[Politics_Observer]

Trump's ties to the Russians have not been thoroughly investigated. Also, Trump continues to try to prevent his taxes from being released. The question of Trump being compromised by the Russians has not been concluded or answered yet. I have read a lot regarding Trump's dealings with the Russians to where I think it's very likely that Trump is compromised by the Russians which would explain his behavior towards Putin such as at Helsinki for example and his failure to respond to Russian provocations such as Russia paying bounties on U.S. troops. So, here is the question. Is it highly likely that Trump is compromised by the Russians and a counter-intelligence threat to the national security United States?

[annatar1914]

Trump is not compromised by the Russians, that is something absolutely devoid of fact and indeed, totally insane, destructive, evil, and stupid beyond words, as President Trump is demonstrably actually the most profoundly Anti-Russian leader of the United States in our history, proven by such things as his placement of more and more troops near the Russian frontiers and arming the Ukainians. I would even go so far as to say he uses this sick idea of him being Russia's agent for his own purposes, to camouflage his own belligerent actions against Russia worldwide.

This delusion was started by a sick racist white liberal, totally unlikable even to many liberals, who unsurprisingly lost to Trump in 2016, and had to malignantly save face by spreading this nonsense around.

[Politics_Observer]

@annatar1914

I think if Trump loses to Biden he won't step down from the Presidency. He knows he could face criminal charges if he steps down in other cases unrelated to the fact he could be compromised by the Russians. Plus, he continues to fight the release of his tax returns and he has some pretty shady business dealings with Russian oligarchs from what I have been reading. I think Trump is afraid to lose this election for many reasons. I think he wants to keep his throne so he won't face criminal charges that he could possibly face if he steps down.

Hence, why I think he won't step down if he loses. He's working to sow chaos in my opinion, not just to get re-elected but also because it serves the interests of the Russians. Vladimir Putin want us to be divided and to tear each other apart. It serves their interests. It's also why protestors partaking in violence in the U.S. not only plays into Trump's hands because he wants to stay in power, but it plays into the hands of the Russians who want us to be divided and tearing each other apart.

[annatar1914]

@Politics_Observer ,

I think if Trump loses to Biden he won't step down from the Presidency. He knows he could face criminal charges if he steps down in other cases unrelated to the fact he could be compromised by the Russians.

He will if he does genuinely lose, step down that is. And he isn't compromised by the Russians, there's no proof of that whatsoever.

Plus, he continues to fight the release of his tax returns and he has some pretty shady business dealings with Russian oligarchs from what I have been reading.

He was in high dollar Real Estate in places like Florida and New York, and anyone can play the ''guilt by association'' game. Know any criminals, shady characters? I do.

I think Trump is afraid to lose this election for many reasons.

You're projecting how you would feel if your speculations were correct, and if you were him. As it stands, I think he will win re-election by a significant margin.

I think he wants to keep his throne so he won't face criminal charges that he could possibly face if he steps down.

More projection. Some of the Elites who oppose him are worried by his re-election chances, because he might be as vindictive as they are and put some of them in jail.

Hence, why I think he won't step down if he loses.

You are plainly setting a narrative for when he wins, to not accept the loss. Tell me now; would you accept his re-election? I'm thinking not, that you'll just make excuses and spin more conspiracy theories instead of accepting that once again the Democrats ran a horrible human being and horrible candidate for President in 2020 as they manifestly did in 2016.

He's working to sow chaos in my opinion, not just to get re-elected but also because it serves the interests of the Russians.

More projection. Chaos effects the public perception of political legitimacy. Trump doesn't want chaos in the slightest.

Vladimir Putin want us to be divided and to tear each other apart.

No he doesn't. You haven't a shred of evidence to support that, and President Putin of Russia has said quite the contrary. He wants a strong America to balance China.

It serves their interests.

It doesn't at all. As I said, Russia wants a strong America to balance China, and a collapse of American power would leave a power vaccum that would threaten the existence of Russia herself. Similar to America's retreat from the world during the Great Depression aided the rise of the Third Reich which came near to mortally wounding Russia in WWII.

It's also why protestors partaking in violence in the U.S. not only plays into Trump's hands because he wants to stay in power, but it plays into the hands of the Russians who want us to be divided and tearing each other apart.

No, you have a shitty candidate who is going to lose, so your leadership stupidly decided to (via the rioters) to hold a gun to the heads of the American public; ''vote for our figurehead candidate and the mayhem stops, think of voting for Trump and if he wins this destruction will continue"

But I don't think you'll listen to me, you never have, it's easier to accept the narrative spoon fed to you.

[Politics_Observer]

@annatar1914

I just got one question for you annatar. How does that Russian boot taste?

[annatar1914]

@annatar1914

I just got one question for you annatar. How does that Russian boot taste?

When you have to stoop to personal attacks, the conversation is over because you have animus and ignorance on your side, certainly not the facts or a love for the truth. You are acting in a contemptible manner, and the best thing I can say is that I hope life is not too hard on you in teaching experience to you. I don't have to embitter or embarrass you, but you just make plain the truism that most people every day pray; ''give us this day oh Lord our daily illusions''.

[Atlantis]

No, it's a conspiracy that's useful for destroying Trump.

The CIA would have done something about it, if it were true. The Steel dossier is completely amateurish. I should have thought a former British spy can do better. He obviously didn't put a lot of effort into it.

Trump welcomes Russian meddling if it serves his purpose, but he isn't so stupid as to leave a paper trail that could be used against him.

[Politics_Observer]

@Atlantis

No, it's a conspiracy that's useful for destroying Trump.

The CIA would have done something about it, if it were true. The Steel dossier is completely amateurish. I should have thought a former British spy can do better. He obviously didn't put a lot of effort into it.

Trump welcomes Russian meddling if it serves his purpose, but he isn't so stupid as to leave a paper trail that could be used against him.

Really? That's not what the evidence shows

While special counsel Robert Mueller's two-year probe may not have established conspiracy between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, it did not dive nearly deep enough into the president's relationship with the foreign power.

In fact, it barely scratched the surface, according to former federal prosecutor and counterintelligence expert Kenneth McCallion. McCallion once represented former Ukraine Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko in her civil case against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in the Southern District of New York. The case served as a basis for Mueller's indictments of Manafort and former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates.

"I would not have much difficulty or most experienced prosecutors given what evidence is available now would not have much difficulty prosecuting Mr. Trump," McCallion told Newsweek shortly after Attorney General William Barr handed over his summary of the Mueller report to Congress.

"I think that may still happen—it may not happen immediately, but time will tell," he added.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-r ... rt-1394575

[annatar1914]

@Atlantis



Really? That's not what the evidence shows



https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-r ... rt-1394575

Newsweak

And a lawyer representing the Fascist Yulia Timoshenko

Again, what evidence? None.

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No he doesn't. You haven't a shred of evidence to support that, and President Putin of Russia has said quite the contrary. He wants a strong America to balance China.

Russia and China are in the honeymoon of their love/hate relationship.

While there are economic forces driving them together, what makes the marriage is their opposition to the US.

Most of what you write is utter crap, but that gem made me smile.

"Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin are attempting to put economics at the center of their strategic partnership. “Economic cooperation and trade, as a key pillar of our relations, is crucial to the common development and revitalization of China and Russia,” Xi said during a visit to Moscow in June 2019.1 “We enjoy an unprecedentedly high level of trust and cooperation,” Putin said several months later. “This is an allied relationship in the full sense of a multifaceted strategic partnership. This is reflected in the economy.”2

Despite the deep flaws in their economic visions, Xi and Putin are putting forward ideas that are designed to resonate with third countries, especially developing economies. In responding to these developments, the very least the United States and its allies can do is avoid unintentionally driving China and Russia together."

Excellent article, well worth reading for anyone that wants a feel for how this is playing out.




https://www.csis.org/analysis/china-and ... c-unequals

[Rich]

The more influence that Putin has over Trump the better, to counter balance the malign influences of Ankara, Islamabad and the Riyadh-Jerusalem axis.

[blackjack21]

Trump's ties to the Russians have not been thoroughly investigated.

Obviously, you missed the multi-year Mueller investigation.

Also, Trump continues to try to prevent his taxes from being released.

Which is his right under the Privacy Act.

The question of Trump being compromised by the Russians has not been concluded or answered yet.

The question serves a political purpose, the answer doesn't because there is no meaningful "compromised by the Russians" that is persuasive to voters. So continuing to ask the question is meant to be persuasive.

I have read a lot regarding Trump's dealings with the Russians to where I think it's very likely that Trump is compromised by the Russians which would explain his behavior towards Putin such as at Helsinki for example and his failure to respond to Russian provocations such as Russia paying bounties on U.S. troops.

What does "compromised by the Russians" even mean in your mind?

Is it highly likely that Trump is compromised by the Russians and a counter-intelligence threat to the national security United States?

No. It's highly likely that the deep state is orchestrating the entire narrative, because their approved of candidates--Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton--did not win in 2016. So they are using the same tactics as used during the "color revolutions" in Ukraine to try to destablize the US in order to get their chosen candidate into power.

Trump is not compromised by the Russians, that is something absolutely devoid of fact and indeed, totally insane, destructive, evil, and stupid beyond words,

And if it weren't totally insane and stupid beyond words, such a theory might have had more traction than it does. Thankfully, the people pushing this stuff are simply too arrogant to examine the stupidity of their assertion, making it more harmful to their credibility than to Trump's.

He knows he could face criminal charges if he steps down in other cases unrelated to the fact he could be compromised by the Russians.

Other than contrived lawfare stuff, what crime do you suspect he has committed?

Plus, he continues to fight the release of his tax returns and he has some pretty shady business dealings with Russian oligarchs from what I have been reading.

Keeping Democrats fighting pointless battles prevents them from fighting meaningful battles.

It's also why protestors partaking in violence in the U.S. not only plays into Trump's hands because he wants to stay in power, but it plays into the hands of the Russians who want us to be divided and tearing each other apart.

The protests in the US are directed by the Democrats in the deep state. If they are playing into Trump's hands, it's because they are incompetent (my theory), or because they are doing it by design (to dispirit the Bernie Bros).

You are plainly setting a narrative for when he wins, to not accept the loss.

This is the point of the entire narrative. The reason Trump is going to win again is that the Democrats decided to ignore trade issues, and not only ignore illegal immigration--but to call for free health care for illegal immigrants at taxpayer's expense.

No, you have a shitty candidate who is going to lose, so your leadership stupidly decided to (via the rioters) to hold a gun to the heads of the American public; ''vote for our figurehead candidate and the mayhem stops, think of voting for Trump and if he wins this destruction will continue"

That's more or less it. They have been pretty transparent about it.

The CIA would have done something about it, if it were true. The Steel dossier is completely amateurish. I should have thought a former British spy can do better. He obviously didn't put a lot of effort into it.

He probably didn't anticipate 1) Trump winning; and 2) Democrats trying to use the Steele Dossier to launch an independent counsel investigation. It reads like an October Surprise charge. So why people still put any stock in it is bewildering.

For me, it underscores why the establishment cannot be trusted, and is not just grossly dishonest, but utterly incompetent. They can't even win a war after fighting it for 20 years. They're just arrogant, conceited and useless.

it did not dive nearly deep enough into the president's relationship with the foreign power.

There is no criminal predicate to do so.

[annatar1914]

Russia and China are in the honeymoon of their love/hate relationship.

While there are economic forces driving them together, what makes the marriage is their opposition to the US.

Most of what you write is utter crap, but that gem made me smile.

"Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin are attempting to put economics at the center of their strategic partnership. “Economic cooperation and trade, as a key pillar of our relations, is crucial to the common development and revitalization of China and Russia,” Xi said during a visit to Moscow in June 2019.1 “We enjoy an unprecedentedly high level of trust and cooperation,” Putin said several months later. “This is an allied relationship in the full sense of a multifaceted strategic partnership. This is reflected in the economy.”2

Despite the deep flaws in their economic visions, Xi and Putin are putting forward ideas that are designed to resonate with third countries, especially developing economies. In responding to these developments, the very least the United States and its allies can do is avoid unintentionally driving China and Russia together."

Excellent article, well worth reading for anyone that wants a feel for how this is playing out.




https://www.csis.org/analysis/china-and ... c-unequals

@late ,

Let's just say that it's obvious American foreign policy is insane, as is our Liberal political establishment, which reflects their lack of values and not the American people as a whole. You likely disagree on some of that, but frankly I could care less about that, reality will be hitting soon enough for most.

[annatar1914]

@blackjack21 , I want to preface my reply to your remarks to me by saying that one can oppose Trump in an honorable way without the demonic insanity and politics of personal and even literal destruction that the Democrats are engaging in. I am a Socialist, and President Trump is on record as being opposed to Socialism and saying that America will never be a Socialist country. I get that, he's the penultimate Capitalist and I don't have to hate him personally in this opposition to his policies. So you said;

And if it weren't totally insane and stupid beyond words, such a theory might have had more traction than it does. Thankfully, the people pushing this stuff are simply too arrogant to examine the stupidity of their assertion, making it more harmful to their credibility than to Trump's.

Well, they always hated Russia, and they always hated Trump after he entered the political stage, so combining the two hatreds is both somewhat clever and an old technique of master persuasion; ''make your enemies appear to be one enemy in the public mind''. That's why I know that the idea DID NOT originate with Clinton or any other Democrat.

This is the point of the entire narrative. The reason Trump is going to win again is that the Democrats decided to ignore trade issues, and not only ignore illegal immigration--but to call for free health care for illegal immigrants at taxpayer's expense.

Declaring the desire to make all illegal aliens in the country amnestied, with the result of having 77 million new citizens via chain immigration, is part of the plan. Have a solid plurality of a demographic that refuses to vote for you and prevents your eternal rule over the country? Replace that Demographic...

That's more or less it. They have been pretty transparent about it.

I want to be clear. These people aren't very good people at all, in fact at their core ''leadership'' they are extremely bad people. If they weren't such feckless cowards at heart for the most part, and generally gerontocratic in their leadership, they'd have most of their opposition dead or in a camp somewhere, but they don't want the risk personally and frankly, aren't nearly competent enough or intelligent enough to fully carry it out.

But the hate is there, and it's driving them completely insane. When this is all said and done, I think some people are going to have to take a good long hard look in the mirror at themselves, if they can.

Trump has got them right where he wants them. And it couldn't happen to a better group of people. Now, afterwards, we might even have a legitimate two-party system, Capitalism's proponents and Socialism's proponents...

[late]

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@late[/usermention] ,

Let's just say that it's obvious American foreign policy is insane, as is our Liberal political establishment, which reflects their lack of values and not the American people as a whole. You likely disagree on some of that, but frankly I could care less about that, reality will be hitting soon enough for most.

Let's just say you got caught with your pants down... and are trying to change away from the Russia-China relationship.

I accept the implicit admission of defeat.

[annatar1914]

Let's just say you got caught with your pants down... and are trying to change away from the Russia-China relationship.

I accept the implicit admission of defeat.

What are you even talking about, seriously? Because I have no idea, honestly.

Insane foreign policy is insane foreign policy, and my primary interest in foreign affairs as an American is a sane foreign policy, one in which we don't meddle in other's affairs, act like a global enforcer for liberal western values, and focus on a truly America First foreign policy.

Again, your opinion no doubt differs, seems you're wanting to double down on the crazy talk.

[late]

What are you even talking about, seriously? Because I have no idea, honestly.

CSIS is pretty good. You are not.

[annatar1914]

CSIS is pretty good. You are not.

From the not-so-sublime to the absurd to the even more absurd. About as meaningful as this crazy conspiracy theory foisted on people to explain away the failure of the losing candidacy of a horrible candidate.

[late]

From the not-so-sublime to the absurd to the even more absurd. About as meaningful as this crazy conspiracy theory foisted on people to explain away the failure of the losing candidacy of a horrible candidate.

For someone that fancies himself an expert, you keep running from a discussion of the supposed core of your expertise...

Oh, well..

[annatar1914]

For someone that fancies himself an expert, you keep running from a discussion of the supposed core of your expertise...

Oh, well..

What I have done is a mistake in that I assumed more from you. Organizations like the CSIS are called ''think tanks'', where discussions among alleged ''experts'' are held by the public to hash out the proper means of dealing with international and other issues. They are most emphatically not. What they are, these organizations, are conveyor belts transmitting the will of the Elites to academia and other nodes of the intellectual world. CSIS and other organizations were created in the 20th century not to reflect the opinion of intelligent men, but to shape and mold that opinion.

Therefore, a Western institution like CSIS,( or the CFR, etc..).a child of the Jesuit order and Georgetown University, is going to always reflect the Western desire to divide Eurasian states further, subdue them, exploit and destroy them. Now, they will come up with all kinds of sophistical justifications to obscure the primary goals, but that's their job, and they're paid well for it.

So yes, I get it. What I don't get, or rather couldn't, was why you'd try to bring it up this paper from CSIS as some kind of wise declaration from on high. It isn't. All it does is reveal certain people for the fake ass establishment stooges that they are.