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Would Meghan's Law Apply To Harvey Milk If He Was Alive Today Doing The Same Things?

Yes, if he had sex with an underaged minor he should be registered as a sex-offender according to Law.
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68%
No, he was within his rights to have sex with the 16 year old because they were reportedly in love.
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19%
Maybe, if the teen was susceptible to coercion from Harvey Milk like "I'll give you a place to sleep and eat if you let me sodomize you".
3
10%
Other [explained in a reply]
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3%
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All of this is illegal. Sodomy laws have been struct down by the Supreme Court, it is illegal to retroactively list someone like that, and it is definitely illegal to list someone as a sex offender who hasn't been convicted.

That aside, what Milk did should not have been illegal (age of consent should be 16, and sodomy laws are ridiculous), and Megan's Law needs to be reversed, as at best it's a waste of time, and at worst, it's material for pointless witch hunts against basically innocent people.


Let me guess...you dont' have kids right? Did you forget that they are people with rights too?

By the way, sodomy laws in California, among the states where Harvey Milk's crimes against minors were commited, have a separate legal category and language. For someone Harvey Milk's age at the time, in his mid 30s, to sodomize the 16 year old minor boy, is to this day regarded as a felony. Either he committed a felony or he didn't. Also, in the book The Mayor of Castro Street that documents his felony child-sodomizing, he is referred to by witnesses close to him at the time as having a penchant for "waifs with substance abuse problems". Having sex with a minor who is intoxicated falls under the date-rape statutes and also, due to the age difference between Milk and his child-victims, a felony for each count, if memory serves..

So that his crimes were documented, admitted to by him and even published in a book that had a movie spinoff "Milk", means that his being a felonious child-sodomizer is a matter of pop-culture dinnertable knowledge. Even given that, gays chose him and no other to head-up their ambassadorship to children no less, in California schools under the SB-48 mandate to teach hero-worship of gays to kids at schools.

Gays chose a pedophile. They even have succeeded or are pressing to succeed to mandate a legal holiday in which children in school are mandated to pay homage to the pedophile as representative of "all things gays stand and struggle for".

Not making this up. I'd love to say "only in California" at this point, but they're not satisified with just there. The gay lobby is pressing for this same agenda to be in place in all 50 states. Buyers beware. Read the fine print on the label before you blindly toss this product in your shopping cart..
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By the way, sodomy laws in California, among the states where Harvey Milk's crimes against minors were commited, have a separate legal category and language. For someone Harvey Milk's age at the time, in his mid 30s, to sodomize the 16 year old minor boy, is to this day regarded as a felony. Either he committed a felony or he didn't.


And if brought to the Supreme Court, those laws will be struck down. The only reason this hasn't happened already is because that law is probably never enforced.

Also, in the book The Mayor of Castro Street that documents his felony child-sodomizing, he is referred to by witnesses close to him at the time as having a penchant for "waifs with substance abuse problems". Having sex with a minor who is intoxicated falls under the date-rape statutes and also, due to the age difference between Milk and his child-victims, a felony for each count, if memory serves..


You'd have to prove that the minors in question were intoxicated at the time they had sex, and even then, if they had sex while sober before and after, its probably not going to be charged anyways.

Gays chose a pedophile. They even have succeeded or are pressing to succeed to mandate a legal holiday in which children in school are mandated to pay homage to the pedophile as representative of "all things gays stand and struggle for".


Milk was a homosexual with a taste for younger men. Big deal. And this is all irrelevant, as all of the laws you've brought up (with the exception of date rape) shouldn't be laws anyways.
#13899821
Younger men do not equal 16 year olds. Period. You may feel you have a license to interpret local laws, but you do not.

Also, the documented eyewitness accounts observed that Harvey Milk had a "penchant" [a recurring attraction to] "young waifs" [children, as the first definition in Webster's defines], "with substance abuse problems"..[drug addiction]. Drug addicts aren't ever sober. They are either just coming down from or using or intoxicated with respect to drugs. So he was a serial drug/date-raper as well as a child sodomizer. This isn't speculation. This is testified to in a tome about the man. It is part of pop-culture knowledge about him. That means, gays know he is guilty of those real, factual crimes, in spite of how their own personal leanings and perversions compel them to defend clear crimes against children as "forgivable tresspasses".

Thank goodness concerned adults mandate these crimes be enforced. You hear about them all the time getting caught and going to jail for it. You seem wholly unconcerned about the victims of these crimes: children. It is as if you are a bigot yourself being utterly dismissive of them as humans at all, especially vulnerable ones. Instead, they appear to be to you mere chattal for the sexual appetites of those adults 'irresistably attracted to them".. As if it's all just about some buffet table and why is everyone getting all upset about the men drooling over the fresh meats and potatoes set before them?! Just leave a man to feast!

As if children were inanimate objects without susceptibilities, needs and rights to protection of their own..
Last edited by Silhouette on 19 Feb 2012 20:32, edited 1 time in total.
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Harvey Milk is virtually unknown outside the USA, so I don't see how Silhouette can say:
Silhouette wrote:The fact that gays picked him to head up their PR-campaign to children is beyond bizzare. It is telling you something...

It's telling people that they didn't know how much of a problem the man actually was, but at the same time it's important to note that queer people all over the world did not have an input into that decision made in America, obviously.

So what could anyone do?
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Rei, true the "people of the world" did not have that choice. Significant though that universally, American gays, and particularly California gays apologize for Harvey Milk's real crimes against children at the drop of a hat. I googled "Harvey Milk" and found dozens of gay-sponsored sites, sites representing mainstream gay culture in the US, who had endless kudos for Harvey Milk and who seek to actively promote his image as their representative and "hero figure" to children. That means that in the US anyway, gays by and large uphold pedophilia as "excusable, forgivable", at least where child sodomy is involved with teenagers.

True, it's very unfortunate that gays chose a pedophile as their ambassador to children. But then again, maybe that's their way of crying out for help when they have barred themselves from the DSM listing for sexual compulsive behaviors back in the 1970s? No problem, no help. They essentially took the squeak out of the wheel when it came to that. So promoting a pedophile as their ambassador is their way of asking "mommy and daddy" [the APA] "will you see us now? Will you set limits for us now??" "Will you HELP US NOW?"...

It's my pet theory why gays chose Harvey Milk. They were testing to see just how much they could get away with before a sane figure with a firm hand stepped in and told them "enough is enough"... Children out of control with behavioral problems often crave and try to provoke for subconscioulsy this type of adult intervention..

"What can anyone do?" Intervene. Hence the reason I post on the topic..
#13899839
Younger men do not equal 16 year olds. Period.


If the age of consent is 16 and you're 30, then 16 is a younger man.

Also, the documented eyewitness accounts observed that Harvey Milk had a "penchant" [a recurring attraction to] "young waifs" [children, as the first definition in Webster's defines], "with substance abuse problems"..[drug addiction]. Drug addicts aren't ever sober. They are either just coming down from or using or intoxicated with respect to drugs. So he was a serial drug/date-raper as well as a child sodomizer. This isn't speculation. This is testified to in a tome about the man. It is part of pop-culture knowledge about him. That means, gays know he is guilty of those real, factual crimes, in spite of how their own personal leanings and perversions compel them to defend clear crimes against children as "forgivable tresspasses".


You're relying on your own definition of drug addict and an outdated definition of 'waif'

You seem wholly unconcerned about the victims of these crimes: children. It is as if you are a bigot yourself being utterly dismissive of them as humans at all, especially vulnerable ones. Instead, they appear to be to you mere chattal for the sexual appetites of those adults 'irresistably attracted to them".. As if it's all just about some buffet table and why is everyone getting all upset about the men drooling over the fresh meats and potatoes set before them?! Just leave a man to feast!


A 16 year old is not a child, but a young adult. And like a young adult, they have all of the same rights and responsibilities of an adult (minus voting, drinking, and smoking), and are entitled to make their own decisions. If they, as an adult, want to have sex with a 30 year old, so be it. I find it somewhat strange, and would not be in such a relationship myself, but I would be just as uncomfortable with a 25 year old dating a 50 year old.
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Silhouette wrote:It's my pet theory why gays chose Harvey Milk.


Your theory kind of sucks, Silhouette/cowofzot.

Gays didn't "choose" Harvey Milk (whatever that means); Harvey Milk personally took a lot of initiatives that other gay activists did not. Much of what Harvey Milk is famous for occurred only within the span of 11 months in 1978, after he was elected as a city supervisor and before he was shot by Dan White that same year. In less than a year he succeeded in passing the first gay rights ordinance in the United States before becoming the first real martyr of the queer struggle.

We're supposed to ignore all of that because he fucked a 16 year-old? I'd say it's much easier for us to ignore the fact that he fucked a 16 year-old. In fact, it probably is much easier because there's a high-budget biopic about him now while you're just some troll on the internet who doesn't even have an avatar.

Rei wrote:Silhouette, if that's your theory, then how do you explain the fact that no other country's queer community has mirrored this issue? It seems more than a little odd to construct a whole theory about all queer people, around one controversy that occurred in the United States.


Between Guy Hocquenghem and Mario Mieli, Harvey Milk looks like a eunuch saint.
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Rei Murasame wrote:Can anyone actually tell me what 'political correctness' is?


Whatever's OK to laugh at. Tends to go along with biological imperative.

It seems to change definition every other week.

You know it's really become ridiculous when even I am having to ask now.


That would explain a great many things. :lol:
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Drlee wrote:You couldn't leave him alone with his insecurity, could you? Here comes another long homophobic rant. :roll:


Whenever you're ready DrLee. The world is waiting for you to come out of the closet.
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Whenever you're ready DrLee. The world is waiting for you to come out of the closet.


And that is the kind of amazingly childish comment we have all come to expect from you.

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