[The One.]

i never said the food chain does not exist- i said we are not at the top of it, and therefor i proved my point.

Even if nobody is on the top of the food chain, we're pretty much the prime contender.So we get a right to eat animals.

(and evne if youre not on the top,as you said,you can always try,like the man-eating tiger)

[Comrade Ogilvy]

If anything I'd say things are DE-EVOLVING..

Considering a billion years ago dinosaurs ruled the Earth.
Now seemingly thier descendants are gators and rhinos. Tough contenders, but hardly as threatning as thier prehistoric counterparts..

Man was a tall masculine machine of brute force that could outsmart animals and had enough knowledge to build itself shelters for survival.
Man now is weak and frail and can't even drink fucking milk half the time.

[Jesse]

As for Jesse- I guess some animals are more equal than others, eh?

I haven't said anything yet

Its just 'cause Randomizer has the same avatar as me, eh?

Animals cannot have rights, because they lack the ability to back them up with force, because after all, what good are rights without the violence necessary to defend them? Nothing is 'inaliable'.

[jaakko]

Animals cannot have rights, because they lack the ability to back them up with force

And they can't do that because they cannot grasp the concept of 'right' (nor any other concepts). Creatures that lack consciousness can only be offered protection, but not rights. Even if one fanatically wanted to give animals "rights", he'd be only giving them protection, nothing more.

[Comrade Ogilvy]

well- it is true, they have a choice to run away or not- but the animals in slaughterhouses have no choice. So what is wrong with that argument? animals deserve a chance to live..

Dont be an idiot... animals have the choice to escape from slaughterhouses too... Havent you ever seen Chicken Run??

[democrat-hippie]

no- you dont be an idiot. Havent you seen the conditions they live in? i suggest you read up on the subject.