@Verv I think that is an ugly thing to say, actually.
It is entirely possible to imagine a country where all immigration policies are logical, and the needs for cheap labor are also covered within these policies. These places exist -- Korea & Japan (as far as I know), are a good example.
Ugly. Oh please. Do try to consider the facts.
Trump and the Republican openly advocate for deporting ALL illegal aliens. They have done it repeatedly. So does this mean, as I said:
@Drlee...it is simply stupid to just want to deport all illegal aliens. I know it, you know it, and every politician in this country knows it.
Illegal immigration, like gay marriage, are simply hot button issues that the right uses to control the less intelligent or savvy members of their base.
Of course it does. You are an intelligent person. Is it "smart" to contemplate deporting OVER 3% of the population? Is it wise to advocate consider deporting over 10.5 million people? And if it is wise to forward this idea as plausible, why is it wise? You tell me?
What I am saying is that the only reason that a politician might even contemplate such lunacy is that there are people who actually imagine it is desirable and then possible. These people consist of: Racists and xenophobes, those who are not intelligent enough to contemplate the issue and those who are too lazy to do the research. What other group would you add?
People pretend such a vision is impossible either because they do not really want to think out the whole line that the position calls for,
Precisely. You said it. The vision of deporting 10.5 million people, many with US citizen minor children, business owners, hard to replace employees is absurd. Those who "think out the whole line that that position calls for" realize that it is neither possible nor desirable.
or because they really, really don't like being called a dog whistler & a racist.
Well I want to hear your argument that this line of thought is not a dog whistle to racist Americans. I think that is pretty obvious. Trump even said it aloud many times when he called them "rapists and murderers" wondered why people from Norway never come here illegally and referred to their homelands as "shit holes". And I am not going to google even more outrageous Trump quotes but you know for a certain fact that they are out there.
But suppose I do what you want. Suppose I imagine how we might deport all of the folks and stop new ones from coming. There really is only one way to do it in any reasonable period of time. That is to sterilize the job market. Take away the jobs and the folks have to go home or go further underground. Mostly go home if we impose harsh enough penalties for the people who are really responsible for illegal immigration...employers who hire them.
Given that it is illegal to hire illegal aliens and I will grant you the miracle of getting harsher legislation on this practice through legislation including retroactive e-Verify, here is how to do it.
There are currently 7100 ICE agents. Starting Monday after the Holiday weekend we send them into business to check the immigration status of everyone who works there. We start with the largest of businesses that we know are the worst offenders. Hospitality (restaurants and hotels), retail, and construction. They arrest every illegal they find and cite into federal court every business owner who has hired them and lacks appropriate documentation to show that they were duped. Simple right? We could set up camps to hold those arrested. We could cite them with identity theft or forgery if they use fake documentation. Those so indited might wind up in prison but we could probably plea bargain them down if they accept deportation. Catch the business in violation three times and we revoke their EIN.
Now this remedy would suck if we caught , oh let's say Kroger in violation three times. It would close and put out of work the employees of "2,752 supermarkets and multi-department stores. Kroger's headquarters are in downtown Cincinnati. It maintains markets in 35 states and the District of Columbia, with store formats that include hypermarkets, supermarkets, superstores, department stores, and 170 jewelry stores . Kroger-branded grocery stores are located in the Midwestern and Southern United States. Kroger operates 35 food processing or manufacturing facilities, 1,575 supermarket fuel centers, 2,258 pharmacies, and 222 The Little Clinic in-store medical clinics.
And then fell Walmart.
Am I being silly? I think not. If this problem is so bad that a presidential candidate and more than half of the senate can win on it then nothing short of an all out war on illegals is warranted. And this proposal of mine is OBVIOUSLY the only one that can work. Those 7100 Ice agents have not even made a dent on illegal immigrants in the US, and frankly, despite the heated political rhetoric, they are not even trying.
You mentioned Japan and Korea. Where did Korea interdict YOUR immigration status? Perhaps they check your visa periodically. Maybe they check you at the border. But the real enforcement comes at your job I'll bet. It certainly does in Japan where it is neigh on impossible for a foreigner to get a work visa without some serious sponsorship. And you are just not going to get one as a farm worker, a construction worker, or a cook. You know better than I but I bet this is true in S. Korea too.
So I am waiting. It this whole issue is not demagoguery then what is your plan that is wise to contemplate?