[QatzelOk]

Why do dogs always choose the hand that feeds them?

Could a dog survive without this hand?

If not, then dog-kind is already in big trouble.

[SpecialOlympian]

As many of you know, not long ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a full scale invasion against Ukraine.

You answered the question in the title of the post.

People tend to empathize with victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it.

How has this stupid thread reached 6 pages of discussion? I think America's funding of the Ukranian army and how it relates to America's (the only real country) aims of global force projection is a valid point of discussion, but as for who I sympathize with: I'm going to go with the people fighting off an invasion by an imperial power. Like, that's so fucking easy.

How the fuck did you create a thread titled "Why do Americans automatically side with Ukraine over Russia" and then have the first sentence in your post be: "As many of you know, not long ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a full scale invasion against Ukraine?" Are you retarded?

Not long ago? Is this a fucking childrens' fairy tail you're telling us???

[QatzelOk]

...People tend to empathize with victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it...

And this is why propaganda is constantly lying about who is responsible for violent acts. Media is owned by the financiers who funded the Ukraine coup d'etat, and is owned by the people who are massacring the indigenous people of Palestine.

Euro-jews invaded Palestine more than 70 years ago, making life hell for the local indigenous people.

American money overthrew Ukraine's government in 2014 and there has been a civil war there ever since.

Learn to read, listen and think, and you won't shake your giant styrofoam hand so quickly next time, American people as depicted by Spesh.

[Rich]

In the West we're all fighting the Nazis

Well at least 99 percent of us are. When people in the West support the Ukraine they're fighting the Nazis, they're fighting Putler, the new Hitler. You only have to look at the Wagner group to know their Nazis. Yes, yes, yes the Azov formation was perhaps an incy, wincy little bit Nazi. Maybe, just maybe, the resemblance of their insignia to 2nd SS Panzer wasn't a total coincidence. But even if was and I'm not saying it was Azov are not the reason that, most westerners are supporting Ukraine. They are not backing Ukraine because of a love of Azov and Stephan Bandera. Lets be honest friends a lot these Liberals are not exactly widely read, most of them had probably never heard of Stephan Bandera.

Similarly many of the harder leftists are backing Russia because they oppose Nazism. Because they oppose hate filled racist liberal bigots that openly call the Russians sub humans. They oppose the racist filth westerners who never gave a fuck for the millions of very dark skinned Africans that have died in conflicts over the last decades, but are white hot with rage, because they see the freedoms of decent Ukrainian White people abused by what they see as Asiatic sub humans.

If you look at the conflict around Gaza, you will again see that most westerners whether they are the most hard line supporters of Israel or the most hard line supporters of Hamas see it as part of the struggle to defeat Hitler and the Nazis.

[Potemkin]

In the West we're all fighting the Nazis

Well at least 99 percent of us are. When people in the West support the Ukraine they're fighting the Nazis, they're fighting Putler, the new Hitler. You only have to look at the Wagner group to know their Nazis. Yes, yes, yes the Azov formation was perhaps an incy, wincy little bit Nazi. Maybe, just maybe, the resemblance of their insignia to 2nd SS Panzer wasn't a total coincidence. But even if was and I'm not saying it was Azov are not the reason that, most westerners are supporting Ukraine. They are not backing Ukraine because of a love of Azov and Stephan Bandera. Lets be honest friends a lot these Liberals are not exactly widely read, most of them had probably never heard of Stephan Bandera.

Similarly many of the harder leftists are backing Russia because they oppose Nazism. Because they oppose hate filled racist liberal bigots that openly call the Russians sub humans. They oppose the racist filth westerners who never gave a fuck for the millions of very dark skinned Africans that have died in conflicts over the last decades, but are white hot with rage, because they see the freedoms of decent Ukrainian White people abused by what they see as Asiatic sub humans.

If you look at the conflict around Gaza, you will again see that most westerners whether they are the most hard line supporters of Israel or the most hard line supporters of Hamas see it as part of the struggle to defeat Hitler and the Nazis.

Every conflict the West finds itself in, or which it creates itself, is always and by definition an extension of the Second World War. Because Hitler just won’t stay defeated. He keeps reincarnating himself, sometimes in multiple people simultaneously. He’s tricky that way.

[skinster]

People tend to empathize with victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it.

And that's why some of us support Russian intervention. The people in the Donbass were suffering a genocide and Russia (reluctantly) went in to protect them. They tried peaceful negotiations for years before that.

I think America's funding of the Ukranian army and how it relates to America's (the only real country) aims of global force projection is a valid point of discussion, but as for who I sympathize with: I'm going to go with the people fighting off an invasion by an imperial power.

Then you should be supporting the Russians in this proxy war.

Not long ago? Is this a fucking childrens' fairy tail you're telling us???

This type of comment suggests you believe the war began in 2022. That is incorrect.

[albionfagan]

It's the exact same in Russia though, Hitler and Nazism is found in every enemy to justify war.

[FiveofSwords]

Every conflict the West finds itself in, or which it creates itself, is always and by definition an extension of the Second World War. Because Hitler just won’t stay defeated. He keeps reincarnating himself, sometimes in multiple people simultaneously. He’s tricky that way.

It is remarkable that you can actually type this and have zero awareness of how crazy it is or indeed what it even implies if true.

Yes...you have unresolved problems with Hitler, imo. And there will never be peace until he finally wins.

[RealPolitic]

@Potemkin

I think Nazis come about from members of society, especially from elite members of society who enjoy a lot of wealth and privilege, feel that privilege, status, and power, begin to slip away. This is the sort of thing that can happen anywhere. Of course, they like to scapegoat various groups too when this happens. Was this how the Nazis in Germany slowly and gradually gained power?

[Potemkin]

It is remarkable that you can actually type this and have zero awareness of how crazy it is or indeed what it even implies if true.

Yes...you have unresolved problems with Hitler, imo. And there will never be peace until he finally wins.

I was being sarcastic, @FiveofSwords. Hitler was defeated utterly and totally in 1945. He was as defeated as it’s possible to get. But he lives on in the fevered imaginations of our lords and masters, who justify every war of aggression they choose to wage by claiming they are facing “a new Hitler”. Which is rather ironic really, as it is they who are actually behaving as Hitler behaved.

On a side note, what is it with Americans and irony?

[Tainari88]

I was being sarcastic, @FiveofSwords. Hitler was defeated utterly and totally in 1945. He was as defeated as it’s possible to get. But he lives on in the fevered imaginations of our lords and masters, who justify every war of aggression they choose to wage by claiming they are facing “a new Hitler”. Which is rather ironic really, as it is they who are actually behaving as Hitler behaved.

On a side note, what is it with Americans and irony?

American Neo Nazis have an issue with irony. That Five Man can't have Hitler man criticized. He is a man still living on in Colombia speaking Spanish all day. He lives on forever. Haha.

[FiveofSwords]

I was being sarcastic, @FiveofSwords. Hitler was defeated utterly and totally in 1945. He was as defeated as it’s possible to get. But he lives on in the fevered imaginations of our lords and masters, who justify every war of aggression they choose to wage by claiming they are facing “a new Hitler”. Which is rather ironic really, as it is they who are actually behaving as Hitler behaved.

On a side note, what is it with Americans and irony?

Well if you are clever enough to know that our elite lie all the time...what makes you think they weren't lying about Hitler himself?

[Tainari88]

Well if you are clever enough to know that our elite lie all the time...what makes you think they weren't lying about Hitler himself?

[Potemkin]

Well if you are clever enough to know that our elite lie all the time...what makes you think they weren't lying about Hitler himself?

Homer Simpson explains the concept of sarcasm…

[FiveofSwords]

Homer Simpson explains the concept of sarcasm…

In order for me to believe someone is being sarcastic, I have to respect their sanity/intelligence. If a guy like you tells me the earth is flat, I'm going to believe that you believe that.

[Potemkin]

In order for me to believe someone is being sarcastic, I have to respect their sanity/intelligence. If a guy like you tells me the earth is flat, I'm going to believe that you believe that.

“It’s not me, it’s you!”

[QatzelOk]

Well if you are clever enough to know that our elite lie all the time...what makes you think they weren't lying about Hitler himself?

Rather than facing hard truths and asking difficult questions, most Brits just fall back on irony and eat their shit sandwich with a muted smile on their faces.

That's what a "stiff upper lip is." Shit-sandwich-provoked paralysis.

[FiveofSwords]

Rather than facing hard truths and asking difficult questions, most Brits just fall back on irony and eat their shit sandwich with a muted smile on their faces.

That's what a "stiff upper lip is." Shit-sandwich-provoked paralysis.

I think a big part of the reason ww2 has to only be about what sort of supernatural evil Hitler was supposed to be, it would draw attention to how horrible the allies were and how many atrocities they committed..culminating in actually using nuclear weapons.

In his autobiography, otto skorenzy related that Hitler refused to develop nuclear weapons because they were so potentially destructive that it would not even be worth winning a war. That also checks out with what we know about heisenberg etc. Certainly Germany could have developed them first because they had the best nuclear scientists...they just didnt

[QatzelOk]

I think a big part of the reason ww2 has to only be about what sort of supernatural evil Hitler was supposed to be, ...

Yes, even way back then, the West had a monopolized media which was able to make millions believe obviously silly lies through propaganda. The propaganda of the mid-20th Century is very interesting to watch in the present... because the tactics of that period no longer work, and you can see through the lies fairly easily with today's eyes.

Of course, in the 1930s and 40s, the mainstream media monopoly had "religion" and "generalized racism" to work with as tools as well.

Today, it is primarily mainstream media that is religious and racist, while the general public seems to want to "move on" but can't because its elite are married to their power-seeking strategies like racist propaganda against other nations and peoples.