- 17 Jun 2020 02:38
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@blackjack21
The Russian saying; ''call me a 'pot', but touch me not'' comes to my mind. My point was that outside of the United States, our whole national political discourse is senseless, because it all sounds like a number of libertarian sects hashing it out over various points of ideological shibboleths alien to outsiders. I happen just to be an American that has finally decided that it really is senseless to a great degree.
President Lincoln and the GOP disagreed, saying that Secession is essentially a violation of the previously mentioned Article 4 section 4 of the US Constitution, guaranteeing to the states an assurance that the Presidency and the Federal government would maintain a republican system of government within the individual states, something the Federal government can't do if a state wrongly decides to go it's own way and become a new nation or part of another country.
I disagree. campaigning for secession is treasonous. Only if the whole country collapsed could a remnant state organize it's affairs as a new nation or part of another.
It was ''totalitarian'' to the Slaves and the free whites it conscripted to fight in it's rebellion, was it not?
It's more conservative than right wing. Leftists think "right wing" sounds more scary and deranged so they use that a lot. Apparently, NBC activists contacted Google to get advertising banned on The Federalist (a conservative outlet) and ZeroHedge (a libertarian outlet) by characterizing them as "far right wing," when they are anything but that.
The Russian saying; ''call me a 'pot', but touch me not'' comes to my mind. My point was that outside of the United States, our whole national political discourse is senseless, because it all sounds like a number of libertarian sects hashing it out over various points of ideological shibboleths alien to outsiders. I happen just to be an American that has finally decided that it really is senseless to a great degree.
Secession is allowed under the constitution, it just takes 2/3rds of the state legislature and the federal legislature.
President Lincoln and the GOP disagreed, saying that Secession is essentially a violation of the previously mentioned Article 4 section 4 of the US Constitution, guaranteeing to the states an assurance that the Presidency and the Federal government would maintain a republican system of government within the individual states, something the Federal government can't do if a state wrongly decides to go it's own way and become a new nation or part of another country.
So campaigning for secession is firmly within freedom of thought and freedom of expression. Insurrection is not. Sedition is more of a gray area.
I disagree. campaigning for secession is treasonous. Only if the whole country collapsed could a remnant state organize it's affairs as a new nation or part of another.
The confederacy was a democratic republic. It wasn't totalitarian at all. It was just classically racist, which was nothing novel or unconstitutional at that time.
It was ''totalitarian'' to the Slaves and the free whites it conscripted to fight in it's rebellion, was it not?