[wat0n]

No, it is not. You just can't deal with the evidence you don't like, hence your dismissal of it as "propaganda" and your dishonest claims that one is "misreading".

[skinster]

The lengths that the pro-genocide crowd will go to try to justify things like the IOF attacking hospitals...

Indeed. The news coming out of Shifa hospital today following the end of its siege by Israeli terrorist forces is beyond horrific. Israelis though will be celebrating it and every other attack on Gaza's hospitals because...you know, totally normal country with totally normal people in it.

@late those protests are way overblown. I've seen a couple already and there's always few people attending, despite living in a large and traditionally progressive city.

Here are some of the U.S. protests for Gaza over the weekend:

San Francisco


NYC




LA


Vermont


Chicago


Portland

[wat0n]

Not even 5,000 combined in those pics.

Which is why their nonsense has had little weight in the Dem primaries.

[skinster]

30,000 on the streets of NYC on Saturday, but okay.

And the denial about it affecting the Dems is mere delusion because anyone paying attention has seen what damage the Dems defence of the genocide has resulted in so far.

[wat0n]

What damage have the Democrats suffered, exactly? Again, it did not register in their own primaries in any significant way, and it's not like Republican and Independent voters care about this whole thing either.

[skinster]

What damage have the Democrats suffered, exactly? Again, it did not register in their own primaries in any significant way, and it's not like Republican and Independent voters care about this whole thing either.

There was a whole other thread on it about the uncommitted votes and such. The very low polling numbers for the Dems pre an election. 75% of Democrat voters oppose the genocide in Gaza. The constant disruptions/protests whenever any Dems speak anywhere. Biden is even pretending to being supportive of those protesting as he plays the good-cop-bad-cop game on Israel.

More can be read about that here.

[wat0n]

The low polling numbers predate the current war

I doubt many Dem voters will decide to stay home so Trump can win.

[skinster]

The low polling numbers predate the current war

Source?

[wat0n]

You can always check 538:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... d=abcpromo

[skinster]

All those uncommitted voters will show the Democrats in the next election that defending a genocide is bad for them.

[Pants-of-dog]

The UN special rapporteur on the right to food, Michael Fakhri, said earlier this month “There is no doubt that this is genocide and that this is a campaign and intentional campaign of starvation by Israel against the Palestinian people in Gaza.”

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/all- ... rwa-chief/

That makes at least two UN special rapporteurs who have used the word “genocide”.

[skinster]

^ Anyone who has eyes and isn't a liar knows this is a genocide. It began in 1948 and escalated significantly five months ago.

[KurtFF8]

Not even 5,000 combined in those pics.

Which is why their nonsense has had little weight in the Dem primaries.

The cope here is almost sad. Or at least it would be if it wasn't in defense of genocide.

[wat0n]

The cope here is almost sad. Or at least it would be if it wasn't in defense of genocide.

I guess that's why Biden has won the Dem primaries with 80%+ of the vote, is it?

Cope hard

[KurtFF8]

I guess that's why Biden has won the Dem primaries with 80%+ of the vote, is it?

Cope hard

Nice change of subject, but you randomly brought up the primaries in response to a post that was not about the primaries. Also we've been over this. By your own accounting, the uncommitted votes are increasing. Biden absolutely has something to worry about these in swing states.

Supporting an actual genocide was a bad political move to say the least, and it may help cost Biden the election.

[wat0n]

Nice change of subject, but you randomly brought up the primaries in response to a post that was not about the primaries. Also we've been over this. By your own accounting, the uncommitted votes are increasing. Biden absolutely has something to worry about these in swing states.

We also went through this.

The "uncommitted" option hasn't done significantly different from the last time it was an option in a Dem primary with an incumbent President on the ballot, and if we go by the swing states then one can't just ignore the pro-Israel Dem vote there either.

Supporting an actual genocide was a bad political move to say the least, and it may help cost Biden the election.

What is an actual bad political move is to falsely calling a genocide, supporting mass rapists and mass murderers and also associating in any way with people like these guys:

[KurtFF8]

We also went through this.

The "uncommitted" option hasn't done significantly different from the last time it was an option in a Dem primary with an incumbent President on the ballot, and if we go by the swing states then one can't just ignore the pro-Israel Dem vote there either.

Not to rehash this, but you're wrong about this. The uncommitted option did worse in all the examples you provided previously.

[wat0n]

...By 3% or so, hardly enough to have any major electoral effects.

[KurtFF8]

...By 3% or so, hardly enough to have any major electoral effects.

In swing states: major electoral effects.

[wat0n]

The only swing state where this could have an effect is Michigan. The same state where a Republican Representative said Gaza should be just nuked.

Contrast it to Pennsylvania and Georgia, where taking an anti-Israel stance can lead many to vote Trump or stay home, and each of which has more weight in the Electoral College than Michigan. Even Jews alone far outnumber Arabs/Muslims in both states, Biden's wins were narrow and Jews have traditionally voted Dem (so the loss would be of likely Dem voters).

If Biden loses, it won't be because of this but likely immigration and the economy. Although he can perfectly win due to never Trump Republicans and also many voters for him solely based on abortion.