[noemon]

@Rei Murasame follows him too.

[annatar1914]

https://twitter.com/noemonas/status/1870421209558479152




@Rei Murasame follows him too.

@noemon :

So another of a type like Anders Breivik? What a shame, what idiocy.

[ThirdTerm]

The suspect is a doctor from Saudi Arabia who has been living in Germany since 2006. Saxony-Anhalt's interior minister revealed that the suspect was a man in his 50s with permanent residence permit. It's hard to understand why he became a jihadist without a refugee background but he is an AfD supporter who seems to have a serious mental issue. Germany's harsh integration policy could have triggered it. To become a permanent resident, Muslims in Germany must support Israel and deny their cultural heritage.

German police arrested a 50-year-old doctor from Saudi Arabia who they believe rammed a car into a bustling Christmas market in Magdeburg, which killed two people and left 68 others injured. According to his social media profile, Taleb A, the suspect, is an ex-Muslim, a harsh critic of Islam, and supports Alternative for Germany (AfD), a far-right German political party, which has an anti-immigration stance. Taleb has been living in Germany since 2006 and is a resident of the eastern state of Saxony-Anhalt, where Magdeburg is located, regional premier Reiner Haseloff said. Taleb was a specialist in psychiatry and psychotherapy and that he acted alone in the attack.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/g ... 2024-12-21

[Rich]

So Liberal is a term with a multitude of meanings, but I often use it for someone with profoundly illiberal or fascistic instincts. I see Scholz has vowed the full force of the law in this case. To my mind this is an extremely strange thing for the head of government to say. I thought Germany was supposed to be a Liberal Democracy, where the legal system is independent of the government. That the politicians set the laws, but then the legal system independently implements this in individual cases. Scholtz seems to have fascistic view of jurisprudence, more at home with legal theory of the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

[JohnRawls]

Water is wet, political radicals conducting terrorist attacks, at this point this ain't anything new, be it religious radical, left or right wing radical or any other form of radical or fundamentalist.

With the right radicalism being on the rise, obviously there will be more right radical attacks. Left radicalism is on the decline in Europe or US so their numbers will be less. Religious radicalism(Any sort) is not going anywhere.

[annatar1914]

Seems there might be more to the story:

https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870 ... re-complex

[Pants-of-dog]

Water is wet, political radicals conducting terrorist attacks, at this point this ain't anything new, be it religious radical, left or right wing radical or any other form of radical or fundamentalist.

With the right radicalism being on the rise, obviously there will be more right radical attacks. Left radicalism is on the decline in Europe or US so their numbers will be less. Religious radicalism(Any sort) is not going anywhere.

There seems to be no evidence he was radical.

As a Zionist, he was firmly within the western mainstream political establishment.

[Rich]

Seems there might be more to the story:

https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870 ... re-complex

Its funny, but an hour or two back I was wondering whether he could be a Shia. The Liberal media has little to say about Saudi oppression of the Shia, and even less to say about them having any right to self determination. They're kind of an inconvenience that doesn't fit well with Judophillic or Islamophiilic narratives.

[JohnRawls]

There seems to be no evidence he was radical.

As a Zionist, he was firmly within the western mainstream political establishment.

He has Saudi militaristic opposition right in his description while support heavy right wing parties and being heavily anti-Muslim? How is that not radical?

[Pants-of-dog]

He has Saudi militaristic opposition right in his description

Many people are opposed to Saudi Arabia because SA is full of religious radicals and the people opposing the country are religious moderates

while support heavy right wing parties and being heavily anti-Muslim? How is that not radical?

And many moderates support the anti-Islamic views of the AdF.

Approximately one in two Germans are Islamophobic.

[JohnRawls]

Many people are opposed to Saudi Arabia because SA is full of religious radicals and the people opposing the country are religious moderates



And many moderates support the anti-Islamic views of the AdF.

Approximately one in two Germans are Islamophobic.

Are there even moderates in militaristic opposition to something, come on. By definition being militaristic is already very radical.

[Pants-of-dog]

Are there even moderates in militaristic opposition to something, come on. By definition being militaristic is already very radical.

No. You are confusing militarism with radicalism.

Radicals, in this sense, are people outside the political mainstream. This is not synonymous with militants.

Militants are those who feel justified using violence to support their ideology. This is not limited to radicals but also includes centrists, liberals (in the traditional sense), and others.

This person seems to be a militant advocate of some very mainstream policies in Germany, including Islamophobia and opposition to theocratic regimes.

[noemon]

[Deutschmania]

The lunatics are ending up running the asylum . This is only the second time that some psychiatrist from a Muslim background has gone on a killing spree. The first that I recall was that of Nidal Hasan . I'd have thought that of all people they'd know the signs of irrational thought patterns .

Taleb Jawad al-Abdulmohsen had been living in Germany since 2006 and practised as a psychiatrist in the town of Bernburg, near Magdeburg. He had no known links to jihadists.

Abdulmohsen was arrested in the car used for the attack, and is suspected of deliberately ploughing into the crowd of Christmas revellers in northern Germany on Friday night, killing five and injuring more than 200.

The ramming came eight years to the day after a similar attack on a Christmas market in Berlin that killed 13 people.

The authorities in Germany said the date was not a coincidence, although they have not said it was an Islamist attack.

On social media, Abdulmohsen portrayed himself as a victim of persecution who had renounced Islam and decried what he said was the Islamisation of Germany.

He came from a Shiite family in the village of Hofuf in the predominantly Shiite province of al-Ahsa, in the east of Saudi Arabia.

He arrived in Germany in 2006 and was granted refugee status 10 years later, according to German media and a Saudi activist.

Abdulmohsen lived and worked in the region of Saxony-Anhalt, whose capital Magdeburg is 130 kilometres (80 miles) west of Berlin.

In an interview with the German newspaper Frankfurter Rundschau several years ago, he said he had been threatened with death for apostasy.

In an unpublished interview with AFP from 2022 for an unrelated story, Abdulmohsen presented himself as "a Saudi atheist", and said that young Saudis were not only fleeing the government but "are fleeing Islam".

"Strict Islamic upbringing is the cause of all the problems of Muslims, especially women," he said.

Some media outlets have reported links between Abdulmohsen and the far-right in Germany. He was well-known in the Saudi diaspora in the country and helped asylum seekers, particularly women.

"He is a psychologically disturbed person with an exaggerated sense of self-importance," Taha Al-Hajji, legal director of the Berlin-based European Saudi Organisation for Human Rights, told AFP.

"This is definitely not an Islamist-motivated attack," he added.

Hajji said Abdulmohsen was "a pariah" among the Saudi community in Germany, despite his work with asylum seekers.

Last August, he posted on social media: "Is there a path to justice in Germany without blowing up a German embassy or randomly slaughtering German citizens? I have been seeking a peaceful path since January 2019 and have not found it. If anyone knows it, please let me know."

In the post, he condemned what he called "the crimes committed by Germany against Saudi refugees and the obstruction of justice, no matter how much evidence was presented to them". https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241221-the-atheist-saudi-refugee-suspected-of-germany-attack

[annatar1914]

More sordid angle to this story:

https://x.com/Salansar1/status/1870382338040848634

[Rich]

We humans are very social creatures, so in a sense we are very conformist creatures. We humans will support and take part in immense amounts of politically motivated violence, both through the state and outside of the state. But politcal violence is nearly always conducted as part of a group. Even where have you have a clearly established ideologies like Al Qaeda and Islamic State, its actually quite difficult to get individuals, to self organise political violence, to be self starter "terrorists" without direct contact with the group. I always think its amazing how we had immense politically motivated violence from the Germans and Japanese during World War 2 and then after the defeat virtually nothing. The amount of violent resistance to the new regimes was incredibly low.

So individuals can be very violent individually. Over the years we have seen many, many serial killers, but virtually none of them are motivated by politcal /religious / ideological concerns. its virtually always motivated by sexual perversion of some kind. The Ted Kaczynskis of this world are very rare. Now I don't support the actions of the Unabomber, but I have great difficulty seeing him as having some exceptional immorality. He had political / social / ideological issues and decided that they were serious enough to justify the use of lethal violence. I can't see him as any more immoral than an average Sinn Fein voter in the 1980s, or a supporter of sanctions against Iraq in the nineteen nineties.

i don't trust the Liberals authorities. They will lie, deceive, spread confusion, sow false narratives, anything to protect Islam, to deny its crimes where ever possible and to relativise them where they can no longer be denied. However if this does turn out to be a rare case of a non psychotic individual conducting lethal politically motivated violence off his own back then that will be interesting.

[MadMonk]

We humans are very social creatures, so in a sense we are very conformist creatures. We humans will support and take part in immense amounts of politically motivated violence, both through the state and outside of the state. But politcal violence is nearly always conducted as part of a group. Even where have you have a clearly established ideologies like Al Qaeda and Islamic State, its actually quite difficult to get individuals, to self organise political violence, to be self starter "terrorists" without direct contact with the group. I always think its amazing how we had immense politically motivated violence from the Germans and Japanese during World War 2 and then after the defeat virtually nothing. The amount of violent resistance to the new regimes was incredibly low.

So individuals can be very violent individually. Over the years we have seen many, many serial killers, but virtually none of them are motivated by politcal /religious / ideological concerns. its virtually always motivated by sexual perversion of some kind. The Ted Kaczynskis of this world are very rare. Now I don't support the actions of the Unabomber, but I have great difficulty seeing him as having some exceptional immorality. He had political / social / ideological issues and decided that they were serious enough to justify the use of lethal violence. I can't see him as any more immoral than an average Sinn Fein voter in the 1980s, or a supporter of sanctions against Iraq in the nineteen nineties.

i don't trust the Liberals authorities. They will lie, deceive, spread confusion, sow false narratives, anything to protect Islam, to deny its crimes where ever possible and to relativise them where they can no longer be denied. However if this does turn out to be a rare case of a non psychotic individual conducting lethal politically motivated violence off his own back then that will be interesting.

Chances of him being non-psychotic either way are close to zero. His online persona pretty much confirms it. Undoubtedly, he had political convictions as well as some label such as paranoid personality disorder or malignant narcissism.

Violence committed by individuals against other individuals is rare. Individuals against larger groups are far rarer. We are social animals reacting to affirmation or exclusion from others around us. Our capacity for all actions hinges for the most part on how we perceive those actions to be accepted or rejected by others. The Unabomber is not even an outlier in this case. His desperate need for validation, to break his social isolation, by sending long manifestos to every news agency he could think of was his way of connecting with society again. Even his bombs were a manifestation of his desire to be noticed and heard by others.

It is not surprising that most terrorists are sprung from a well of loneliness, incels or otherwise.

[noemon]

More sordid angle to this story:

https://x.com/Salansar1/status/1870382338040848634

Points 1 to 4 contain zero evidence. Just the guy's opinion.

The Taqiyya claim Point 4 is both hard to believe and fundamentally irrelevant.

Taleb was anti-Islamic, pro-AfD and pro-Zionist for 8 whole years during which time he secured refugee status for several women seeking to flee Saudi on the basis of human right violations.

Even if Taleb adopted anti-Islamism to secure preferable treatment among German authorities for his asylum status, it still does not deny the fact that anti-Islamic Islamophobia is what led him come to this conclusion.

[annatar1914]

Points 1 to 4 contain zero evidence. Just the guy's opinion.

The Taqiyya claim Point 4 is both hard to believe and fundamentally irrelevant.

Taleb was anti-Islamic, pro-AfD and pro-Zionist for 8 whole years during which time he secured refugee status for several women seeking to flee Saudi on the basis of human right violations.

Even if Taleb adopted anti-Islamism to secure preferable treatment among German authorities for his asylum status, it still does not deny the fact that anti-Islamic Islamophobia is what led him come to this conclusion.

@noemon :

So what do you think happened to this gentleman to get him to the point of engaging in a massacre, one similar to previous outrages where the murderers were Islamic radicals?

I understand that the effort to still paint an anti Islsmist as an Islamist radical of some sort appears suspect, but something isnt right at all with the narrative then. Its like Lee Harvey Oswald, with his pro Castro actions in New Orleans and his Anti Castro connections also: where's the real identity?

[noemon]

He said it numeours times on his feed and on interviews he gave with far-right organisations in Europe.

He was scared that Germany prefers Muslims to Muslim Apostates like him, he was worried that Germany would extradiet him to Saudi who accused him of brainwashing women against Islam.

He had grown frustrated that Syrian refugees get asylum immediately as long as as they denounce Assad, while he was in Germany for 20 years and was still struggling to finalise his papers, due to what he termed "Germany's Islamophilia" and its strategic relationship with Saudi.

His feed goes all the way back to 2016, he's followed by Tommy Robinsons and he has participated in several far-right spaces.