Steve_American wrote:Surely this was that attitude of Trump when he ordered the peaceful protesters in front of the White House to be as quickly as possible cleared so that he could walk across the park and street to stage a photo-op.
They were not peaceful. They were routinely throwing filled water bottles at the Secret Service, covering public property in graffiti, trying to tear down the statue of Andrew Jackson and even tried to light the church on fire where Trump sought a photo-op.
Steve_American wrote:I would like to remind everyone of what happened in Charlotte, VA early in the Trump admin. Then about 200 Nazis marched in the streets and said they were peaceful. Then one of them drove his car into a crowd and killed a woman.
That's not what happened in Charlottesville. A Unite the Right movement was against the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue. They protested peacefully, but without a permit. They were ordered to disperse, and they did. Then, they got a permit for another protest and their numbers grew. The mayor was upset that there was no counterprotest to the first protest, so he got Antifa/BLM and other groups ready for a counter protest. During the second protest, naturally, the Antifa/BLM types were violent, and 22 of them were arrested. None of the Unite the Right people were arrested, including some neo-Nazis because they were all peaceful. Then, Unite the Right petitioned to protest again, and their permit was denied by the mayor, and they had to sue to get the permit and won their suit. This time, the mayor of Charlotte ordered the police to stand down--allowing Antifa/BLM to violently attack the Unite the Right crowd, which they did. The police declared an unlawful assembly and the Unite the Right crowd dispersed. The Antifa/BLM people continued marching in the street unlawfully. Then, James Fields ran them down with his car, evidently killing Heather Heyer in the process.
So let's not leave out the context. It wasn't some one-dimensional story. Everybody knows it, and everybody knows the media lied about it.
Steve_American wrote:The Nazis said they were not involved that he was just one person, and not 'them'.
It was just one person in a car.
Steve_American wrote:Now, we see the people who supported the Nazis painting the current protesters as all being violent when it is 800,000 peaceful and 200 (?) violent, so this is 1/4000 who are violent.
There aren't nearly 800k people protesting. Most of them are professional protesters harvested from a criminal class of people specifically to get violent. For example, when Kyle Rittenhouse had to defend his life, shooting three people, every single one of them had a felony criminal record, such as registered sex offender, domestic violence, strangulation, etc. If you are defending yourself from a mob and you have to shoot three people, do you know what the odds are that all three people you shoot would all have significant criminal records? It would be about a 0.002% chance. You can continue to try to pretend that these people are all "peaceful." We know that they aren't.
Steve_American wrote:Should we now round up all 200 of the marching Nazis and charge them with murder? NO, but I'd like the people on the right to STFU.
No. We won't shut up. Michael Forest Reinoehl was arrested for illegally carrying a gun at a protest in violation of gun control laws. He was then let go by the DA and given his gun back, because they decided not to prosecute potentially violent protesters even after they had broken the law. Reinoehl then went on to kill a Patriot Prayer protester, Aaron Danielson, in cold blood after hunting him down. This is being done deliberately with the sanction of the state, just as the Charlotte, VA Unite the Right rally was deliberately attacked by Antifa/BLM and others with the coordination of the mayor.
Following a memorial service for Aaron Danlielson, another Antifa/BLM terrorist followed attendees to a bar where they were having a celebration of life party for Aaron Danielson, and the terrorist ran over Shane Moon. https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/sep ... rking-lot/
The Democrats want violence, because they think it will help them electorally. However, it seems to be backfiring on them.
Steve_American wrote:The fact that criminals use the protests to steal or burn buildings is not the fault of the other 800,000 protesters.
There aren't 800k other protesters. This is why assemblies need to be peaceable, permitted, and police present to maintain order. Unlawful assemblies lead to riots. So anyone participating without a permitted assembly is creating the conditions for lawlessness.
Godstud wrote:Most of the protests are peaceful, and it's the police who are instigating violence and brutality.
The police have not been setting fire to their own police cars, killing people on the street, setting fire to businesses or looting. That's a lie.
Steve_American wrote:Is it because they have *no* counter argument?
I hope I can shame some into replying.
It's because we didn't need another thread for this topic.
Steve_American wrote:Why are all these protesters to be blamed for the actions of the few and clubed, when the neo-Nazis were not held to the same standard?
The neo-Nazis did not start any violence. Antifa/BLM did with the sanction of the Charlotte mayor and a police order to stand down. Plus, the neo-Nazis did not go around burning buildings, setting police cars on fire, breaking windows, or looting. James Fields was mentally ill and evidently had some sort of melt down. Heather Heyer died. That's one person. So far more than 30 people have died in the Antifa/BLM riots. In case you're no good at math, that's 30 times as many deaths. There was also little or no property destruction by the Unite the Right people, whereas entire police precincts have been burned and shuttered and blocks of a city taken over with no response from law enforcement. In other venues, over 700 law enforcement officers have been injured. Over 250 CVS and over 350 Walgreens pharmacies have been looted.
There is a reason Democrats are going to lose. They spurned this on, and then cut police budgets in the thick of riots they started.
Steve_American wrote:Your side is losing the propaganda fight.
You're dreaming if you think that's the case. Former Democrats, liberals, people in favor of gun control are buying guns in the millions now.
Steve_American wrote:I claim that most of the fires were set by just a few people and that at least some of them were set by gov. agents to provoke outrage and provide a reason for a harsh crack down. You can't prove me wrong, not yet at least.
Well, you haven't provided any evidence for a claim like this. Trump hasn't provided a harsh crack down. It's a local law enforcement issue, and becomes a state law enforcement issue when local forces request help. For attacks on federal property, it's a federal issue. For crossing state lines to commit violence, it's also a federal issue.
Steve_American wrote:As for "looting", you elevate property right over human rights. I elevate human rights over property rights. Property is often insured, dead people can't be brought back to life.
Watch this video showing the recent riots in Chicago--with remaining aftermath from the riots in 1968.
Insurance doesn't cover forces majeure in many cases. Do you understand why Macys and Bloomingdales are leaving Chicago? Do you see why WalMart is likely to follow? It's not a freebie that you get to slough off on insurance companies as if it were somehow cost free. Riots do lasting damage, because insurance frequently doesn't pay out for riots. It destroys businesses, livelihoods, and entire communities. Detroit never recovered from the riots in the 1960s. These riots will hurt the urban poor the hardest, and they are turning against the Democrats now.