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Sivad wrote:"socialists" have destroyed socialism.

All of those American bombs, Agent Orange, sanctions, seeded civil wars, terror attacks, CIA interventions, and economic sabotage... may have played a small role as well. :eh:

Libya's socialism wasn't bombed by Venezuelan socialists. Yugoslavia's socialism wasn't destroyed by the People's Republic of China.

And it wasn't the Socialist Parties of the USA that killed all those black leaders who were fighting for socialism. Why, that was what Ameicans call "the Elite" or "the Deep State."

In blaming socialists for the misery that the USA and allies delivered onto them, you sound like a teenager blaming his victim for provoking him to rape or assault them. "You made me break your arm by wearing a blue shirt. You know I hate blue clothing!" This usually goes away when the teen matures into an adult.
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A state of exception (German: Ausnahmezustand) is a concept introduced in the 1920s by the Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt, similar to a state of emergency (martial law) but based in the sovereign's ability to transcend the rule of law in the name of the public good.

Agamben's text State of Exception investigates the increase of power by governments which they employ in supposed times of crisis. Within a state of emergency, Agamben refers to the states of exception, where constitutional rights can be diminished, superseded and rejected in the process of claiming this extension of power by a government.

The political power over others acquired through the state of exception, places one government—or one form or branch of government—as all powerful, operating outside the laws. During such times of extension of power, certain forms of knowledge shall be privileged and accepted as true and certain voices shall be heard as valued, while of course, many others are not. This oppressive distinction holds great importance in relation to the production of knowledge. The process of both acquiring knowledge, and suppressing certain knowledge, is a violent act within a time of crisis.

Agamben's State of Exception investigates how the suspension of laws within a state of emergency or crisis can become a prolonged state of being. More specifically, Agamben addresses how this prolonged state of exception operates to deprive individuals of their citizenship.

Giorgio Agamben, excerpt from “The state of exception provoked by an unmotivated emergency”

why do the media and the authorities do their utmost to create a climate of panic, thus provoking a true state of exception, with severe limitations on movement and the suspension of daily life and work activities for entire regions?

Two factors can help explain such a disproportionate response.

First and foremost, what is once again manifest here is the growing tendency to use the state of exception as a normal governing paradigm. The executive decree (decreto legge), approved by the government “for reasons of hygiene and public safety,” produces a real militarization “of those municipalities and areas in which there is at least one person who tests positive and for whom the source of the infection is unknown, or in which there is a least one case that is not connected to a person who recently traveled from an area affected by the contagion.”

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Such a vague and indeterminate formula will allow [the government] to rapidly extend the state of exception to all regions, as it is practically impossible that other cases will not appear elsewhere.

We might say that once terrorism was exhausted as a justification for exceptional measures, the invention of an epidemic could offer the ideal pretext for broadening such measures beyond any limitation.

The other factor, no less disquieting, is the state of fear, which in recent years has diffused into individual consciousnesses and which translates into a real need for states of collective panic, for which the epidemic once again offers the ideal pretext.

Therefore, in a perverse vicious circle, the limitation of freedom imposed by governments is accepted in the name of a desire for safety, which has been created by the same governments who now intervene to satisfy it.
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