- 29 Sep 2024 23:31
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This is a clip of a Canadian conservative politician answering a question from a progressive reporter on crime (repeat offender).
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Unthinking Majority wrote:This is a clip of a Canadian conservative politician answering a question from a progressive reporter on crime (repeat offender).
Truth To Power wrote:They're both right, and both wrong, but the conservative politician makes more sense. All the research agrees that almost all serious crime is committed by a tiny number of prolific offenders, almost all of them young males. These people have psychological problems that cannot be fixed, but may sometimes become less severe with age. The criminal justice system should focus on identifying them and removing them from the community until they are too old to be dangerous. Instead, it just catches and releases them to commit more crimes. They need to be incarcerated. But the purpose of incarcerating them is not rehabilitation, punishment, or deterrence, none of which are effective. It is prevention.
Rancid wrote:I'm in the camp of "Other".
These thing are so complex it's foolish that a solution can be expressed with one simple statement. There is no "One weird trick" with respect to crime.
We turn often turn kids who make one mistake in to repeat offenders BTW. We also spend a lot of time prosecuting the non prolific offenders as well.
Rancid wrote:I'm in the camp of "Other".
These thing are so complex it's foolish that a solution can be expressed with one simple statement. There is no "One weird trick" with respect to crime.
We turn often turn kids who make one mistake in to repeat offenders BTW. We also spend a lot of time prosecuting the non prolific offenders as well.
Potemkin wrote:Spoken like a true Stalinist, @Truth To Power. And I mean that as a sincere compliment.
Unthinking Majority wrote:Then you're arguing on the side of systemic failure.
Rancid wrote:I am not. I'm saying, it is not one or the other. Don't put words in my mouth.
Unthinking Majority wrote:But you said it's not one or the other, and then went on to make an argument on the side of systemic failure. If you do see different arguments then ok.
Rancid wrote:What the video said, personal responsibility
Hakeer wrote:
Quick fix: Lock’em up.
If, as a society, we don’t do a better job of dealing with problems like youth mental health and drug addiction, there will be more coming.
Rancid wrote:What the video said, personal responsibility
Rancid wrote:These thing are so complex it's foolish that a solution can be expressed with one simple statement. There is no "One weird trick" with respect to crime.
Hakeer wrote:Ask the politician for one specific example of a criminal who has been arrested 60-70 times.
Rich wrote:QFT!
He didn't say anything about being arrested 60-70 times, he said 60 or 70 offenses which is entirely credible. One thing I am a fan of is shooting galleries. its important to look for opportunities to cut off substantial cash flows into the criminal economy. Stopping adult drug fiends from killing themselves should not be a top priority. The priorities should be reducing the cash flow into the criminal gangs, reducing the petty crime that fiends use to fund their habits and reducing the supply of drugs to under eighteens.
Hakeer wrote:His exact words were “repeat violent offenses”. Ask him to name a person who has 60-70 repeat violent offenses.
AFAIK wrote:You could compare the recidivism rates of different countries and then argue how big of an impact different policies and regimes have. Posting a video where the most coherent statement was, "people can't do crime whilst they're in prison but once they're released, who knows?" won't get you very far.
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