaustive federal investigations and captivating public hearings. It chronicles a months-long campaign of lies about the election results and says that, even when those falsehoods resulted in a chaotic insurrection at the Capitol, Trump sought to exploit the violence by pointing to it as a reason to further delay the counting of votes that sealed his defeat.

Even in a year of rapid-succession legal reckonings for Trump, Tuesday’s indictment, with charges including conspiring to defraud the United States government that he once led, was stunning in its allegations that a former president assaulted the “bedrock function” of democracy. It’s the first time the defeated president, who is the early front-runner for next year’s Republican presidential nomination, is facing legal consequences for his frantic but ultimately failed effort to cling to power.

“The attack on our nation’s Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy,” said Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith, whose office has spent months investigating Trump. “It was fueled by lies, lies by the defendant targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the U.S. government: the nation’s process of collecting counting and certifying the results of the presidential election.”

The Trump campaign called the charges “fake” and asked why it took two-and-a-half years to bring them.

Trump was the only person charged in Tuesday’s indictment. But prosecutors obliquely referenced a half-dozen co-conspirators, including lawyers inside and outside of government who they said had worked with Trump to undo the election results. They also advanced legally dubious schemes to enlist slates of fake electors in battleground states won by Democrat Joe Biden to falsely claim that Trump had actually won them.

The indictment accuses the defeated president and his allies of trying to “exploit the violence and chaos” by calling lawmakers into the evening on Jan. 6 to delay the certification of Biden’s victory.

It also cites handwritten notes from former Vice President Mike Pence that give gravitas to Trump’s relentless goading to reject the electoral votes. Pence, who is challenging Trump for the GOP presidential nomination, declined overtures from a House panel that investigated the insurrection and sought to avoid testifying before the special counsel. He appeared only after losing a court fight, with prosecutors learning that Trump in one conversation derided him as “too honest” to stop the certification.

Trump is due in court Thursday, the first step in a legal process that will play out in a courthouse situated between the White House he once controlled and the Capitol his supporters once stormed. The case is already being dismissed by the former president and his supporters — and even some of his rivals — as just another politically motivated prosecution.

Yet the case stems from one of the most serious threats to American democracy in modern history.

The indictment centers on the turbulent two months after the November 2020 election in which Trump refused to accept his loss and spread lies that victory was stolen from him. The turmoil resulted in the riot at the Capitol, when Trump loyalists violently broke into the building, attacked police officers and disrupted the congressional counting of electoral votes.

In between the election and the riot, Trump urged local election officials to undo voting results in their states, pressured Pence to halt the certification of electoral votes and falsely claimed that the election had been stolen — a notion repeatedly rejected by judges. Among those lies, prosecutors say, were claims that more than 10,000 dead voters had voted in Georgia along with tens of thousands of double votes in Nevada. Each claim had been rebutted by courts or state or federal officials, the indictment says.

Prosecutors say Trump knew his claims of having won the election were false but he “repeated and widely disseminated them anyway — to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, to create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and to erode public faith in the administration of the election.”

The document carefully outlined arguments that Trump has been making to defend his conduct, that he had every right to challenge the results, to use the courts, even to lie about it in the process. But in stark detail, the indictment outlines how the former president instead took criminal steps to reverse the clear verdict voters had rendered.

The indictment had been expected since Trump said in mid-July that the Justice Department had informed him he was a target of its investigation. A bipartisan House committee that spent months investigating the run-up to the Capitol riot also recommended prosecuting Trump on charges, including aiding an insurrection and obstructing an official proceeding.

The indictment includes charges of conspiring to defraud the U.S., conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding and violating a post-Civil War Reconstruction Era civil rights statute that makes it a crime to conspire to violate rights that are guaranteed by the Constitution — in this case, the right to vote.

The mounting criminal cases are unfolding in the heat of the 2024 race. A conviction in this case, or any other, would not prevent Trump from pursuing the White House or serving as president, though Trump as president could theoretically appoint an attorney general to dismiss the charges or potentially try to pardon himself.

In New York, state prosecutors have charged Trump with falsifying business records about a hush money payoff to a porn actor before the 2016 election. The trial is set to begin in March.

In Florida, the Justice Department has brought more than three dozen felony counts, accusing him of illegally possessing classified documents after leaving the White House and concealing them from investigators. That trial begins in May.

Prosecutors in Georgia are also investigating efforts by Trump and his allies to reverse his election loss to Biden there. The district attorney of Fulton County is expected to announce charging decisions within weeks.

Smith’s team has cast a broad net as part of his federal investigation, with his team questioning senior Trump administration officials, including Pence, before a grand jury in Washington. Prosecutors also interviewed election officials in Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and other battleground states won by Biden who were pressured by the Trump team to change voting results.

Rudy Giuliani, a Trump lawyer who pursued post-election legal challenges, spoke voluntarily to prosecutors. Giuliani was not named in the indictment, but appears to match the description of one of the co-conspirators. A spokesman for Giuliani said Tuesday night that Trump had a “good-faith basis” for the actions he took.

Attorney General Merrick Garland last year appointed Smith, an international war crimes prosecutor who also led the Justice Department’s public corruption section, as special counsel to investigate efforts to undo the election as well as Trump’s retention of classified documents at his Florida home, Mar-a-Lago. Although Trump has derided him as “deranged” and called him politically motivated, Smith’s past experience includes overseeing significant prosecutions against high-profile Democrats.

The Justice Department’s investigations began well before Smith’s appointment, proceeding alongside separate criminal probes into the rioters themselves. More than 1,000 people have been charged in connection with the insurrection, including some with seditious conspiracy.
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Associated Press writers Colleen Long, Zeke Miller, Lindsay Whitehurst, Nomaan Merchant, Lisa Mascaro and Mary Clare Jalonick in Washington, Jill Colvin in New York, Meg Kinnard in Columbia, South Carolina, Alanna Durkin Richer in Boston, Nick Riccardi in Denver, Kate Brumback in Atlanta and Claudia Lauer in Bensalem, Pa., contributed to this report.


Finally.
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Yes finally. However I have no faith in the system. There's also too many mouth breathing shit head MAGA morons in this country. Cultist pieces of shit.

I still hope to hear of Trump's death before 2024. I'd piss on is grave too. fucking scum bag piece of shit.

Worse than Trump? All of his moron piece of shit treasonous followers. Fuck them all.
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Oh right.

Sure, I read to another pointless wall of text that tries to create what isnt there.

Just wake me when he actually gets any penalty whatsoever, instead of this more of this constant stream of increasingly more absurd accusations.
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Saeko wrote::?: Can you elaborate on this?


Sure. Jan 6 was a psyop. There were agent provocateurs/Feds in D.C. on that day instructing people to enter the Capitol building and cause a ruckus, had police back off when protesters and "protesters" swarmed the building etc.

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By Saeko
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skinster wrote:Sure. Jan 6 was a psyop. There were agent provocateurs/Feds in D.C. on that day instructing people to enter the Capitol building and cause a ruckus, had police back off when protesters and "protesters" swarmed the building etc.


A psyop by who and for what purpose? Also, what did you mean by TDS?
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Saeko wrote:A psyop by who and for what purpose?


By the FBI, in favour of Biden.

Also, what did you mean by TDS?


Trump Derangement Syndrome is what infected Democrats and liberals elsewhere, where they lost their minds and acted like Trump was the worst president ever to exist; a living demon who should die immediately etc., despite him not being much different to all those before and after him on a policy level, just because he was more crude than them and didn't put the pretty face of Empire on display when he would talk. It was actually appreciated by some of us who oppose what is ultimate a one-party state known as the U.S. I mean, that time when he had a meeting with the Saudis and instead of talking nonsense about democracy or whatever with this fascistic and genocidal state, he sat in the White House with placards of weapons he was offering to sell them. How can you not laugh at that? The clarity on what relations with that state mean...I mean, how could you not enjoy that level of honesty? :lol:
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By Saeko
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skinster wrote:By the FBI, in favour of Biden.


So the FBI staged a coup in order to help Biden by trying to overturn an election that he'd already won? :?:

Trump Derangement Syndrome is what infected Democrats and liberals elsewhere, where they lost their minds and acted like Trump was the worst president ever to exist; a living demon who should die immediately etc.,


Time has proven those people prescient, not deranged.

despite him not being much different to all those before and after him on a policy level, just because he was more crude than them and didn't put the pretty face of Empire on display when he would talk.


Well, the SC justices he appointed destroyed like half of my rights in a few short weeks, so I definitely wouldn't call him a "business as usual" President. Also, his trying to discredit the CDC and delay the COVID response as much as possible put me and my family in direct danger. And that was all before he tried to make himself dictator for life. So, yeah, a demon wearing human skin who should die immediately is definitely how I would describe him.

It was actually appreciated by some of us who oppose what is ultimate a one-party state known as the U.S. I mean, that time when he had a meeting with the Saudis and instead of talking nonsense about democracy or whatever with this fascistic and genocidal state, he sat in the White House with placards of weapons he was offering to sell them. How can you not laugh at that? The clarity on what relations with that state mean...I mean, how could you not enjoy that level of honesty? :lol:


The fuck? Trump is not some political artiste who is trying to take down the empire through clever irony. He is an outright Nazi who thinks America isn't imperialistic enough.
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Saeko wrote:So the FBI staged a coup in order to help Biden by trying to overturn an election that he'd already won? :?:



It was for multiple reasons including censorship, but also to make it impossible for Trump to challenge the result

Time has proven those people prescient, not deranged.


Nope, they're definitely deranged.

Well, the SC justices he appointed destroyed like half of my rights in a few short weeks, so I definitely wouldn't call him a "business as usual" President. Also, his trying to discredit the CDC and delay the COVID response as much as possible put me and my family in direct danger. And that was all before he tried to make himself dictator for life. So, yeah, a demon wearing human skin who should die immediately is definitely how I would describe him.


This is what I'm talking about re: Trump Derangement Syndrome. Obama fucked with the people of the U.S. too, directly, with stuff like Obamacare, but we did not witness the same level of derangement, just acceptance of that exploitation

The fuck? Trump is not some political artiste who is trying to take down the empire through clever irony. He is an outright Nazi who thinks America isn't imperialistic enough.


That's a strange thing to say considering he didn't start any of his own wars like those before and after him, and even decreased tensions with some states, such as the DPRK and Syria. Still, I was talking about how he was open about the real nature of the U.S. empire unlike those who liked to put a pretty face on it, like Democrats always do. For the rest of the world outside of liberals, this was refreshing to witness, alongside the aforementioned losing-of-minds of liberals who think they're any better than the opposite team because of their positions. For the majority of the world, you all look the same.
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By Saeko
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skinster wrote:It was for multiple reasons including censorship


The censorship of who for what?

skinster wrote: but also to make it impossible for Trump to challenge the result/


So pissing off liberals is more important than opposing imperialism for you?
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By Saeko
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skinster wrote:It was for multiple reasons including censorship


The censorship of who for what?

but also to make it impossible for Trump to challenge the result


How would staging a coup make it impossible for Trump to challenge the results of an election? Trump can always challenge the result of the election for as long as he is alive. He did, in fact, multiple times, and his challenges were found to be utterly meritless in every single case.

This is what I'm talking about re: Trump Derangement Syndrome. Obama fucked with the people of the U.S. too, directly, with stuff like Obamacare, but we did not witness the same level of derangement, just acceptance of that exploitation.


Obamacare is the only reason I am able to afford medical insurance at all, so if that's what you call being fucked with, then I'm begging for more.

That's a strange thing to say considering he didn't start any of his own wars like those before and after him,


Did you forget that he tried to start a war with both Iran and China?

Still, I was talking about how he was utterly open about the real nature of the U.S. empire unlike those who liked to put a pretty face on it. For the rest of the world outside of liberals, this was refreshing to witness, alongside the aforementioned losing-of-minds of liberals who think they're any better than the opposite team because of their positions, some of them completely retarded, on social issues.


So pissing off liberals is more important than opposing imperialism for you?
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Saeko wrote:The censorship of who for what?


Have you read about the conditions of the so-called insurrectionists who were arrested/imprisoned for being at The Capitol Building that day?

How would staging a coup make it impossible for Trump to challenge the results of an election? Trump can always challenge the result of the election for as long as he is alive. He did, in fact, multiple times, and his challenges were found to be utterly meritless in every single case.


Why don't you ask the FBI who said they couldn't admit whether they and their people were in D.C. that day, repeatedly, during legal testimony. If it weren't true, why not just say so?

Obamacare is the only reason I am able to afford medical insurance at all, so if that's what you call being fucked with, then I'm begging for more.


I got fucked with Obamacare when living in the U.S.

So did a lot of poor Americans, including those who would otherwise not have had health insurance, since Obamacare penalised those who couldn't afford his care. Or what would've been called Romneycare before him. Which was written by The Heritage Foundation.

Did you forget that he tried to start a war with both Iran and China?


So did Obama and Biden before/after.

Trying is not the same as doing. Obama increased Bush's wars. Trump did not start any new ones. But people like you celebrate Obama..

So pissing off liberals is more important than opposing imperialism for you?


Reminding them they look the same to those suffering under their policies is what I'm doing. But people like you think that your side is better when it isn't, actually. You're imperialists too. But you act like you're better than the other ones.

And you guys are much more annoying than the Republican types because at least they celebrate their own arrogance and ignorance, whereas your ilk think you're above that. But for those at the negative end of your policies see you all as the same, or sometimes worse. I think it's the arrogance that accompanies your protestations of being the better side is what makes people dislike your side of the same coin that runs the show, more irritating.
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