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Liz Cheney, a leading Republican critic and antagonist of Donald Trump, has said she is considering mounting her own third-party candidacy for the White House, as part of her effort to thwart the former president from returning to the Oval Office.

In her most explicit public statements to date on a potential presidential run, Cheney told the Washington Post on Tuesday she would do “whatever it takes” to block a Trump return.

Cheney, the daughter of former Republican vice-president Dick Cheney, has previously floated the idea. But she had never explicitly stated if she was thinking of running as a semi-moderate Republican party candidate or would run as an independent.

“Several years ago, I would not have contemplated a third-party run,” Cheney said in the interview. “I happen to think democracy is at risk at home, obviously, as a result of Donald Trump’s continued grip on the Republican party, and I think democracy is at risk internationally as well.”

Cheney echoed that sentiment in remarks with USA Today. She said: “I certainly hope to play a role in helping to ensure that the country has … a new, fully conservative party. And so whether that means restoring the current Republican party, which looks like a very difficult if not impossible task, or setting up a new party, I do hope to be involved and engaged in that.”

Cheney added that she would make decision in the next few months, describing the threats facing the US as “existential”. She the country needed a candidate to “confront all of those challenges”, adding: “That will all be part of my calculation as we go into the early months of 2024.”

The former Wyoming congresswoman was speaking as part of a book tour promoting Oath and Honor: A Memoir and a Warning, which calls on the US to back pro-constitution candidates against what she describes as Trump enablers in Congress.

“Every one of us – Republican, Democrat, independent – must work and vote together to ensure that Donald Trump and those who have appeased, enabled, and collaborated with him are defeated,” she wrote, calling it “the cause of our time”.

With Trump 40 points ahead of 2024 Republican presidential primary challengers, she told the Post, the “tectonic plates of our politics are shifting”, upending conventional wisdom about third party candidates.

The primary system process that produces a single Republican and Democrat presidential nominee, Cheney added, is “pretty irrelevant, in my view, in the 2024 cycle, because the threat is so unique”.

If Cheney decides on a third-party run, she will join Robert F Kennedy Jr, Cornel West and Jill Stein. Other potential candidates include West Virginia’s soon-to-retire senator Joe Manchin, the former Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman, and ex-Maryland governor Larry Hogan.

In a Harvard CAPS-Harris survey in November, Kennedy led the declared pack in terms of favorability at 52%. Kennedy scored higher than the runner-up Trump, at 51%, and Joe Biden, at 46%.

“Robert Kennedy has positioned himself to appeal to members of both parties, though it is unclear how much of his ratings are from in depth knowledge of Kennedy versus his popular family name,” Mark Penn, co-director of the Harvard Caps-Harris Poll, told the Hill.


Lots of third party runs next year
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That's if all or any of them could even gain ballot access here in states such as Ohio , in the first place . https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/12/03/2024-presidential-race-why-ohio-is-tough-for-third-party-candidates/71608716007/ , [urlhttps://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_parties_in_Ohio [/url]
I feel that it would be good , if someone like Trump or Desantis were to be the Republican nominee , if someone on the right , such as Liz Cheney were to launch an independent challenge . If nothing else , it should counter-balance out the votes that such left-wing candidates as Stein and West might garner , so that Democrats cannot rightly blame those such as potentially myself for voting for a spoiler , although they just might anyway, as they did in 2016 , when I voted for Jill Stein. But no , while I take nothing for granted , I predict that Nikki Haley will be the Republican candidate , and as I reside in Ohio , in all likelihood , I as a registered Democrat shall end up voting for Cenk Uygur , in the primary election , and then Biden in the general. At any rate , whether or not Haley secures the nomination , it shall be return of the neocons . As the Republican establishment is not going to give up its prominent position of influence without a fight . In both major parties , I feel that it shall come down to the old guard versus the young Turks . It will remain to be seen which political forces in America will prevail in the end . https://reason.com/2023/05/07/will-2024-bring-the-return-of-the-neocons/ , https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/bulwark-weekly-standard-778709/ But especially younger voters , such as Gen Z , and arguably also Millennials , such as myself , are fed up with being taken for granted , and demand that our voices be heard and heeded . https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/politics/young-voters-joe-biden-georgia-2024/index.html , https://www.npr.org/2023/11/26/1215298017/what-young-voters-want-in-2024
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Deutschmania wrote:That's if all or any of them could even gain ballot access here in states such as Ohio , in the first place . https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/12/03/2024-presidential-race-why-ohio-is-tough-for-third-party-candidates/71608716007/ , [urlhttps://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_parties_in_Ohio [/url]
I feel that it would be good , if someone like Trump or Desantis were to be the Republican nominee , if someone on the right , such as Liz Cheney were to launch an independent challenge . If nothing else , it should counter-balance out the votes that such left-wing candidates as Stein and West might garner , so that Democrats cannot rightly blame those such as potentially myself for voting for a spoiler , although they just might anyway, as they did in 2016 , when I voted for Jill Stein. But no , while I take nothing for granted , I predict that Nikki Haley will be the Republican candidate , and as I reside in Ohio , in all likelihood , I as a registered Democrat shall end up voting for Cenk Uygur , in the primary election , and then Biden in the general. At any rate , whether or not Haley secures the nomination , it shall be return of the neocons . As the Republican establishment is not going to give up its prominent position of influence without a fight . In both major parties , I feel that it shall come down to the old guard versus the young Turks . It will remain to be seen which political forces in America will prevail in the end . https://reason.com/2023/05/07/will-2024-bring-the-return-of-the-neocons/ , https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/bulwark-weekly-standard-778709/ But especially younger voters , such as Gen Z , and arguably also Millennials , such as myself , are fed up with being taken for granted , and demand that our voices be heard and heeded . https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/politics/young-voters-joe-biden-georgia-2024/index.html , https://www.npr.org/2023/11/26/1215298017/what-young-voters-want-in-2024


I voted for Jill Stein a while back. I voted for candidates that never win. But not anymore. In Mexico if I get my citizenship in time to vote in the Mexican elections I will be voting for Claudia Scheinbaum the present mayor of Mexico City. A scientist and a real leftist. Socialist woman president to be of Mexico. 2024. Probably the first time I will have ever voted for a socialist that wins a presidential seat!

It will be emotional for me if I get to vote for the first woman and socialist president that is a scientist professor of great intellect and to think she might be the first of the firsts.

Here she is talking about Guerrero state. She is great!

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Rancid wrote:Will the third parties hurt the Trumptard party significantly?


Will you move out of the USA if Trump wins the presidency and runs the US from jail? That is the big question.

Him making speeches from prison and Melania hiding out in Manhattan with Baron. Denying she is the first lady. Giving up on a private life for herself. While Stormy Daniels gives updates on his personal private parts on HULU TV.

You, say to yourself, how has this happened? Why has this happened? How could this happen?

And my answer to you was....you had the power to stop it. But you did not do it Rancid. You rejected some Mormons who told you about Joseph Smith and the Magic underwear in Texas and you did not answer the call!!

That was the reason why Trump won. You did not convert to Mormonism!! You unbeliever! INFIDEL!! :lol: :lol:

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Rancid wrote:Will the third parties hurt the Trumptard party significantly?


Trump is not going to be the president. A republican like Trump might be but not Trump.

Did you not notice that his own party mostly hates him. To the point of using his own tactics to sabotage him. This tactic is what Trump wanted to do to the Republicans unless they gave him the candidacy to get it last time.
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JohnRawls wrote:
Trump is not going to be the president. A republican like Trump might be but not Trump.

Did you not notice that his own party mostly hates him. To the point of using his own tactics to sabotage him. This tactic is what Trump wanted to do to the Republicans unless they gave him the candidacy to get it last time.


You don't live in America...

Americans are fucking stupid. He has a big chance at getting elected.

We have a lot of fucking morons.
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Rancid wrote:You don't live in America...

Americans are fucking stupid. He has a big chance at getting elected.

We have a lot of fucking morons.

@JohnRawls worships America from afar, @Rancid. Distance always makes everything look better. :)
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Rancid wrote:You don't live in America...

Americans are fucking stupid. He has a big chance at getting elected.

We have a lot of fucking morons.

Biden's war of destruction against Russia seems pretty moronic to me. A much bigger percentage of MAGA people see to have the intelligence and wisdom to question this. Is Trump perfect? Of course not, but he seems the best chance of a rational balanced policy towards Russia. I also notice that MAGA people are more likely to have the intelligence to question the omnipotent power that Liberals want to give to the Pharmaceutical industrial complex.

A lot of Liberals seem so moronic that they actually believe that Trump would overthrow democracy if he got a second term. Trump certainly likes talk in an authoritarian fascistic manner. He loved to talk about sending Hilary to jail. Not the sort of talk I ever condoned. It was unfortunate that Trump chose to ape the Liberal morons that called for Bush and Blair to be sent to prison. Th moronity of these Liberals just beggars belief, the idea the foreign policy, wars and interventions can be decided through the courts. And yet you still get these morons who think that international conflicts can be adjudicated by the ICC.

How ever Trump's talk of sending political opponents to jail was just that, talk. Trump did precisely zero in four years to institute a fascist regime. It is his Liberal opponents who really believe in imprisoning their political opponents. It is his Liberal opponents who want to replace elections with show trials.
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Rich wrote:
Biden's war of destruction against Russia seems pretty moronic to me. A much bigger percentage of MAGA people see to have the intelligence and wisdom to question this. Is Trump perfect? Of course not, but he seems the best chance of a rational balanced policy towards Russia. I also notice that MAGA people are more likely to have the intelligence to question the omnipotent power that Liberals want to give to the Pharmaceutical industrial complex.

A lot of Liberals seem so moronic that they actually believe that Trump would overthrow democracy if he got a second term. Trump certainly likes talk in an authoritarian fascistic manner. He loved to talk about sending Hilary to jail. Not the sort of talk I ever condoned. It was unfortunate that Trump chose to ape the Liberal morons that called for Bush and Blair to be sent to prison. Th moronity of these Liberals just beggars belief, the idea the foreign policy, wars and interventions can be decided through the courts. And yet you still get these morons who think that international conflicts can be adjudicated by the ICC.

How ever Trump's talk of sending political opponents to jail was just that, talk. Trump did precisely zero in four years to institute a fascist regime. It is his Liberal opponents who really believe in imprisoning their political opponents. It is his Liberal opponents who want to replace elections with show trials.



This forum needs more comedy relief, thanks.
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Potemkin wrote:@JohnRawls worships America from afar, @Rancid. Distance always makes everything look better. :)


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was I wrong about Trump and then Biden? :D
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late wrote:This forum needs more comedy relief, thanks.

@Rich is basically just saying that Trump is a blowhard. Which is clearly true. Killary isn’t in jail yet, and America isn’t yet Great Again. Even his ‘coup’ fizzled out when Trump abandoned his deluded followers.
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Potemkin wrote:@Rich is basically just saying that Trump is a blowhard. Which is clearly true. Killary isn’t in jail yet, and America isn’t yet Great Again. Even his ‘coup’ fizzled out when Trump abandoned his deluded followers.


Well the "coup" also failed because he didn't have the support of the military apparatus.
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Rancid wrote:No, but the saga isn't over. Trump, and most over, Republicans are hell bent on turning the US into even more of an authoritarian shithole.


Riddle me this Rancid. If Republicans are power hungry then how would an autocrat/dictator help them be in power?
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JohnRawls wrote:Riddle me this Rancid. If Republicans are power hungry then how would an autocrat/dictator help them be in power?


You don't think Republicans are power hungry? They have tilted the whole system in a way that gives them disproportionate power even though they are not as popular (gerry mandering, giving rural regions crazy amounts of power compared to cities, gutting anything that helps people that wouldn't vote for them).

Of course they are fucking power hungry. They don't care to help Americans, they just want to be rulers.

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