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The fundamental problem is the separately elected executive Presidency. First off no official should be elected for more than a year. If the public can't be bothered to come out and vote at least once a year, then I don't really see how they can complain about politicians not following the will of the people.

Secondly we shouldn't have separately elected heads of government. this places too much power in one person. The head of government should be instantly replaceable by the members of the national parliament. These should be elected by proportional representation, which doesn't tend to encourage such a dumbed down politics, represents far greater nuance in public opinion and creates less powerful and less durable concentrations of power.

Using the courts does not solve the problem. It is seeking to get judges and juries to do the work of the electorate. But of course here many Democrats see a chance for electoral advantage by prosecuting Trumps. Both sides love the system when it gives them an advantage, but then hypocritically whine like bitches, when it goes against them.

We saw this in Britain with Thatcher in the nineteen eighties. Thatcher ruled for eleven years. She never had the support of the majority. She was never wanted by the majority of the electorate. For most of her time in office her support was in the low thirties. Naturally the left whined like bitches about Thatcher. But they didn't want to change the system, because they wanted a strong leader like Thatcher to dominate the country with out majority support, They just wanted it to be a left wing thatcher not a right wing one.
#15282620
There are hours-long videos of Trump's New Hampshire rally on YouTube, so you can hear and watch him literally repeating himself in each hour for hours. Should he hold hours-long speeches or rallies, such videos wouldn't be so repetitive. But would he have Fidel Castro's stamina to do that? :lol:

How are such videos called, by the way? Reels perhaps?
#15282621
Rich wrote:The fundamental problem is the separately elected executive Presidency. First off no official should be elected for more than a year. If the public can't be bothered to come out and vote at least once a year, then I don't really see how they can complain about politicians not following the will of the people.

Secondly we shouldn't have separately elected heads of government. this places too much power in one person. The head of government should be instantly replaceable by the members of the national parliament. These should be elected by proportional representation, which doesn't tend to encourage such a dumbed down politics, represents far greater nuance in public opinion and creates less powerful and less durable concentrations of power.

Using the courts does not solve the problem. It is seeking to get judges and juries to do the work of the electorate. But of course here many Democrats see a chance for electoral advantage by prosecuting Trumps. Both sides love the system when it gives them an advantage, but then hypocritically whine like bitches, when it goes against them.

We saw this in Britain with Thatcher in the nineteen eighties. Thatcher ruled for eleven years. She never had the support of the majority. She was never wanted by the majority of the electorate. For most of her time in office her support was in the low thirties. Naturally the left whined like bitches about Thatcher. But they didn't want to change the system, because they wanted a strong leader like Thatcher to dominate the country with out majority support, They just wanted it to be a left wing thatcher not a right wing one.


Do you think there should be separate elections for the president of the flat earth and the president of the fake round earth?

Rich wrote:Using the courts does not solve the problem. It is seeking to get judges and juries to do the work of the electorate. But of course here many Democrats see a chance for electoral advantage by prosecuting Trumps. Both sides love the system when it gives them an advantage, but then hypocritically whine like bitches, when it goes against them.


Seems like people already voted on this a couple years ago if your solution is, "Former presidents are not subject to law, let the electorate decide."

Trump made his case about the election being stolen. Well before the actual election. And people voted against him. Justice is being served, and Trump will be held in prison on one of the hexagonal plates that connect to our flat earth.

I do enjoy how your unstated argument is, "Presidents, current and past, are not bound by law." Which sounds like a great way to run a shared power system like our Federal government.

I really like how this is coming from a Briton, a fucking loser whose country is descending into third world status, telling us how a system that placed an unpopular Prime President who fucking gutted their country for over a decade, with their literal last act of power being to knight Jimmy Saville, telling us how to do things.

Step aside. The sun has set on the British Empire. Nobody cares, you fucktoothed bitch. Go fucking inbreed with your queen or whatever the fuck you tea drinking faggots do.
#15282623
I'm just not going to take any Briton seriously until they demolish the 60 foot tall golden statue of Jimmy Saville in the middle of the roundabout connection of Saville Row, Saville Way, Saville Street, and the immensely confusing second Saville Row. Why are these streets still named after the world's most prolific pedophile?

In third world loser metrics: 60 feet is really tall.
#15282625
Also the funniest part of the Jimmy Saville documentaries are the scenes where they announce Jimmy Saville's death and it's always

"2011. Sir Jimmy Saville, Grand Knight Commander of the Bath, dies. The BBC suspends all programming to celebrate his life for five years with nonstop, 24/7 documentaries on his greatness."

*Fade to black*

"Thanks to the Jimmy Saville Endowment for the Betterment of Children, Britain plans to fast track the establishment of its first Child Sex Crimes Unit to sometime in the 2050's."
#15282626
Rancid wrote:At this point, the problem isn't Trump but all the fucking morons that still follow him. They are giving him power basically. A bunch of cucks.


Mankind's only salvation is to genetically engineer humans to be more intelligent. Make sure that everybody has at least IQ 100 or something.
#15282627
Rugoz wrote:Mankind's only salvation is to genetically engineer humans to be more intelligent. Make sure that everybody has at least IQ 100 or something.


Haha, nice one.
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Rugoz wrote:
Mankind's only salvation is to genetically engineer humans to be more intelligent. Make sure that everybody has at least IQ 100 or something.


Everyone is engineered to IQ 100, but I get 150. :muha1:

100 = average though right? so, how is that possible, because 100 is basically a relative measure. It's like a decibels scale. It must be in relation to some absolute quantity.
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Beren wrote:There are hours-long videos of Trump's New Hampshire rally on YouTube, so you can hear and watch him literally repeating himself in each hour for hours. Should he hold hours-long speeches or rallies, such videos wouldn't be so repetitive. But would he have Fidel Castro's stamina to do that? :lol:

How are such videos called, by the way? Reels perhaps?

This post - where you want an ex-president put in jail - would be much more "realistic" if it was written in Spanish, and if it was written in 1972.

Let's all admit that the last few US prez elections have been a choice between different organized crime families, and the next election is shaping up to be the same Crook-versus-Crook carnival of stupidities and distractions.

If Trump wins the next election from his cell, he will then throw the entire Biden family into Guantanamo for four years, until Hunter successfully rigs the following election and puts Trump's family (and dog) in jail... and so on.. and so on...

**Look at all those new high speed rail lines in China**
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Rancid wrote:Everyone is engineered to IQ 100, but I get 150. :muha1:

100 = average though right? so, how is that possible, because 100 is basically a relative measure. It's like a decibels scale. It must be in relation to some absolute quantity.

100 is the average human IQ, by definition. It’s a normalised measure. Bear in mind, of course, that half the population are dumber than that.
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Potemkin wrote:100 is the average human IQ, by definition. It’s a normalised measure. Bear in mind, of course, that half the population are dumber than that.


Of course, but my point is. If you make everyone on the bottom half smarter, they will not have an IQ of 100, because the average IQ will move up such that, they will still be under 100.

IQ is a relative measure.
By Rich
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Potemkin wrote:100 is the average human IQ, by definition. It’s a normalised measure. Bear in mind, of course, that half the population are dumber than that.

I have to say that this doesn't strike me as very intelligent. Am I right in saying there should be about 70 people on the planet with a negative IQ? I would have thought that these rare people are the least likely to be able to understand negative numbers.
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Rich wrote:I have to say that this doesn't strike me as very intelligent. Am I right in saying there should be about 70 people on the planet with a negative IQ? I would have thought that these rare people are the least likely to be able to understand negative numbers.

What would a negative IQ even mean anyway? It’s a normalised measure. Even if you were to increase everyone’s IQ by a certain amount, it would just be renormalised so the average IQ is still 100, as it must be by definition. We only care about how intelligent people are relative to each other, not in any absolute sense.
By Rich
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Potemkin wrote:What would a negative IQ even mean anyway? It’s a normalised measure.

Yes normalised at 15 points per standard deviation. So an IQ of 70 is 2 standard deviations down, 55 is 3. By my calculations if you're 6.67 sigma down that puts you with a negative IQ. An IQ of -5 should have the same rarity as an IQ of 205, at least if I have understood things correctly.
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QatzelOk wrote:This post - where you want an ex-president put in jail - would be much more "realistic" if it was written in Spanish, and if it was written in 1972.

Let's all admit that the last few US prez elections have been a choice between different organized crime families, and the next election is shaping up to be the same Crook-versus-Crook carnival of stupidities and distractions.

If Trump wins the next election from his cell, he will then throw the entire Biden family into Guantanamo for four years, until Hunter successfully rigs the following election and puts Trump's family (and dog) in jail... and so on.. and so on...
**Look at all those new high speed rail lines in China**


This is how absurd this has gotten, a possible jail cell presidency. No one has faced jail behavior in public for a presidency before. But there is the possibility that the USA has conservative Republican voters who want a jail cell president. because Jesus is using the Trump man for saving the US from liberal immorality and the Devil that is behind all liberal behaviors in the USA. The Devil loves that conman and Jesus loves the Gold Letter T in the Trump universe of cons and Trump university ripoffs and multi divorces and classified documents in Mar a lago bathrooms full of classified documents. The important thing is to have a rabid incompetent capitalistic freak president in charge of spiritual redemption in the USA. The important thing is to stop the gays and the black types from gaining power.

They want a white, Christian, pro Capitalist USA to be in power without opposition for all time, AMEN.

What is going to happen is that their agenda is going to implode that party and they will be stuck with Muslim Black conservatives and so on ethnics making all the decisions in the new fangled Republican dumb ass party and their white dreams of power are going to be buried for all time. But we can't all get what we want in this life can we?

Waiting for the second coming of Jesus does not guarantee racial purity and Christian power in this world. Not in a secular constitution and a secular government. They should know more about capitalist economics. It is not tied to religion or color or race. It is tied to economic expansion and control of all markets in every culture. If they studied that more they would be smarter about who the enemy is for their version of American life. But they are not.

Ignorance costs them a lot I would say. ;)
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Potemkin wrote:What would a negative IQ even mean anyway? It’s a normalised measure. Even if you were to increase everyone’s IQ by a certain amount, it would just be renormalised so the average IQ is still 100, as it must be by definition. We only care about how intelligent people are relative to each other, not in any absolute sense.


IQs are always about some group is supposedly more intelligent than another group. Usually either Europeans or Asians. because everyone knows the Indians, the Latin Americans and the Africans are low IQ people. In general. That is why they go the jobs that are appropriate for them. because they do not have the IQ. It is all bullshit in general Potemkin. If they really were worried about IQs they would get healthy foods and diets for all, great housing for all, great medical and dental attention for all, access to the best educations for all and so on for all. Then COMPARE after everyone has equal access to all resources and do a comparison of who should be the top ruling race or culture of the world. But while they deny that kind of equality who gives a FUCK about IQ? It is all about privileges. Wasting human potential with excuses of shit.

Reach equality first. Then talk about how IQ stacks up in the world. While you have people suffering from a large swath of deficiencies in diet, housing, education, clean water, medical attention and infrastructure and you still want them to compete with the privileges of the well heeled it is all a bunch of crap.
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Tainari88 wrote:This is how absurd this has gotten, a possible jail cell presidency. No one has faced jail behavior in public for a presidency before. But there is the possibility that the USA has conservative Republican voters who want a jail cell president. because Jesus is using the Trump man for saving the US from liberal immorality and the Devil that is behind all liberal behaviors in the USA. The Devil loves that conman and Jesus loves the Gold Letter T in the Trump universe of cons and Trump university ripoffs and multi divorces and classified documents in Mar a lago bathrooms full of classified documents. The important thing is to have a rabid incompetent capitalistic freak president in charge of spiritual redemption in the USA. The important thing is to stop the gays and the black types from gaining power.

They want a white, Christian, pro Capitalist USA to be in power without opposition for all time, AMEN.

What is going to happen is that their agenda is going to implode that party and they will be stuck with Muslim Black conservatives and so on ethnics making all the decisions in the new fangled Republican dumb ass party and their white dreams of power are going to be buried for all time. But we can't all get what we want in this life can we?

Waiting for the second coming of Jesus does not guarantee racial purity and Christian power in this world. Not in a secular constitution and a secular government. They should know more about capitalist economics. It is not tied to religion or color or race. It is tied to economic expansion and control of all markets in every culture. If they studied that more they would be smarter about who the enemy is for their version of American life. But they are not.

Ignorance costs them a lot I would say. ;)

As Marx pointed out, capitalism is a ruthlessly revolutionary force. It tears asunder all the ancient and revered ways of life, all the dearly held values, all the spiritual beliefs of the ages are ripped apart and scattered by the hurricane of capitalism. For American conservatives to chain themselves to the capitalist system is suicidal. It will destroy them, and it is destroying them, day by day in front of our eyes. Yet they cannot see it.
#15282739
@SpecialOlympian I think your Irish side came out on this quote of yours when debating with @Rich :

Step aside. The sun has set on the British Empire. Nobody cares, you fucktoothed bitch. Go fucking inbreed with your queen or whatever the fuck you tea drinking faggots do.


I kind of like Step aside. The sun has set on the British Empire.

I do agree the British need to accept they lost their Empire. It is about a lack of intelligence about what Empires imply. You can't be sucking out money and resources from many nations for all time with impunity. There does come a time for reckoning.

But, I did point out to Rich that where did the money go? Not to the British working class or middle classes. No. It was appropriated by the upper class and business financial merchant classes in Britain. They kept the gains and misused their funds and profits. Like the class conscious fools most of those members of the upper crust actually are. Do not blame the colonials or the ones they screwed over for kicking them out. Take responsibility for the failures of their choices like Brexit and carry on.

Stiff upper lip now...carry on and admit you lost big time with the Empire shit and thinking you got the world by the tail. If you allow abuse from the upper classes you deserve to get chaos. Be organized and be insistent on eliminating all that Royal monarchy crapola value system and move on to modern ways of equal rights for everyone.

Special Olympian the Irish does not have to come out once in a while. Lol. :D
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Potemkin wrote:As Marx pointed out, capitalism is a ruthlessly revolutionary force. It tears asunder all the ancient and revered ways of life, all the dearly held values, all the spiritual beliefs of the ages are ripped apart and scattered by the hurricane of capitalism. For American conservatives to chain themselves to the capitalist system is suicidal. It will destroy them, and it is destroying them, day by day in front of our eyes. Yet they cannot see it.


I have zero sympathy for these Christian fakers.

Christ had nothing to do with successful capitalists and the rich ruling the Earth. He was barefoot on the cross and the story is he wore a crown of thorns and was told he was a false king of the Jews. The Rabbis of Jerusalem were angry with him for being a rival to their dogmas and power, and he was treated like a threat and a common thief. Pontius Pilot crucified people for many reasons. He was one of many being tortured in public.

That American Christian dummies want Christ to represent successful business owners and millionaires with Gold T branding and be some pathological liar and rule the USA because he is white with a bad orange spray tan? Has nothing to do with Christ.

Christianity being associated with God approving of your life on Earth is something done by Calvin and the Protestant Ethic people who for me are a bunch of killjoys and bores. God approves of people according to work ethic, and denial of bling and beauty, and they have to horde money and be morose in mood all day....be miserable and never be happy. God loves misery and hording money and overworking and being drab. To hell with that Protestant Anglo interpretation of being a good Christian. It is horrible.

Distortion. Lies. They just don't want to face reality of what being a Christian implies. Poverty. Do not seek money grubbing hording crap. Work for the community and for your loved ones. Spend the money on beauty, fun and family and community. Enjoy your life. Give till it hurts and find joy in the simple things.

You do not need dogma for spiritual redemption. If they all loved more, excluded no one, never wanted to be on top or be the most powerful and be lording it over people worshipping nukes and bullshit? They would have a shot at being true Christians. Right now they are a bunch of pharisees and liars and hypocrites who betrayed the Christian faith a long time ago. The minute you value money above humans you betray it all.

It is interesting how many of them never got the message. What did the African slaves do to be captured and enslaved? Nothing. But you got to make money for the banks and the owners of slaves. Capitalism has to function. Got to be accused of what?

Christians like the Republican conservatives come up with excuses to excuse being true to their faith. The act of protecting others and giving and doing the work of being the best humans on Earth in behavior is too much of a challenge. So they have to lie their way out of such things. And that is what the Republican party and the Tories and every Right wing lying power play is about. Lack of accountability and lack of acting in their beliefs of supposedly being Christians. They are fakes Potemkin. That is their reality. Fake Christians bound for hell all of them. Unless they repent and become Lefties in ACTION. Lol.



There has always been a rift between lefties in the Roman Catholic church and the righties in the Roman Catholic church. Because the Right finds giving away money for the poor to be equals too challenging to do. They fail. They fail.

The end.
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Rich wrote:Yes normalised at 15 points per standard deviation. So an IQ of 70 is 2 standard deviations down, 55 is 3. By my calculations if you're 6.67 sigma down that puts you with a negative IQ. An IQ of -5 should have the same rarity as an IQ of 205, at least if I have understood things correctly.

Just goes to show that you can’t take IQ too seriously as a measure of intelligence (or, more properly speaking, competence at various cognitive tasks). For a start, it’s a normalised measure rather than an absolute measure, and for another it is not particularly useful. I can see the usefulness of passing exams or getting professional qualifications, but what is the point of taking an IQ test, other than for bragging rights?
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