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Peter Pan wrote:Both sides fought admirably.
The Christian leaders of the time ought to have recognised the truth of Islam, instead of fighting against it for the sake of holding on to their religious authority and poltical powers.
If they wanted to use the conlict to facilitate the unification of Europe, they should have instead used the doctrine of papal infallability to bring about a mass conversion of the European peoples to the Islamic religion. Under Islam Europe would have had real and lasting unification as a civilisation. But in the face of Islam, which appears to be destined to take over Europe, just as Mohammed predicted, the leaders of the Christian Church only cared about preserving their own worldly power which they felt to be threatened by the Islamic religion.
Therefore they incited conflict with the Muslim world, creating enmity between Christian and Islamic civilisation that has lasted to the present time.
Much heroism came out of the Crusades, but Europe would have been in a better state in the long-run if, instead of crusading against the Muslims, the leaders of the Christian world facilitaed the inevitable conversion of the European peoples to the Islamic religion.
Now Christianity is a dying religion. And today the people most closely following in the path of Jesus are the Muslims. The closest thing to Christians are the Muslims. Their way of life more closely conforms to the way of life of Jesus Christ than to that of any Christian I have known.
Peter Pan wrote:The Christian leaders of the time ought to have recognised the truth of Islam, instead of fighting against it for the sake of holding on to their religious authority and poltical powers.
Under Islam Europe would have had real and lasting unification as a civilisation.
Now Christianity is a dying religion, and the only real Christians are Muslims.
annatar1914 wrote:I agree that in the West Christianity has been dead, in my belief since 1054 AD with the Schism. But Christianity lives on in the East, and will persist.
annatar1914 wrote:You must not know too many actual Christians.
But Christianity lives on in the East, and will persist.
Peter Pan wrote:
You are right about that. Which is why I predict that the future of European civilisation is Islamo-Christian: Orthoddox Christianity for Eastern Europe, and Islam for the West. Once the Muslims have reached a certain critical mass in Western Europe, mass conversion of the native population to Islam is an historical inevitability. Only Islam will be there to fill the spiritual void in the hearts of these people when they have reached their lowest point. There is no way that they are going to revert back to Christianity.
The future of Western civilisation is Islamo-Christian. And we should welcome such a future.
Random American wrote:I'm sure some of them were. I don't necessarily agree with the modern narrative that they were vicious Christians slaughtering peaceful Muslims. Both sides were brutal and the Muslims were conquering Christian lands.
annatar1914 wrote:In general, what you have said is an absolute crock of bullshit concerning the relation and differences between Islam and Christianity. But, quite in keeping with a certain Islamic narrative that is totally mendacious. There are similarities of course, being that Islam is a syncretic Monotheism that has elements of (and historically grew out of) heretical Christian sects along with Zoroasterianism, Judaism, and Arabic Paganism.
But, I have only a little doubt that Islam will take over the Western world, at least for a time.
A civil war would likely prevent that. Or perhaps another Queen Isabella ethnic cleansing.
There is a paradox in this issue. Feminists generally refuse to put down Muslims because they see them as part of the oppressed intersection. They tend to forget that women in the West have the best life and women in Islam remain oppressed.
Atlantis wrote:You mean Europeans should have bent over to be conquered by armies from the ME after having resisted conquest for centuries?
More so than Christianity, Islam has been a means of conquest from the very beginning.
If Europe had been conquered by Islam, European countries would be impoverished shit holes ruled by corrupt and despotic rulers
Just look around, it doesn't take rocket science to get this simple truth. Fleeing despotic rulers and economic desperation, millions of Europeans would be seeking asylum in Syria and Afghanistan.
You mean like the Muslim world?
Now the Muslim world is retarded backwater that can't even feed its own people while the Christian West is controlling the world.
Humanism, the Enlightenment, Socialism, universal human rights, democracy, sciences
native populations in Europe have little time, and are lacking certain things which the Muslims possess.
I'm not a Feminist, so I see the ''paradox'' as just a psychological urge to destroy the common enemy of both Muslims and Feminists.
Julian658 wrote:The difference in fertility rates is large. This may sound racist, but it would not be an issue if the Muslim migrants adopted the native culture as their own.
I agree. The idea is to destroy the west. They are consumed with guilt.
Peter Pan wrote:Convert to Islam, and the native European fertility rate will skyrocket. Problem solved.
There is still time to save Europe. The cure is readily available to you. The cure is Islam.
An ethnically Western European Islamic culture would crush.
If they tried to use Islam to destroy the West, they inadvertantly sent the cure. Once the native Europeans are converted to Islam, the problems you speak of will all vanish overnight.
Only Islam will save Western Europe. (And by Islam I don't mean the mere presence of Muslims from abroad. I mean conversion to the Islamic religion. Islam is good. Muslims can be good, bad, or indifferent.)
But perhaps you are so blinded by anger and hatred towards Islam that you will allow your civilisation to perish rather than allow the conversion of the population to a belief system that is identical to the core teachings of Jesus.
A Europeanised Islam, by the way, would be as culturally distinct from Arabic Islam, as European Christians are distinct from Ethiopian Christians.
It would be Europeanised in exactly the same way that Christianity was Europeanised (not to mention paganised).
It is the only thing that would revitalise and restore European civilistation. It would mark the beginning of a new Golden Age, comparable to the classical Greco-Roman civilsation, the European Renaissance, etc. The fusion of the greatest civilisation with the greatest religion can only lead to an era of heightened cultural vitality lasting for many generations.
Europeans would be foolish not to take advantage of the opportunity. The alternative of course is to be taken over, to grow weaker and weaker, and continue to dwindle in numbers as everyone else increases and expands.
Nothing can save you but Islam.
You have but two options - two possible outcomes : (1) be invaded and taken over, ever decreasing in numbers while newcomers grow and expand, the Muslims eventually taking the most desirable women as wives (European women will flock to the Muslim "invaders' - if European men don't convert to Islam beforehand) ; (2) or, let the native European population convert to the Islamic religion so that they can be saved.
Of course, one can conceive of other scenerioes but they are all dubious and unlikely. The two outcomes listed above are certitudes.
Peter Pan wrote:The conflict between Muslims and the West is rooted in 'tribe'.
What you are really claiming is that Christianity is historically weak and impotent as compared with Islam.
The Christians have conquered vast stretches of the earth, wiping out entire peoples and civilisations in some cases. Islam doesn't even come close.
But why are you defending Christianity? I never attacked the Christian religion. I just think that the only people practising Christianity today are Muslims. By that I mean: the people most closely following the teachings of Jesus, and who adhere to a way of life that most closely resembles the Christian way, are the Muslims.
Julian658 wrote:The Arab world was advanced until it adopted Islam. As of now THEY REMAIN STUCK IN THE MIDDLE AGES. They are much worse than Catholicism in the 12th century or Judaism as described in the Old Testament.
Atlantis wrote:Not true. Arab culture blossomed from the 8th to the 15th century largely because Islam provided a homogeneous cultural and commercial space from Spain in the West to Canton in the East. The Arab traders calling on Malaga or other trading posts along the way could trade as if they were at home because the Imams and Muslim rulers would guarantee that the local trading partners adhered to the same laws. Ie. their investments were safe.
When the Arab traders lost their monopoly to the European navigatores, who cut out the Arab middle-men in the East Asia trade, Arab/Muslim culture started to decline and European culture started to blossom with the European Renaissance. European colonialism made the crusades superfluous since the Mediterranean was no longer the center of commercial activity. The Italian city states had expanded their trading empires in the Mediterranean on the back of the crusades.
Arab culture also declined because of the Ottoman conquest. The Ottomans were nomads from central Asia who were good at conquest but bad at promoting the sciences, just like the Mongols who conquered China. As a foreign warrior class, they were busy with consolidating their power over the conquered people.
SaddamHuseinovic wrote:The horror of ISIS has lead to a secularisation in the Middle-East like Dubai or Saudi-Arabia, although they are Salafi the strictest form of Sunna.
The Syrian war is our 30-Years war.
Jihadism is a mix of all islamic streamings. The Base is Salafism, but also Theobandi and Shia. Suicidebombers are from Shia Hezbollah (which have their ideology from medivial Islmailites)
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