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Tainari88 wrote:I don't trust billionaires at all. You might. But that particular man only really represents either a puppet or he is going to be doing the most for HIMSELF. He isn't a man who believes in empathy or respect for poor people. He is racist, and a pig. In morality most of all. I never trust immoral people. He is immoral. I would not be surprised if he lusts after his own daughter and is found out to be an incestuous piece of crap man. He is going to hell for sure and Jesus would send him to the lake of fire for being nasty, lying and a pig. I hope Jesus does so. That is how I feel about Trump.

If you follow Satan you follow Satan Hindsite. End of story.

Tainari88 smiles at Hindsite. He is a pig Hindsite. I think he is as Godstud said, a bucket of piss with floating poop inside. That is who he is as a person.

That is not the end of story. For God put Donald Trump in that position. He is the Trump of God.
Praise the Lord.

Daniel 2:21
God is the one who changes times and eras, who dethrones one king, only to establish another, who grants wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with insight.

Romans 13:1-2
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Romans 13:6
For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

1 Peter 2:13-14
Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.
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Hindsite wrote:That is not the end of story. For God put Donald Trump in that position. He is the Trump of God.
Praise the Lord.

Daniel 2:21
God is the one who changes times and eras, who dethrones one king, only to establish another, who grants wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with insight.

Romans 13:1-2
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Romans 13:6
For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

1 Peter 2:13-14
Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.



I think you should worship your Lord and God and not mundane politicians. Remember Hindsite, Satan did offer Jesus all the riches of the world and armies if he only betrayed his love for God. He offered Jesus of Nazareth mundane things. Money and worldly power. Why? Because Satan controls such things. And he el Satanas, is controlling that man. No doubt in mind.

Go an worship the Golden Calf and those who exalt their possessions, and two RVs and big fancy homes. Jesus is not in those things. You think being Christian is about holding on to things and possessions, gold and money and cheer on people who do it to the point of vulgarity. Like Trump.

No modest Protestant from the first settlement of the USA would have approved of such things. Against the Protestant idea of modesty. The Amish did not even used to permit buttons. They were considered 'vain''.

It is just easy for you to submit your will to someone who will back unChristian habits in believers. Such as loving wealth and worshiping the Golden Calf, hating on Mexicans and Central Americans who are overwhelmingly poor and very Christian. Especially in El Salvador. And many other violations of Christian doctrine.

In the End? Submitting to a Satan fueled state is serving Satan. I am writing to you Hindsite because you claim to love Jesus. But you don't act like a very consistent Christian. Defending a man who is vulgar, an adulterer, loves wealth, mundane power and lies all the time. For Politicians? That is common.

I respect the True Christians I know. They don't worship anything but God. Not Trump, Pelosi or anyone in politics. They find it polluting their relationship with God. They don't have those kinds of contradictions.
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XogGyux wrote:Do you know what a pipette is? This is a pipette:


Are you implying that in non-communist Caribbean countries (like Haiti and Jamaica), average people use 3-D printers to make custom-designed pipettes for every medical occasion?

OR are you comparing a developing country living under sanctions to some idealized TV fantasy hospital with cutting-edge everything and saying communism prevents this sit-com hospital from becoming real?

Cubans make due with what they have, and currently enjoy a longer lifespan than "walking on the moon next to giant SUVs" yanks.
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QatzelOk wrote:Are you implying that in non-communist Caribbean countries (like Haiti and Jamaica), average people use 3-D printers to make custom-designed pipettes for every medical occasion?

OR are you comparing a developing country living under sanctions to some idealized TV fantasy hospital with cutting-edge everything and saying communism prevents this sit-com hospital from becoming real?

Cubans make due with what they have, and currently enjoy a longer lifespan than "walking on the moon next to giant SUVs" yanks.


I don't know what you are trying to say with 3-d printers or anything. 3D printers are new and although I bet the few cubans that might have access to these might be taking huge advantages I doubt their use is widespread. In any care, i don't see the relevance. You cannot be considered a some sort of healthcare powerhouse when your doctors are at risk of drinking a little bit of pee while doing laboratory testing. :lol: You cannot be considered an education powerhouse when you have your student population "watching" the lectures from an old, small tv with poor reception and your books are Soviet-era 40+ years old, missing pages, eaten by rodents and scarce to the point you have to share.

Again, enough with the comparisons. Haiti and Cuba were at dramatically different points in the early 1950's before Fidel arrived.
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@XogGyux most Latin American immigrants from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, are fleeing intolerable levels of poverty and or crime. All three of them are capitalist economies.

I don't think any of your relatives were in jail for being 'contrarrevolucionarios'.

They were Cuban doctors living in poverty. They wanted decent standards of living for you and their relatives. No surprise there.

So does every Latino immigrant from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico. So do Boricuas living in the dark without running water and 80% unemployment and dying without insulin for refrigeration. The American gov't promised us middle class shit too. They never delivered for the majority. Instead they have us on food coupons, with bad public schools and old outdated textbooks. Closed hundreds of schools and no control over a thing. Ruled by a panel of vulture bankers. PROMESA panel.

If Cuba is a dictatorship still? With old Fidel dead? How to make it first world @XogGyux ?

Do you want another Bay of Pigs invasion filled with Trump militarism? Do you trust that orange tan man to transform Cuba? I don't. The Cuban people need to do it.

Middle class life is obtained for you now? Probably because your family pulled together and got you tutors and a decent education. Do ghetto kids in inner city schools get great educations in the USA? L.A. unified school district is on strike. 50 kids per room and no librarians, nurses, school counselors and bad conditions. In a nation who's currency is accepted worldwide. Their sin is not caring. Not lack of money if they cared.

Cuba needs change. But knowing how they behave with Puerto Rico? I would not trust them with a Cuban invasion and being nice guys doing Great Works on the behalf of democracy for that dysfunctional scene you described? Would you?
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750,000 students in California (concentrated in LA) have an undocumented parent. 250,000 of the kids are undocumented themselves. This will increase class size.
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Tainari88 wrote:@XogGyux most Latin American immigrants from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, are fleeing intolerable levels of poverty and or crime. All three of them are capitalist economies.

I don't think that tells the whole story. All of 1st world countries are capitalists (with socialist programs integrated to different degrees) so the fact that they are capitalists do not necessarily tell us that's the reason why they have failed. In fact, we do have some historical examples of countries that moved more to the left (e.g. Venezuela) that also failed in part (but not exclusively) due to this shift.
Personally, I do not see it as a matter of capitalism vs socialism. I think that's a major distraction. I think countries whose population have less access to education, internet, information, news, international market, etc are at greater risk to succumb to dictatorships and/or abuse by oligarchs. The more freedom, access to the internet, education etc a country has, the more likely are their population to have a functioning democracy.

I don't think any of your relatives were in jail for being 'contrarrevolucionarios'.

Not really, but then again we were not very "out" per se. I did know people that were in jail as political prisoners but by the time I was an adolescent it was much less common for the goverment to be as recarcitrant as it was before.

So does every Latino immigrant from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico. So do Boricuas living in the dark without running water and 80% unemployment and dying without insulin for refrigeration. The American gov't promised us middle class shit too. They never delivered for the majority. Instead they have us on food coupons, with bad public schools and old outdated textbooks. Closed hundreds of schools and no control over a thing. Ruled by a panel of vulture bankers. PROMESA panel.

Yeah well, I don't trust much of what the US government promises lol. Even when well-meaning, the mere fact our politics shift every ~8 or so years does not make for stable promises. And every year it seems that to be a republican you have to hate 100% of what the democrat wants/think and to be a democrat you have to do the same. The era of actually thinking problems through is over! :lol:

If Cuba is a dictatorship still? With old Fidel dead? How to make it first world @XogGyux ?

I would still think Cuba is a dictatorship. I have not seen any steps towards real actual democracy, I do not think that so long as the only party in cuba is the communist party things will really significantly change. I am optimistic that Raul did the right thing but the pessimist in me doesn't trust the delinquents that are actually in power. Time will tell. The fact that the private business have boomed and the population now have access to the internet (although I bet very severely censored) is a good first step. If the US would have kept the path that Obama put us, I would be more optimistic. Like I said, there is nothing more powerful to fight a dictatorship than information and access to the world.

How to make it first world @XogGyux ?

I don't think that is on the table for the first half of the 21st century for cuba I am afraid.

Do you want another Bay of Pigs invasion filled with Trump militarism? Do you trust that orange tan man to transform Cuba? I don't. The Cuban people need to do it.

Absolutely not. This is the kind of shit that would fuel the cuban goverment and garbanize the population in the oposite direction if for nothing else misinformation from the cuban goverment. I honestly think that without the embargo Fidel's reign would have ended a long long time ago.

Middle class life is obtained for you now? Probably because your family pulled together and got you tutors and a decent education. Do ghetto kids in inner-city schools get great educations in the USA? L.A. unified school district is on strike. 50 kids per room and no librarians, nurses, school counselors and bad conditions. In a nation who's currency is accepted worldwide. Their sin is not caring. Not lack of money if they cared.

That is actually what scares me the most in this country. The constant abhor for education and learning. The dismissal of science and lately the questioning of facts. This leads to weak, feeble minds that are easily controlled.

Cuba needs change. But knowing how they behave with Puerto Rico? I would not trust them with a Cuban invasion and being nice guys doing Great Works on the behalf of democracy for that dysfunctional scene you described? Would you?

IMO puerto rico should have been a state a long time ago. This half-half way is not working for it. Full independence would be an option but it seems the US does not want any non-english nation in this part of the world to succeed. I find it very disappointing that we invest our resources in countries halfway around the world (China, India, Malaysia) when we could have been doing the same much closer (mexico, guatemala, panama) and make our neighbors stronger economically thanks to this partnership.
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XogGyux wrote:I would still think Cuba is a dictatorship. I have not seen any steps towards real actual democracy,

But then again, you're not looking for signs of democracy, or even interested in what that word might mean. It just means "living in a capitalist country watching lots of commercial media." Which is tempting to a lot of people, but it's not democracy.

I mentioned how Cubans are re-writing the constitution of their country - its founding and structuring document - in public consultation what will be followed by a binding popular vote.

Neither the USA nor Canada has ever held a popular consultation to re-write our constitutions. And you know what? This might not even be possible because our populations have become to politically ignorant and socially illiterate under the last hundred years of commercial media and suburban isolation.

We don't live under democracy here. We live under late-stage capitalism. And as a write mentioned, late-stage capitalism has created exactly ZERO miles of high speed rail in North America. Instead, late-stage capitalism has North Americans driving more dangerous vehicles (for pedestrians and cyclists) that consume for fossil fuels.

Not only are we not democratically governed, we're very very badly governed by the same kind of mafia that got kicked out of Cuba in the 50s.
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QatzelOk wrote:But then again, you're not looking for signs of democracy, or even interested in what that word might mean. It just means "living in a capitalist country watching lots of commercial media." Which is tempting to a lot of people, but it's not democracy.

I mentioned how Cubans are re-writing the constitution of their country - its founding and structuring document - in public consultation what will be followed by a binding popular vote.

Neither the USA nor Canada has ever held a popular consultation to re-write our constitutions. And you know what? This might not even be possible because our populations have become to politically ignorant and socially illiterate under the last hundred years of commercial media and suburban isolation.

We don't live under democracy here. We live under late-stage capitalism. And as a write mentioned, late-stage capitalism has created exactly ZERO miles of high speed rail in North America. Instead, late-stage capitalism has North Americans driving more dangerous vehicles (for pedestrians and cyclists) that consume for fossil fuels.

Not only are we not democratically governed, we're very very badly governed by the same kind of mafia that got kicked out of Cuba in the 50s.


There is no comparison. In most western countries we select leaders regularly and we change them... That did not happen in cuba for 50 years and when it finally happened is because he was old, weak and demented and he gave it to his brother... if that does not smell foul to you, I am really sorry but you have a problem. Granted, Raul was more progressive, but hardly an angel himself. All of this constitution crap and electing a new president until proven otherwise is simply smoke and show.

We can change our constitution, the fact that it is essentially extremely hard is not because we lack democracy but actually because we have it and have a very divided country.
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XogGyux wrote:There is no comparison. In most western countries we select leaders regularly and we change them...

And those leaders all do the same things because they've all been pre-chosen by money. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are NOT the kinds of visionary leaders that we need or want, this is just what money has decided we could "choose between." French and British democracies have likewise been hijacked by big piles of money mafias.

That did not happen in cuba for 50 years and when it finally happened is because he was old, weak and demented and he gave it to his brother... if that does not smell foul to you, I am really sorry but you have a problem. Granted, Raul was more progressive, but hardly an angel himself. All of this constitution crap and electing a new president until proven otherwise is simply smoke and show.

When a country is scraping the bottom of the bucket like Cuba under Batista (or North America now), it needs to make a revolutionary change and it needs to stick to the core principles for a long time. Obviously Fidel posed a long-term threat to Western lies, otherwise, the West wouldn't have tried to assassinate him so many times (how democratic is assasination, sanctions, or bombing other countries?).

We can change our constitution, the fact that it is essentially extremely hard is not because we lack democracy but actually because we have it and have a very divided country.

No we can't. We're too politically backwards in North America to fix our systemic problems. We are going to crash and burn because we're too drugged up with consumerism to notice our system is toxic.
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QatzelOk wrote:And those leaders all do the same things because they've all been pre-chosen by money. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are NOT the kinds of visionary leaders that we need or want, this is just what money has decided we could "choose between." French and British democracies have likewise been hijacked by big piles of money mafias.


When a country is scraping the bottom of the bucket like Cuba under Batista (or North America now), it needs to make a revolutionary change and it needs to stick to the core principles for a long time. Obviously Fidel posed a long-term threat to Western lies, otherwise, the West wouldn't have tried to assassinate him so many times (how democratic is assasination, sanctions, or bombing other countries?).


No we can't. We're too politically backwards in North America to fix our systemic problems. We are going to crash and burn because we're too drugged up with consumerism to notice our system is toxic.


Yeah yeah, You are not happy with your system's crooks so you go to somebody else's WORSE crooks. That's how stupid trump got elected, they did not like the Clinton crookedness, well guess what you are now stuck with somebody 1000x worse.

Cuba is exactly the same crap.

Cuba is the country where Doctors drive cabs, where adolescent kids are put to work in the country pulling sweet potato out of the ground and where the bathrooms have 5" tall pool of urine and feces that is contained by ever raising step-walls to avoid overflooding. The country where citizens of said country are illegals if they move to another province. The country was you could get 20-30 years of jail for being caught eating/dealing beef (wrap your mind around this, beef being treated as cocaine or heroine!). The place you think you are visiting is a facade. People jump into a tiny home-made boat go into the treacherous waters of the gulf of Mexico to cross a 90miles trek that could last days and have a very high chance of getting you killed for 1 reason...

I am not the biggest fan of rampant capitalism myself, and I certainly do not like the US "establishment" but make no mistake, compared to cuba's regimen this is paradise.
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XogGyux wrote:I don't think that tells the whole story. All of 1st world countries are capitalists (with socialist programs integrated to different degrees) so the fact that they are capitalists do not necessarily tell us that's the reason why they have failed. In fact, we do have some historical examples of countries that moved more to the left (e.g. Venezuela) that also failed in part (but not exclusively) due to this shift.
Personally, I do not see it as a matter of capitalism vs socialism. I think that's a major distraction. I think countries whose population have less access to education, internet, information, news, international market, etc are at greater risk to succumb to dictatorships and/or abuse by oligarchs. The more freedom, access to the internet, education etc a country has, the more likely are their population to have a functioning democracy.


The 5G internet is considered by the health insurance industry to be giving people cancer. But the FCC is totally powerless when faced with money and some late nineties laws and regulations. All the supposed 'freedoms' you talk about are totally controlled by profit driven industries as well as outright unapologetic monopolies @XogGyux . Money is fighting any form of Democratic rule. It is quite obvious in the USA with the SCOTUS decision in citizens United.

Not really, but then again we were not very "out" per se. I did know people that were in jail as political prisoners but by the time I was an adolescent it was much less common for the goverment to be as recarcitrant as it was before.


It seems to me USA gov't policy has always given Cuban citizens due to the animosity against any form of 'communism' a great deal of preferences versus strictly economic poverty citizens from Mexico or Central America or South America. It has been used as political score points between Washington D.C. and Havana. It is a lot of pressure to say that one must say that Cuba is the worst dictatorship the world has ever known when in reality? It doesn't compare with many other regimes propped up by the USA. It is not about democracy @XogGyux, for the USA it is about, is that bastard in charge? Or the more vitally important question is he our bastard in charge?
Yeah well, I don't trust much of what the US government promises lol. Even when well-meaning, the mere fact our politics shift every ~8 or so years does not make for stable promises. And every year it seems that to be a republican you have to hate 100% of what the democrat wants/think and to be a democrat you have to do the same. The era of actually thinking problems through is over! :lol:

The two sides in the USA are presented as very different from each other when in reality they share a vast majority of economic and political interests and vary on small issues.

I would still think Cuba is a dictatorship. I have not seen any steps towards real actual democracy, I do not think that so long as the only party in cuba is the communist party things will really significantly change. I am optimistic that Raul did the right thing but the pessimist in me doesn't trust the delinquents that are actually in power. Time will tell. The fact that the private business have boomed and the population now have access to the internet (although I bet very severely censored) is a good first step. If the US would have kept the path that Obama put us, I would be more optimistic. Like I said, there is nothing more powerful to fight a dictatorship than information and access to the world.

Very vital to any nation is not becoming a possession, or colony or plaything of empires! That is damn vital! But Spain wanted to keep Cuba in chains, so did the USA. I don't trust empires to look out for the interests of small nations they are used to bullying into compliance for a long, long time.

I don't think that is on the table for the first half of the 21st century for cuba I am afraid.


So in order to become a 'free' and Democratic nation Cuba needs to do exactly what? Imitate the USA? Solicit 51st state status? Speak English, let in the bankers to 'civilize' Cuba.

Absolutely not. This is the kind of shit that would fuel the cuban goverment and garbanize the population in the oposite direction if for nothing else misinformation from the cuban goverment. I honestly think that without the embargo Fidel's reign would have ended a long long time ago.


Did you know that the politically conservative pro-statehood party was founded in Puerto Rico in 1968? It was. One of its founding members was Luis A. Ferre, who's parents were engineers and owned cement factories in Puerto Rico, but they had French and Cuban origins. From the Right that Fidel ousted. The Cubans never thought becoming a colony of the USA was good for Cuba's future @XogGyux but it is 'good enough' for Puerto Rico. Freedom, democracy, paradise? Fuck no my man. Had to put a Spanish speaking Latin face on that 51st state bullshit idea with D. C. backing. Because no one of Puerto Rican ethnicity found being part of the USA a natural progression of a great relationship based on equal rights.

Do you think you can start a movement in Cuba now telling all Cubans to protest to be part of the USA states? How successful would that be? Or do the Cubans value their national identity and wo nt give it up for a ticket to a Trump takeover of their economy so they can get some first world lifestyles? You tell me?

And wasn't Fidel Castro born in Oriente? But ran around Havana for decades as an illegal alien in Havana?

Why didn't the CIA just off him in Mexico City while they were being trained by ex escuadron azul people from the Spanish civil war fascist side?

Exploding cigars, poisoned chocolate milk shakes, etc etc attempts to off the old Barbu and they all failed. Then he finally dies in his nineties...and they can hit the streets and ask for an American invasion to save them from poverty and oppression. They don't. The Miami exile crowd wants some action! Why not knock off the entire Cuban Communist party and replace it with liberal loving Democratic people who don't get corrupted by $$$$, and power. They are after all 1000 times better than those Cuban primitives?

Look how they do the Puerto Ricans? Just they are, and Mr Nice Guys, don't you agree @XogGyux ?
Imperialistic power hungry pro capitalists are not the shining light on the hill at all. At all.
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Tainari88 wrote:I think you should worship your Lord and God and not mundane politicians.

I respect the True Christians I know. They don't worship anything but God. Not Trump, Pelosi or anyone in politics. They find it polluting their relationship with God. They don't have those kinds of contradictions.

I quoted scripture on the subject of what we as Christians should do concerning our leaders. You ignore them and accuse me of the worship of Trump, instead of God. When I write "Praise the Lord" or "HalleluYah", I am referring to the God of the Holy Bible. When I say "Trump of God", I am referring to an instrument that God uses to alert his believers.

You think you have the right to judge my Christianity by others that you believe are true Christians. I get the impression from what you wrote that you think Jehovah's Witnesses are the True Christians. Unlike them, I believe Christians should vote and be involved in electing those that are not hostile to Christianity, such as Obama, who said we were no longer a Christian nation. And why would a Christian vote for a pro-abortion candidate like crooked Hillary? Trump promised to appoint pro-life judges. As a Christian, against killing babies in the mother's womb, the choice was easy for me and many other evangelical Christians.
HalleluYah
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@Hindsite I think it is very important to keep church and state separate.

I find people who claim to put Christ first in their lives commit to an extremely high moral and spiritual standard. It means sacrificing for others, sharing their time, money and above all loving all people--Mexicans, Blacks, poor, undocumented, Puerto Rican, Cuban, liberal, Muslim, Asian, etc All of humanity.

You remember the story of Paul right?

Paul persecuted the early Christian disciples. Like Peter, Thomas, Steven and many others. Why? Because he was a very religiously righteous Jew. Who backed the Jewish Rabbis of the Temple of Jerusalem. The High Rabbis rejected Jesus as the Messiah. He was condemned as a blasphemer. Jesus was given a crown of thorns for being a false Jewish King or Messiah. Herrod was the Jewish King of the Roman province of Judeah. So Jesus was the false prophet for Paul, a erudite and pride-filled Jew, surely God would not choose some simple fisherman as his 'rock'? Peter, Pedro. No. The Jewish faithful like Paul, were truly sincerely believing orthodox and traditional Jews. Can't have such humble men be the Great Chosen. The humble are NOT worthy. Are they?

Pontius Pilate was the Roman ruler. The Jewish power was based on religious traditional hierarchy. Jesus was the upstart, the threat, the usurper, the false one. Paul hated the influence, sway and power Jesus had over many traditional, God fearing Jews and gentiles. The message of? All are God's children even the Roman, the Gentile, the non Jewish, the non believers....all are Equal, loved regardless of status, wealth, station in life? It is a terrible threat to such a society. Ruled by strictly hierarchical structures. Jesus was found to be a traitor and guilty of 'sedition'. What did the Romans do with seditious traitors? History is clear. Spartacus the slave was crucified for the same crime. Many were before Jesus was, and afterwards. It was a common form of punishment for ancient Roman law codes. For blasphemy, sedition, and being a traitor and guilty of betraying the doctrines of his own people. The Jews.

You start saying everyone is worthy of God and all people are redeemable? Oh uh?

A threat.

Never mix the sacred and the mundane.

You wind up committed to being the prosecuter and committing terrible crimes against people who are different than you.
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Tainari88 wrote:@Hindsite I think it is very important to keep church and state separate.

I do too, if you are referring to the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution which states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Tainari88 wrote:I find people who claim to put Christ first in their lives commit to an extremely high moral and spiritual standard.

I do too. However, in Romans 3:23. Paul wrote, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
Tainari88 wrote:It means sacrificing for others, sharing their time, money and above all loving all people--Mexicans, Blacks, poor, undocumented, Puerto Rican, Cuban, liberal, Muslim, Asian, etc All of humanity.

Undocumented is a liberal word referring to illegal immigrants. That means they have broken the law and deserve punishment.

Tainari88 wrote:You remember the story of Paul right?

I remember it well. And in spite of the fact that Paul (as Saul) persecuted the early Christians, Jesus came to him in a vision and chose him as the main apostle to the Gentiles.

Acts 9:1–16
But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.” The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. Saul rose from the ground, and although his eyes were opened, he saw nothing. So they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” And the Lord said to him, “Rise and go to the street called Straight, and at the house of Judas look for a man of Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying, and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him so that he might regain his sight.” But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.”

Many Christians believe Donald Trump is also a chosen instrument (the Trump of God).
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ent-216537
Praise the Lord.
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skinster wrote:https://twitter.com/NatCounterPunch/status/1087391806470291458

I read this article about Title III, and its order that Cuba compensate the elite who lost their private wealth when it was nationalized by the people of Cuba. Thing is, a nation is defined by its people, and not by a handful of people who are friendly with the mob. Unfortunately, fake businessmen-created nations like the USA give the orders, and they want all the land on the earth to be controlled by a handful of incredibly corrupt interests - just like the USA is and always has been.

The other thing that strikes me is that, with Title III, the USA is asking another nation to compensate someone. The USA has never compensated the First Nations (injuns) it genocided, or the Africans it took as slaves. NEVER. So this is just more naked aggression from a huge bully nation in rapid decline - the School Shooting nation trying to claim the moral high ground.
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