[noemon]

Erdogan has put out a statement today claiming that:

"Turkiye has now cut all official ties with Israel"

Israeli officials responded that their Embassy in Turkey is still operational as is the Turkish Embassy in Israel.

What does Erdogan mean exactly, I'm not sure.

So let's see what transpires in the next few days.

[Negotiator]

Honestly took him long enough.

[noemon]

Erdogan pretended to sever ties with Israel days before the Ottoman Jihadi offensive in Syria in coordination with Israel.

[Potemkin]

You called this one correctly, @noemon. Erdogan was just providing himself with political cover for the present operation in Syria, which of course he knew was coming and which required (secret) collaboration with Israel. Erdogan, just like Trump, has his own ‘MAGA’ support base to keep snowed.

[litwin]

Erdogan has put out a statement today claiming that:

"Turkiye has now cut all official ties with Israel"

Israeli officials responded that their Embassy in Turkey is still operational as is the Turkish Embassy in Israel.

What does Erdogan mean exactly, I'm not sure.

So let's see what transpires in the next few days.

Turkey and Israel work together in " Syria"

Israel's Channel 12 reports that Israeli aviation have struck Assad regime chemical weapons depots to prevent them from falling into the hands of Syrian rebels.
Israel has informed Iran via a third country that it will "extremely toughly" stop any attempt to send weapons or troops to Syria, — Israeli channel i24News

https://x.com/TreasChest/status/1865172180830502981

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/18 ... _&ref_url=

ps
"Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis"

[litwin]

You called this one correctly, @noemon. Erdogan was just providing himself with political cover for the present operation in Syria, which of course he knew was coming and which required (secret) collaboration with Israel. Erdogan, just like Trump, has his own ‘MAGA’ support base to keep snowed.

Assad falling means that the Islamic Regime in Iran and the IRGC won’t be able to smuggle weapons to Hezbollah in Lebanon through Iraq and Syria anymore.
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1865383188995957017

[noemon]

The jihadis will now control the entire coast from Turkey to Lebanon and Libya so no need to transfer anything, when they grow strong enough they will bite those that fed them. At which point it will be too late for Israel.

Israel has been accustomed fighting former Ottoman minions colonised and served to it on a platter by the European WW victors, it has never had to fight the Sultan or any actually organised state.

Next stop for these Ottoman proxies will be Haftar in Libya.

You got to give it to Erdogan, he genocided Armenian Artsakh without a peep being made, by the time he was in and out, the press had not even reported him even going in yet, he took over Libya whose government is run with Turkish money.

He organised a blitz in Syria. He got the Greek government to support a Turk as president of the OECD. He got Europeans sending their weapons to Ukraine and then he got Zelensky to send those weapons to the Syrian jihadists.

Once he completes the pieces of encirclment, he will then go for the prize to assume the position of Sultan.

[annatar1914]

You called this one correctly, @noemon. Erdogan was just providing himself with political cover for the present operation in Syria, which of course he knew was coming and which required (secret) collaboration with Israel. Erdogan, just like Trump, has his own ‘MAGA’ support base to keep snowed.

@Potemkin :

These people are not above alliances with an enemy in order to dispose of another, both knowing that eventually they'll have to come to blows. Or so they'll tell their supporters, likening this to the situation with Poland, Germany, and the Soviet Union before September 1939. Syria being hapless Poland in this scenario.

I have to look at this dialectically my friend, Baathism will not survive, nor Khoemeinism. Ultimately both rest on too narrow a foundation in the Middle East and elsewhere for broader and more organic a support.

[Rich]

So I'm not sure what the Jews achieved (or perpetrated depending on your perspective) in the 1950s and early 1960s in terms of ethnic cleansing within Israel, but I think generally we can say that post 1949, the Israelis have been pretty poor at ethnic cleansing, let alone genocide. Yes they've been very good at ethnic infiltration, of building Jewish settlements in Arab areas, but they don't seem to have been very good at cleansing any significant size are of Arabs, not even Jerusalem their capital. The right wing Zionists have seemed to lack any credible long term plan to achieve their Eretz Israel.

Is that about to, or in the process of changing? If it is the Israeli government may feel it needs an environment with much higher levels of violence conflict, war, ethnic cleansing and maybe even genocide, in which actions that were previously unacceptable become acceptable. The ethnic cleansing of the Sudetenland was just not possible in the nineteen thirties. But in the chaos of the second world war and its aftermath many things became possible.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union the Assad's have been caught in a catch 22. Their support for Hezbollah makes them an enemy of Israel. Without their support for Hezbollah, Israel would not care what the Assad's got up to in Syria. Being a prime enemy of Israel on Israel's border is a very bad idea. However their alliance with the Iranian Islamic Republic has been vital for their survival. Its because of the Tehran regime that the Assad's haven't gone the way of the Qaddafis. After the 1991 uprising had been put down, the Saddam regime was pretty secure. It was almost certainly going to require an invasion by the US or Iran to remove them. The Syrian regime is much more vulnerable.