[Donna]

It's a term of derision used by racists to describe whites who are anti-racist allies.

[Unthinking Majority]

Unlike blacks, whites have not been shamed for their color.

You been on twitter the last 5 years at all?

5 years obviously isn't any comparison to 400 years, but 2 wrongs also don't make a right.

[Unthinking Majority]

It's a term of derision used by racists to describe whites who are anti-racist allies.

I'm sure that's true.

It's still a fact though. That doesn't mean white people shouldn't be allies. But they also don't have to do so while feeling guilty for their skin colour, but they should feel guilty if they've been racist towards POC. We should be targeting racists, not people with white skin, because that's racist.

[Sivad]

The White-Guilt Cult

A look at woke religiosity
Cary, N.C., June 7. Amidst nationwide Black Lives Matter protests, a black man and woman are seated on a park bench while a white woman wearing a sweatshirt that reads “LOVE” takes to her megaphone. “We repent on behalf of, uh, Caucasian people,” she says. A small crowd of white people comes to kneel before the two seated black folks, who are co-pastors of a local church. Some of the kneelers wash the feet of the black people. A white man with an English accent solemnly intones, “It’s our honor to stand here on behalf of all white people, . . . repenting, Lord, for our aggression, Lord, repenting for our pride, for thinking that we are better, that we are above.” Police officers join the ritual. Several people start audibly weeping, or keening, as the speaker continues. Roughly a rozen people join in the gesture and kneel before the black couple. “We have put our necks, put our hands, our knees, upon the necks of our African-American brothers and sisters, people of color, indigenous people,” says the English man. “Lord, where we as a church, a white church, have used you as a persecution towards black people, Lord, as we’ve burnt crosses, as we’ve burnt churches, . . . we’ve used it as a weapon against people of color.”

It’s been coming for some time, this transmutation of white guilt into a cult, a religion that borrows from and intersects with Christianity but substitutes its own liturgy.

The original sin in the White Guilt Cult, the New Church of Anti-Racism, is to be, “uh, Caucasian people.”

Anti-racism is the most critical element of a broader new Woke Orthodoxy whose other elements include environmental apocalypticism, feminism, and a severing of sexual identity from genetic indicators. Settling on a term for the new religion will take some time. Wesley Yang’s suggestion (seconded by Ross Douthat) of “the Successor Ideology” is clunky, anodyne, and a bit euphemistic given the righteous, roiling fervor and unnerving credulousness that define the cult.

Devotees immerse themselves in the sacred texts of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi (né Ibram Henry Rogers of Queens), books designed to make white wokesters writhe with a kind of ecstatic anguish. Indoctrination in early childhood is taken up as a parental duty (Kendi’s new board book for toddlers, Antiracist Baby, is a hot seller), parishioners engage in ritualistic incantation of sacred phrases (“Hands up, don’t shoot,” “I can’t breathe”), and there are mass displays of penitential self-abasement. All over the country, guilty white crowds have gathered to reenact the circumstances of George Floyd’s horrifying death.

The new clergy consists of black thought leaders (Coates, Kendi, Stacey Abrams) and those white people who loudly proclaim themselves allies and proselytize for the organizing dogma, which is that everything is racist. Those who question orthodoxy are kept at bay, derided as “conservatives” who are “arguing in bad faith” if not actual racists. “For example, one is not to ask ‘Why are black people so upset about one white cop killing a black man when black men are at much more danger of being killed by one another?’” wrote John McWhorter in his 2015 essay “Antiracism, Our Flawed New Religion.” “The answers are flabby but further questions are unwelcome,” McWhorter added. The much-promised “conversation on race” consists of repeating points in the catechism to enhance their power — phrases such as “I must do better,” “white privilege,” “systemic racism,” “white supremacy,” “allyship.”

“There is more dogmatism in this ideology than in most of contemporary American Catholicism,” writes the Catholic columnist Andrew Sullivan. “And more intolerance. Question any significant part of this, and your moral integrity as a human being is called into question.” As the fierceness of old religions fades, a corresponding desire for a new righteous fury rises. The fervor sweeping through the South (but not just the South) to pull down statues seen as blasphemous to the new faith loudly echoes the 16th-century rampage through the monasteries that burned icons and laid waste to stained glass.
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine ... t/#slide-1

[Unthinking Majority]

So if someone has lived their whole life dealing with racism, we should treat them like someone who has never dealt with racism?

Nobody should be elevated over someone else simply on the basis of skin colour. Personal experience dealing with racism is different. We can help people struggling with racism, just don't do it in a way that's also racist.

[Donna]

The White-Guilt Cult

A look at woke religiosity
Cary, N.C., June 7. Amidst nationwide Black Lives Matter protests, a black man and woman are seated on a park bench while a white woman wearing a sweatshirt that reads “LOVE” takes to her megaphone. “We repent on behalf of, uh, Caucasian people,” she says. A small crowd of white people comes to kneel before the two seated black folks, who are co-pastors of a local church. Some of the kneelers wash the feet of the black people. A white man with an English accent solemnly intones, “It’s our honor to stand here on behalf of all white people, . . . repenting, Lord, for our aggression, Lord, repenting for our pride, for thinking that we are better, that we are above.” Police officers join the ritual. Several people start audibly weeping, or keening, as the speaker continues. Roughly a rozen people join in the gesture and kneel before the black couple. “We have put our necks, put our hands, our knees, upon the necks of our African-American brothers and sisters, people of color, indigenous people,” says the English man. “Lord, where we as a church, a white church, have used you as a persecution towards black people, Lord, as we’ve burnt crosses, as we’ve burnt churches, . . . we’ve used it as a weapon against people of color.”

It’s been coming for some time, this transmutation of white guilt into a cult, a religion that borrows from and intersects with Christianity but substitutes its own liturgy.

The original sin in the White Guilt Cult, the New Church of Anti-Racism, is to be, “uh, Caucasian people.”

Anti-racism is the most critical element of a broader new Woke Orthodoxy whose other elements include environmental apocalypticism, feminism, and a severing of sexual identity from genetic indicators. Settling on a term for the new religion will take some time. Wesley Yang’s suggestion (seconded by Ross Douthat) of “the Successor Ideology” is clunky, anodyne, and a bit euphemistic given the righteous, roiling fervor and unnerving credulousness that define the cult.

Devotees immerse themselves in the sacred texts of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi (né Ibram Henry Rogers of Queens), books designed to make white wokesters writhe with a kind of ecstatic anguish. Indoctrination in early childhood is taken up as a parental duty (Kendi’s new board book for toddlers, Antiracist Baby, is a hot seller), parishioners engage in ritualistic incantation of sacred phrases (“Hands up, don’t shoot,” “I can’t breathe”), and there are mass displays of penitential self-abasement. All over the country, guilty white crowds have gathered to reenact the circumstances of George Floyd’s horrifying death.

The new clergy consists of black thought leaders (Coates, Kendi, Stacey Abrams) and those white people who loudly proclaim themselves allies and proselytize for the organizing dogma, which is that everything is racist. Those who question orthodoxy are kept at bay, derided as “conservatives” who are “arguing in bad faith” if not actual racists. “For example, one is not to ask ‘Why are black people so upset about one white cop killing a black man when black men are at much more danger of being killed by one another?’” wrote John McWhorter in his 2015 essay “Antiracism, Our Flawed New Religion.” “The answers are flabby but further questions are unwelcome,” McWhorter added. The much-promised “conversation on race” consists of repeating points in the catechism to enhance their power — phrases such as “I must do better,” “white privilege,” “systemic racism,” “white supremacy,” “allyship.”

“There is more dogmatism in this ideology than in most of contemporary American Catholicism,” writes the Catholic columnist Andrew Sullivan. “And more intolerance. Question any significant part of this, and your moral integrity as a human being is called into question.” As the fierceness of old religions fades, a corresponding desire for a new righteous fury rises. The fervor sweeping through the South (but not just the South) to pull down statues seen as blasphemous to the new faith loudly echoes the 16th-century rampage through the monasteries that burned icons and laid waste to stained glass.
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine ... t/#slide-1

Sivad you can do better.

[Godstud]

@Donna No. He really can't.

[Hindsite]

Sivad you can do better.

One can't do better than bringing up the truth.
That is the Christian way.
Praise the Lord.

[Sivad]

The Revolution Comforts the Comfortable

The class war in our country isn’t a matter of the poor vs. the rich; it’s a matter of business class vs. first class, E-Class vs. S-Class.


The scene in militia-occupied Seattle is entirely familiar, the same kind of theatrical filth that has been a part of American counterculture from Woodstock through Occupy Wall Street. These are the idiot children of the American ruling class, toy radicals and Champagne Bolsheviks playing Jacobin for a while until they go back to graduate school. The actual poor, oppressed masses of the world may sometimes live in squalor, but they do not generally live in squalor by choice. For Caitlyn from Georgetown, playing poor is the woke version of playing cowboys and Indians, but playing cowboys and Indians would make you a Very Bad Person, even if, like Senator Elizabeth Warren, you chose to be an Indian.

The squalor is a sideshow. More to the point, it is class camouflage.

There is no revolution in these United States by the poor and the excluded against the rich and the powerful. Instead, there is a civil war among certain members of the broad affluent class against the adjacent affluent cohorts. There is no hatred in this world quite like the hatred of a $100,000-a-year man for a $200,000-a-year man, except maybe the hatred of a $200,000-a-year man for a $200,002-a-year man.

The class war in our country is business class vs. first class; in automotive terms, it’s E-Class vs. S-Class. Everybody’s comfortable. And that produces some odd outcomes: Nobody’s going to do one goddamned thing about how they conduct business in Philadelphia or Chicago or any other corrupt, Democrat-dominated city, but there are going to be some “new representation and inclusion standards for Oscars eligibility,” and we are going to be treated to — joy of joys! — a deep national discussion on whether some Broadway stars don’t have it quite as good as other Broadway stars. The bloody-snouted hyenas have looked up from the kill just long enough to announce the creation of the Goldman Sachs Fund for Racial Equity.

Well-off white women from elite colleges run the diversity-and-sensitivity racket like the 17th-century Dutch ran the tulip racket, like the De Beers cartel used to run diamonds. Big Caitlyn is getting paid. Affluent white women are the main E-Class beneficiaries of the current headhunting project to clear a little room at the top, just as they have historically been the primary beneficiaries of affirmative-action programs, contracting set-asides, and other programs to help out the poor disenfranchised Georgetown alumni out there in the cold and dark.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/ ... mfortable/

[Godstud]

One can't do better than bringing up the truth.
That is the Christian way.

What would you know about being Christian?

[Donna]

militia-occupied Seattle

Well-off white women from elite colleges run the diversity-and-sensitivity racket like the 17th-century Dutch ran the tulip racket, like the De Beers cartel used to run diamonds. Big Caitlyn is getting paid. Affluent white women are the main E-Class beneficiaries of the current headhunting project to clear a little room at the top, just as they have historically been the primary beneficiaries of affirmative-action programs, contracting set-asides, and other programs to help out the poor disenfranchised Georgetown alumni out there in the cold and dark.

Yikes, huge incel vibe here

[Senter]

Some white people feel guilty about being white, yes it exists. Somehow that's racist?

It's a fabrication, and it's racist because it implies that whites don't really care about blacks; they just want a way to assuage their guilty feelings.

Blacks have a very legitimate gripe. They have been subjected to abuse, insult, and harsh treatment for 400 years.

[Julian658]

I'm sure that's true.

It's still a fact though. That doesn't mean white people shouldn't be allies. But they also don't have to do so while feeling guilty for their skin colour, but they should feel guilty if they've been racist towards POC. We should be targeting racists, not people with white skin, because that's racist.

The anti-racism religionist try to fix racism with racism and race ID politics. This causes division and MORE racism. Note how all the lefties in the forum have no arguments other than calling everything racist.

No one denies racism still exists, but it is WAY LESS than 50 years ago. However, the perception of racism has gone up due to social media and PTSD in many members of the black community.

[Julian658]

It's a fabrication, and it's racist because it implies that whites don't really care about blacks; they just want a way to assuage their guilty feelings.

Blacks have a very legitimate gripe. They have been subjected to abuse, insult, and harsh treatment for 400 years.

Do you know why some black people will allow whites to get on their knees before them and wash their feet? I see that as MAJOR condescending racism by whites with a Jesus of God like complex.

[Julian658]

Sivad you can do better.

Anti-racism has become a religion.
The plight of blacks is real and they have been oppressed, however, a new paradigm is needed. More of the same will not work.

[Donna]

Anti-racism has become a religion.
The plight of blacks is real and they have been oppressed, however, a new paradigm is needed. More of the same will not work.

That's a bit vague.

[Donna]

Do you know why some black people will allow whites to get on their knees before them and wash their feet? I see that as MAJOR condescending racism by whites with a Jesus of God like complex.

Or, it's a sign of reverence to Black Israel.

[Senter]

Do you know why some black people will allow whites to get on their knees before them and wash their feet? I see that as MAJOR condescending racism by whites with a Jesus of God like complex.

You could see it that way, certainly. But also realize that it's in the eye of the beholder. A racist will see it in racist terms and deny it's racist. A non-racist will see it as a "beloved" act that declares "I am no more than you; I am not above you".

[Julian658]

That's a bit vague.

It is rather simple Donna:
The biggest problem in black America are not old confederate statues, Christopher Columbus, George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson. The biggest problem of America is not Trump or the GOP. Sure, the mere existence of the icons or the Republican Party hurst some feelings. I understand the emotional response. Nevertheless, that does not solve the fundamental problems:

1. Police Brutality: That is a legit concern that hurts all, including white people.
2. Low graduation rate from high school
3.Crime
4. Drugs.
5. Teen pregnancy
6. Black leaders and the media preaching racism 24/7 causing PTSD in the new generation. When a person has PTSD they overreact to minor stimuli that triggers old past events. Or they may see racism where there is none.
7. Poor schools in some black neighborhoods. By the way this has been addressed many times before with very poor results. The DC public schools spend more money per student than anyone else in the nation and yet they only graduate 60%.
8. Race identity politics. It is uncanny that some blacks have failed to integrate into the overall national culture of America. Immigrants form Africa and the West Indies do it much better because they do not have PTSD.
9. Excessive murder rate.

[Julian658]

You could see it that way, certainly. But also realize that it's in the eye of the beholder. A racist will see it in racist terms and deny it's racist. A non-racist will see it as a "beloved" act that declares "I am no more than you; I am not above you".

It is not healthy to kneel before another human. It suggest that the person that allows this action needs major affirmation. The person that kneels is condescending. But perhaps they do feel they need to atone. Nevertheless this looks a lot like a religion and religions cause fanaticism and illogical thinking. Furthermore, this does not solve the problems among poor black Americans, see my post to Donna.