- 30 Nov 2020 17:40
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This is all fucking warm 'n' fuzzy and everything, but, according to capitalist *exchange values* (money), it's not like everyone just throws something into a potluck pot and out comes a banquet dish for everyone.
I'll leave some 'resources' here, and you can feel free if and how to respond, as you like.
[11] Labor & Capital, Wages & Dividends
[23] A Business Perspective on the Declining Rate of Profit
Wolvenbear wrote:
The inordinate focus on the laborers, as "without them, there would be no product to sell" ignores that this is true of EVERY step of the chain. Without the boss, there would be no product for the laborer to make, no building to make it in, no tools to make it with, no capital to purchase the necessary materials, and no wage for the production. After it was made, it would have no outlet to be sold, no marketing to tell the populous that it had been made, no transportation to get to market, and no mechanism to reap the profits to make more.
This is all fucking warm 'n' fuzzy and everything, but, according to capitalist *exchange values* (money), it's not like everyone just throws something into a potluck pot and out comes a banquet dish for everyone.
I'll leave some 'resources' here, and you can feel free if and how to respond, as you like.
[11] Labor & Capital, Wages & Dividends
Spoiler: show
[23] A Business Perspective on the Declining Rate of Profit
Spoiler: show
Socialism, Communism, or whatever one chooses to call it, by converting private property into public wealth, and substituting co-operation for competition, will restore society to its proper condition of a thoroughly healthy organism, and insure the material well-being of each member of the community. It will, in fact, give Life its proper basis and its proper environment. But for the full development of Life to its highest mode of perfection, something more is needed. What is needed is Individualism. If the Socialism is Authoritarian; if there are Governments armed with economic power as they are now with political power; if, in a word, we are to have Industrial Tyrannies, then the last state of man will be worse than the first. At present, in consequence of the existence of private property, a great many people are enabled to develop a certain very limited amount of Individualism. They are either under no necessity to work for their living, or are enabled to choose the sphere of activity that is really congenial to them, and gives them pleasure. These are the poets, the philosophers, the men of science, the men of culture – in a word, the real men, the men who have realised themselves, and in whom all Humanity gains a partial realisation. Upon the other hand, there are a great many people who, having no private property of their own, and being always on the brink of sheer starvation, are compelled to do the work of beasts of burden, to do work that is quite uncongenial to them, and to which they are forced by the peremptory, unreasonable, degrading Tyranny of want. These are the poor, and amongst them there is no grace of manner, or charm of speech, or civilisation, or culture, or refinement in pleasures, or joy of life. From their collective force Humanity gains much in material prosperity. But it is only the material result that it gains, and the man who is poor is in himself absolutely of no importance. He is merely the infinitesimal atom of a force that, so far from regarding him, crushes him: indeed, prefers him crushed, as in that case he is far more obedient.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... /soul-man/