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Joe Biden has withdrawn from the race for the US presidency, an extraordinary decision upending American politics, that plunges the Democratic nomination into uncertainty just months before the November election against Donald Trump, a candidate he has warned is an existential threat to US democracy.

“While it has been my intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of my term,” Biden said in a letter announcing his decision.

Biden thanked the vice-president, Kamala Harris, in his letter, but did not endorse her as his successor on the ticket. He said he planned to speak to the nation in more detail later this week.


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I agree with the points raised in the below video . And in addition I feel that the presumptive nominee Kamala Harris must make it a priority to bring together the fractured Democratic party , and especially to put forward a solid plan for peace , both in Gaza , as well as in the Donbass . If she can make a sincere effort to reassure even more maverick Democratic voters , such as myself , then she has got my vote , which will be crucial in such swing states as my home state of Ohio .


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Deutschmania wrote:I agree with the points raised in the below video . And in addition I feel that the presumptive nominee Kamala Harris must make it a priority to bring together the fractured Democratic party , and especially to put forward a solid plan for peace , both in Gaza , as well as in the Donbass . If she can make a sincere effort to reassure even more maverick Democratic voters , such as myself , then she has got my vote , which will be crucial in such swing states as my home state of Ohio .




That will be a big challenge. Historically, the democrats are more like a coalition of factions than a single unified party (which Republicans are). For this reason, it's easier for Republicans to exploit these differences within the party to cause chaos so that Republicans end up winning.

When everyone is in disagreement it makes it easier for MAGA dipshits to raise. It's time to unify and stop the traitors over in the Republican party. Democrats are shit, but MAGA-Trump-Traitors are far far more disastrous for the future.

If you care about Women's rights, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about clean water and clean air, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about LGBT+ rights, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about education, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about voting rights, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about the border, don't vote for MAGA. Remember TRUMP tanked that bill. A bill that gave republicans nearly everything they wanted. Instead, they played politics rather than serving the people. You don't want a party that uses the border as a political tool like that.

If you care about the economy (posted it here how economists see Trump as worse, but yet, people here ignore it), don't vote for MAGA. This is one where pro-MAGA jackasses are totally fucking gone on.

If you are against the overthrow of the government, don't vote for MAGA.

The list goes on and on as to why not to vote for Trump/MAGA.

Dump this piece of shit Trump, and say no to MAGA in the Spineless Republican party


Also, WRT to Gaza, even if the Democrats policies aren't up to snuff, why the fuck would anyone think having Trump in power would help Gaza? "Finish them off" remember that has come from the Republican party. No matter how disappointed you might be on Gaza, it would be foolish to not vote at all, or to vote for Trump.

People need to realize they need to vote for incremental gains. Even if the democrat party isn't your party (it's not mine), you have to try and move the needle in the direction you want it to go.

Get over the fucking stupid squabbles about how old someone is or isn't, and realize there's much more at stake here with a traitor like Trump. There's a bigger problem here than one issue there, or one issue here.
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Rancid wrote:That will be a big challenge. Historically, the democrats are more like a coalition of factions than a single unified party (which Republicans are). For this reason, it's easier for Republicans to exploit these differences within the party to cause chaos so that Republicans end up winning.

When everyone is in disagreement it makes it easier for MAGA dipshits to raise. It's time to unify and stop the traitors over in the Republican party. Democrats are shit, but MAGA-Trump-Traitors are far far more disastrous for the future.

If you care about Women's rights, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about clean water and clean air, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about clean LGBT+ rights, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about education, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about voting rights, don't vote for MAGA.

If you care about the border, don't vote for MAGA. Remember TRUMP tanked that bill. A bill that gave republicans nearly everything they wanted. Instead, they played politics rather than serving the people. You don't want a party that uses the border as a political tool like that.

If you care about the economy (posted it here how economists see Trump as worse, but yet, people here ignore it), don't vote for MAGA. This is one where pro-MAGA jackasses are totally fucking gone on.

If you are against the overthrow of the government, don't vote for MAGA.

The list goes on and on as to why not to vote for Trump/MAGA.

Dump this piece of shit Trump, and say no to MAGA in the Spineless Republican party


Also, WRT to Gaza, even if the Democrats policies aren't up to snuff, why the fuck would anyone think having Trump in power would help Gaza? "Finish them off" remember that has come from the Republican party. No matter how disappointed you might be on Gaza, it would be foolish to not vote at all, or to vote for Trump.

People need to realize they need to vote for incremental gains. Even if the democrat party isn't your party (it's not mine), you have to try and move the needle in the direction you want it to go.

Get over the fucking stupid squabbles about how old someone is or isn't, and realize there's much more at stake here with a traitor like Trump. There's a bigger problem here than one issue there, or one issue here.


Will Rogers put it best . It's just as true now as it was then .

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Obama and Pelosi are not immediately backing Harris, following reports last week that both favored an “open” process to replace Biden. An “open” process to replace Biden means that Democratic voters will be disenfranchised and party leaders such as Obama and Pelosi will pick the Democratic nominee. A recent poll showed that Trump was +5% against Harris. It was Pelosi who orchestrated the bloody coup against the sitting president, who grudgingly pulled out of the race at gunpoint.

There was a stark warning from Democrat heavyweight Nancy Pelosi, the former Speaker of the House.

She had orchestrated a behind-the-scenes campaign to convince Mr Biden to withdraw from the contest – and her patience was fast running out.

“Nancy made clear that they could do this the easy way or the hard way,” one Democrat familiar with how events at the weekend panned out told Politico. “She gave them three weeks of the easy way. It was about to be the hard way.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics ... -his-mind/
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Pelosi endorses Harris...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/22 ... s-election

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday endorsed Kamala Harris to replace President Biden at the top of the Democratic ticket, calling her “brilliantly astute” and saying that she is the best person to defeat former President Donald J. Trump in the fall.

“It is with immense pride and limitless optimism for our country’s future that I endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president of the United States,” Ms. Pelosi wrote in a statement. “My enthusiastic support for Kamala Harris for president is official, personal and political.”
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Hakeer wrote:Can this country elect a black woman president?

The polls say that she will lose some of Biden’s white male voters. I didn’t need a poll to tell me that.

Considering the opponent, I would rather test that hypothesis in 2028.


But will those White males vote Trump? That's what scares me. I wish they could force Trump to step down.
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MistyTiger wrote:But will those White males vote Trump? That's what scares me. I wish they could force Trump to step down.


Who knows? They might just stay home. My sister is a Republican but also a “Never Trump” person. The last Democrat she voted for was Jimmy Carter. Her solution in 2020 was to stay home. She said she’s doing it again.
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Hakeer wrote:Who knows? They might just stay home. My sister is a Republican but also a “Never Trump” person. The last Democrat she voted for was Jimmy Carter. Her solution in 2020 was to stay home. She said she’s doing it again.


I understand the vote refusal attitude. I don't like the candidates. But with my vote, I want to use it against scumbags like Trump. I despise the fakers. He's not a Republican. He should be barred due to his convicted felon status. That's awful. I don't want a criminal as president.
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Hakeer wrote:Can this country elect a black woman president?

The polls say that she will lose some of Biden’s white male voters. I didn’t need a poll to tell me that.

Considering the opponent, I would rather test that hypothesis in 2028.


I sympathize with your concerns about racist attitudes among the population... It would be disturbing, indeed, if race got in the way of electing a charismatic, qualified, intelligent politician who had also shown their skill by performing well in the debates and outlining a good plan for the country that was uniting and not divisive... (Maybe this even already happened in 2004 & 2008 but IDK... Debatable?!)

... But let me also tell you that Kamala Harris doesn't fit taht description, lol...

I would not blame race at all if Kamala lost this one.

Hell, if a very qualified black female lost to Trump after he survived an assassination attempt and the relatively disastrous foreign policy of Biden and mismanagement of the border was felt, I would not necessarily think race is such a big factor in it, either.

But it's a factor that you'd want to point to to avoid taking responsibility for such a shit party that the Democrats are.
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She didn’t exactly run a brilliant presidential campaign for herself in the 2020 Democratic primary. We will soon see whether she can do better this time. She can begin by picking Shapiro as her VP.

I don’t think Jesus could give us a plan to unite this country in 4 months, so that’s asking a lot. I’d say she has more intelligence than charisma, but I don’t consider that disqualifying. As for formal qualifications, she has been California Attorney General, U.S. Senator, and U.S. Vice President. That’s way more than some others, including Trump in 2016.

As for “shit party”, it takes one to nominate Trump again after all the unethical and criminal behavior he clearly displayed for 4 years. He richly deserved the two impeachments, giant civil lawsuits, and criminal indictments/felony convictions.
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Verv wrote:I would not blame race at all if Kamala lost this one.

Hell, if a very qualified black female lost to Trump after he survived an assassination attempt and the relatively disastrous foreign policy of Biden and mismanagement of the border was felt, I would not necessarily think race is such a big factor in it, eithe


Who is 'qualified' if Harris isn't?

Hakeer wrote:She didn’t exactly run a brilliant presidential campaign for herself in the 2020 Democratic primary.


Primary elections reward ideological purity. Harris was a 'meh moderate' candidate and a former AG in a 'defund the police' primary environment. Not the progressive bona fides of Warren or Sanders, and the moderate vote split between Biden, Buttigieg, and others. She wa a meh candidate for the primary, but this doesn't mean much in the general election as long the party isn't divided - which doesn't appear to be - and she can turn out the base while appealing to moderates - both of which, initially polls suggest, she can do. Like Biden in 2020, she's no one's first choice, which would lead to poor primary performance, but I think a lot of folks think the Democrats hate her, which I don't see.

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