[BigSteve]

This is why liberals are laughed at when they try to take part in any discussion regarding guns or the 2nd Amendment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ak6P50VaHg

[Pants-of-dog]

The military should be abolished.

All weapons currently owned by the USA should be distributed to militias. These militias should be run and staffed by those who are most vulnerable to government oppression: i.e. traditionally oppressed and marginalized communities and people.

[BigSteve]

[Pants-of-dog]

Aside from your comments being completely unrelated to the video I posted, the funniest part is that you're every bit as educated on guns as the idiot in the video.

I did not watch your video.

Is there an argument in the video that uses logic or evidence?

But, hey, if you want our guns, come get 'em...

I think it would be best if US citizens made the effort to make the US more democratic.

And I do not want your guns. You can keep all of your guns. And others will even get more guns.

[Presvias]

The video is some stupid politician + the looney tunes intro.

Clicked off of it.

Here's some more pertinent info:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/



And the killer point...

https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california- ... nstitution

“Choper observes the U.S. Supreme Court tacked the issue in the 2008 landmark case, District of Columbia v Heller, and that the justices’ ruling defines basic gun rights today. The majority opinion for that case was written by the late Antonin Scalia, a fervent Constitutional “originalist” and ardent gun enthusiast.

“The interesting thing about District of Columbia v Heller is that Scalia had to accommodate the other four justices who ultimately sided with him, ” Choper says. “As a consequence, it provides a very limited interpretation of the Second Amendment. It stipulates that a person has the right to own a gun to protect himself or herself, family, and property. That’s it. The decision does not imply the right to carry a weapon in public, including public buildings.”

Just as it would be hard to punish cities in an open carry state for allowing open carry during demonstrations, it would also be difficult to challenge authorities trying to stop trouble before it starts by banning firearms.
When it comes to applying District of Columbia v Heller in the streets, continues Choper, “[Cities] can find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They want to respect the right of free speech, and they need to protect public safety. Given that [public carry] currently is not protected by the Constitution, cities have the right to enforce ‘no gun’ rules.”

But municipalities located in open carry states may choose not to invoke gun strictures; and that’s what appears to have happened in Charlottesville. It raises the question: are cities that refuse to ban guns at public demonstrations liable if anyone gets hurt or killed?

“It would be an uphill battle to make liability stick for any [gun-related death] if the city is in an open carry state,” Choper says. “That isn’t to say authorities shouldn’t or couldn’t try to stop [people carrying guns during demonstrations]. So just as it would be hard to punish cities in an open carry state for allowing open carry during demonstrations, it would also be difficult to challenge authorities trying to stop trouble before it starts by banning firearms. All rules and laws have exceptions under extraordinary circumstances. No right, including the right to bear arms, is absolute.”

[Presvias]

[Rugoz]

Yep, somehow the "well-regulated militia" part is always ignored by gun nuts.

[Rancid]

I want to keep guns because I think they're just fucking cool.

That said, I'm not all that much against more regulation.

[BigSteve]

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[BigSteve]

I did not watch your video.

Is there an argument in the video that uses logic or evidence?

No, in fact it contains a profound lack of logic on the part of an idiot lib...

I think it would be best if US citizens made the effort to make the US more democratic.

Your opinion could not be more irrelevant...

[BigSteve]

The video is some stupid politician + the looney tunes intro.

Clicked off of it.

Of course you did. If you didn't, you'd have to acknowledge how flat out fucking stupid the woman is...

“The interesting thing about District of Columbia v Heller is that Scalia had to accommodate the other four justices who ultimately sided with him, ” Choper says. “As a consequence, it provides a very limited interpretation of the Second Amendment. It stipulates that a person has the right to own a gun to protect himself or herself, family, and property. That’s it. The decision does not imply the right to carry a weapon in public, including public buildings.”

I live in Florida. The case you refer to doesn't pertain to me.

I carry a concealed firearm, legally, quite often. The Supreme Court has never told me I cannot...

[Presvias]

Of course you did. If you didn't, you'd have to acknowledge how flat out fucking stupid the woman is...

Well, minus the 'fucking' and 'flat out' part, I kind of did acknowledge such.

I live in Florida. The case you refer to doesn't pertain to me.

I carry a concealed firearm, legally, quite often. The Supreme Court has never told me I cannot...

But....The ruling says that you're not really supposed to take it out with you anywhere in the whole country; the interpretation of that ruling says that it's at the discretion of individual local authorities wrt how much or little they enforce that.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that that's what it says.

But Trump himself has flirted with strict gun control after recent mass shootings.

IMHO;

- Guns should be optional at home; when going hunting for food; when going to a shooting range, and if you have farmland
- Unlicensed gun sellers (at gunshows etc) should be prohibited from selling weapons. And all licensed gun sellers should have to carry out comprehensive checks.

At the same time as that, I appreciate the libertarian anti-govt argument against background checks; that it's a stepping stone towards banning guns outright, and that it gives govts power to disarm & more easily control the population in the case of some emergency (if one is conspiratorially minded - not ref'ing to you- then FEMA camps may be involved -).

So I appreciate all sides of the argument. But I think my propositions are reasonable, and hopefully Trump will override the NRA lobby and pass something.

[Rancid]

I carry a concealed firearm, legally, quite often. The Supreme Court has never told me I cannot...

Are you one of those wackos that whips out their gun for any little thing?

When I lived in Florida, I got my concealed carry permit. I never carried, I just wanted to get it. Anyway, I was surprised at how easy it is to get the permit. Sit through a class, and empty a mag into a target that is 5ft away. I think it can be argued that the bar needs to be raised a bit on that one.

[BigSteve]

Are you one of those wackos that whips out their gun for any little thing?

No, not even close. I'm the type of person the idiot left wants you to believe doesn't exist: A perfectly sane, responsible gun owner. If and when I draw my weapon it is only because I intend to use it...

When I lived in Florida, I got my concealed carry permit. I never carried, I just wanted to get it. Anyway, I was surprised at how easy it is to get the permit. Sit through a class, and empty a mag into a target that is 5ft away. I think it can be argued that the bar needs to be raised a bit on that one.

I don't know that I'd argue that.

I'm retired military, so the "safety class" (which is really a joke) was waived for me. I just had to fill out the application, pay my application fee, and three weeks later it showed up in the mail...

[BigSteve]

Well, minus the 'fucking' and 'flat out' part, I kind of did acknowledge such.

You stated "I clicked off of it"...

But....The ruling says that you're not really supposed to take it out with you anywhere in the whole country; the interpretation of that ruling says that it's at the discretion of individual local authorities wrt how much or little they enforce that.

There are rules of reciprocity.

I can drive from Florida to the Maryland State line with my firearm, as my Florida CCW is honored in Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. I can drive from Florida to Nevada and carry a concealed weapon for the entire trip.

There are only a handful of States where I can't carry a concealed weapon with my Florida CCW...

But Trump himself has flirted with strict gun control after recent mass shootings.

I think background checks are fine. If someone doesn't have a CCW, then I have no problem with a reasonable waiting period (24-48h hours).

But I lso understand that stricter gun laws will not stop gun violence. We have pretty strict laws against murder and drug trafficking, but both still occur regularly...

- Guns should be optional at home; when going hunting for food; when going to a shooting range, and if you have farmland

Um, okay.

They already are...

- Unlicensed gun sellers (at gunshows etc) should be prohibited from selling weapons. And all licensed gun sellers should have to carry out comprehensive checks.

There are plenty of licensed resellers at gun shows.

In Florida, I can sell a gun to anyone I want, as long as that person is at least 1 years of age.

I've never done so, but the law allows it...

[SSDR]

No person in any part of the World should own any gun. Firearm ownership is so pathetic.

[BigSteve]

No person in any part of the World should own any gun. Firearm ownership is so pathetic.

Thank you for your usual shallow insight...

[Pants-of-dog]

Handing over all military weapons to marginalised and oppressed communities would be a step towards greater democracy.

This is because it would empower oppressed communities and disarm the oppressor.

And it would be entirely consistent with the 2nd amendment.

[Presvias]

You stated "I clicked off of it"...

"stupid politician"?

There are rules of reciprocity.

I can drive from Florida to the Maryland State line with my firearm, as my Florida CCW is honored in Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. I can drive from Florida to Nevada and carry a concealed weapon for the entire trip.

There are only a handful of States where I can't carry a concealed weapon with my Florida CCW...

I see, I didn't know those laws existed

But technically (unless the Supreme Court precedent is wrong or out of date..idk)
part of the snippet says "
Choper observes the U.S. Supreme Court tacked the issue in the 2008 landmark case, District of Columbia v Heller, and that the justices’ ruling defines basic gun rights today."

That implies that the laws apply universally to the whole country. It's just that they aren't strictly enforced.

Mind you, we have many laws that exist but are never enforced, ie old vagrancy laws and other stuff like that. I suppose you're saying it's an 'accepted norm' not to enforce this law.

Nonetheless, why do you feel the need for CCW? Do you feel unsafe often where you live?

I think background checks are fine. If someone doesn't have a CCW, then I have no problem with a reasonable waiting period (24-48h hours).

But I lso understand that stricter gun laws will not stop gun violence. We have pretty strict laws against murder and drug trafficking, but both still occur regularly...

I'm glad we agree re paragraph 1, re the 2nd; the statistics seem to show otherwise where stricter gun laws are concerned, the homicide and gun homicide rates per capita are substantially lower in countries with stricter gun laws. The sources for my claims are in the 1st post I made in this thread.

Um, okay.

They already are...

Of course, but I'm saying universally in most countries.

There are plenty of licensed resellers at gun shows.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

In Florida, I can sell a gun to anyone I want, as long as that person is at least 1 years of age.

I've never done so, but the law allows it...

Or be sold to.

Anyway, that's a stupid law I think.

[annatar1914]

Bottom line for me is as i've indicated before, the People have the right to be organized and armed in such a fashion that should genuine government disappear from the Land, they can set affairs into order and set up a new and popular government. Therefore, in the context of the 2nd Amendment and as a real Socialist, I cannot turn against the 2nd Amendment, and the People's right to take up their arms and overthrow tyranny and usurpation.