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It seems people are finally reconsidering all the inconsistencies of Fauci's statements to the public in view of his emails, which have been released as a result of FOIA requests. Suddenly, the Wuhan Lab origin hypothesis is no longer verboten.

Would you like to download and read all 3200 pages of Fauci's emails? You can do that here: Anthony Fauci emails

Emails show Fauci made urgent inquiry about gain-of-function research as pandemic began
The emails obtained by Buzzfeed include one dated Feb. 1, 2020 in which Fauci appears to make an urgent request to his top deputy Hugh Auchincloss, the principal deputy director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases that Fauci has led for decades.

"It is essential that we speak this AM," Fauci wrote. "Keep your cell phone on. ... Read this paper as well as the e-mail that I will forward to you now."

"You will have tasks today that must be done," Fauci added.

Fauci's email came several hours after he received a message from Kristian Andersen, an immunology professor at Scripps Research Institute, in which Andersen relayed assessments from both himself and several of his colleagues that the SARS-Cov-2 virus looked "potentially" engineered.

Andersen and several of his colleagues “all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory,” Andersen wrote to Fauci, while acknowledging that there was “still further analyses to be done” on the matter before a determination could be made. (Several weeks later, Andersen and several researchers would claim in a research paper that SARS-Cov-2 is "not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus").

Could they have been pressured to cover up gain-of-function research? What were the tasks that must be done, I wonder? It seems that they were investigating just that:

In an email from later on Feb. 1, 2020, Auchincloss alluded to the content of the paper Fauci sent him, implying that the paper addressed "gain-of-function" experiments in some form.

"The paper you sent me says the experiments were performed before the gain of function pause but have since been reviewed and approved by NIH," he wrote.

"Not sure what that means since Emily is sure that no Coronavirus work has gone through the P3 framework," he adds. "She will try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad."

Neither Fauci nor Auchincloss responded to queries from Just the News seeking more clarity on the email exchange, including what paper Fauci shared with Auchincloss and what followup "tasks" were expected as the pandemic gained momentum.

It's getting very interesting. Nobody is going to want to admit to killing 3.5M people accidently. However, if NIH gave funding to the EcoHealth Alliance, which in turn provided funding for gain-of-function research, we may have a smoking gun.

Yet the emails provide some of the most striking evidence yet that, very early in the pandemic, Fauci himself may have been concerned about the possibility that gain-of-function research was involved.

It certainly underscores his bizarre contradictions.

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This is just the beginning...
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The original e-mail sent to Fauci above in 2020 sounds less convincing than how the Daily Mail reported like a smokin gun. Kristian G. Andersen also co-authored a Nature paper (Andersen et al. 2020) which discredited his own conspiracy theory. Fauci did the right thing if he ignored this e-mail from Andersen, who is extremely happy with the Daily Mail article.



Theories of SARS-CoV-2 origins
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used19. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone20. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
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late wrote:Follows by dozens of promises that more is coming.

Biden's administration is letting Fauci swing in the breeze.

White House balks on addressing Fauci emails
You're such a Fauci Fanboy. Does this disturb you? Peter Daszak appears to be knee deep in this too.

late wrote:It never shows up, but then that's enough when all you're doing is sleaze.

And 3.5M people potentially dying because of a "lab accident" the research of which you support is what? Virtue? This isn't over yet, and we got half-a-Hitler death toll of innocents.

Will Steven Pinker lose the bet of the century?
As Ross Douthat points out, the bet will only be resolved when it is possible to answer this question: Was Covid-19 an escapee from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, or did it jump from a bat cave to its first human patient? Wet markets or lab-leak?


How Dr. Peter Daszak orchestrated a covert 'bullying' campaign and coerced top scientists into signing off on a letter to a respected medical journal aimed at removing blame for Covid-19 from the Wuhan lab he was funding with U.S. money
The doctor who warned the world repeatedly that a pandemic was coming orchestrated a behind-the-scenes ‘bullying’ campaign to ensure blame for Covid-19 was directed well away from a Chinese lab with which he had worked closely.

Dr. Peter Daszak persuaded more than two dozen other scientists to sign off on a letter he had written to a highly respected medical journal that was seen as so influential it cowed most experts into refusing even to consider that the virus could have been man-made and escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And it is only now, nearly 16 months after that letter was published in the British journal The Lancet, that that theory is being looked at seriously.

It looks like scientists are capable of very anti-social behavior too.

‘The Lancet letter was scientific propaganda and a form of thuggery and intimidation,’ former high-level Clinton administration staffer Jamie Metzl - who now sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing - told DailyMail.com.

Hmmm. Former Clinton administration officials chiming in too.

Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control told Vanity Fair he received death threats after floating the theory that the virus could have been man-made. ‘I was threatened and ostracized because I proposed another hypothesis,’ he said. ‘I expected it from politicians. I didn’t expect it from science.’

Daszak is one of the world’s leading experts on disease ecology. He warned repeatedly that a pandemic was coming. He said it on CBS’s 60 Minutes in 2003. He reiterated it at a World Health Organization meeting in 2018. And he said it once more in a New York Times op-ed as the tentacles of Covid-19 were first spreading around the world in February last year.

And he funded gain-of-function research into coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, if I understand the reports correctly.

Under his leadership, the government has made millions of dollars in grants to EcoHealth, some of which he passed on legally to the Wuhan Institute of Virology so they could work together on the study of coronaviruses.

Despite his close connections to the lab, Daszak was picked by the World Health organization to be part of its 13-member team that was tasked with finding the cause of the pandemic which began in Wuhan, a city of some 11 million people in Central China.

Uh.... conflict of interest?

Others agree. Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and bio-security expert at Rutgers University, said Daszak’s conflicts ‘unequivocally disqualify him from being part of an investigation of the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic.’

Ebright, a frequent critic of Daszak, described the WHO mission as a charade. ‘Its members were willing — and in at least one case enthusiastic — participants in disinformation,’ he said.

‘The pre-negotiated terms of reference for the WHO study did not even acknowledge the possibility of a laboratory origin of the virus.’

Metzl — who believes that the pandemic is likely to have started in a lab although he still has an open mind — said part of the problem was that the World Health Assembly, which authorized the WHO team, limited the investigation to its natural ‘zoonotic’ origin.

People have to learn all over again that scientist != good person. We only need to remember Eduard Wirtz, Joseph Mengele, Aribert Heim, Carl Clauberg, Hermann Stieve, Sigmund Rascher, Hubertus Strughold, Heinrich Himmler, Bruno Weber, Karl Brandt, Rudolft Brandt, Viktor Brack, Wolfram Sievers, Fritz Fischer and others. It's a dangerous thing to put academics on a pedestal and assume they won't do horrible things, or seek to conceal complicity in having done horrible things.
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As far as outright lying, it's an argument. However he did intend (and succeeded in doing so) to deceive and manipulate the public. He had early evidence that this was materially altered at the facility in Wuhan, but did all he could to quell that factoid.

Why? Trump said it.

He also told a citizen who questioned the need for masks in an airport that the location was a "low-risk" locale, and that travel was not a red-level danger. It was said to offset a travel ban to China, which was being questioned for how they mitigated the damage already caused by Covid.

Why? Trump said it.

Then he was telling people that masks for meant for "people who are symptomatic, not asymptomatic", but had to do a quick 180 when pressed by his liberal handlers because that opinion was shared by a certain other person.

Why? Trump said it.

This virus got politicized for two reasons and two reasons only: 1) so Democrats could instill fear into the ignorant populace, and turn that fear into control, and 2) to discredit everything Trump said about the virus, which caused Fauci and Democrats to adopt Covid stances that were both a) not science-based, and b) ran counter to common sense and simple intuition.

If you notice, all this is coming to light now when Trump is out of sight, out of mind as to suppress the credit he could get for being correct about a large portion of this virus.

And the unwashed masses ate it up. There are cults out there that are trying to get hold of the Democrat playbooks, because they're amateurs by comparison.
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Goranhammer wrote:This virus got politicized for two reasons and two reasons only: 1) so Democrats could instill fear into the ignorant populace, and turn that fear into control, and 2) to discredit everything Trump said about the virus, which caused Fauci and Democrats to adopt Covid stances that were both a) not science-based, and b) ran counter to common sense and simple intuition.

If you notice, all this is coming to light now when Trump is out of sight, out of mind as to suppress the credit he could get for being correct about a large portion of this virus.

There are reports now that Fauci had data that hydroxychloroquine was very effective when used early, while having no beneficial effect in late, distressed cases requiring intubation. However, Fauci apparently claimed that hydroxychloroquine was dangerous when used as a prophylactic without any evidence. In fact, a lot of medical professionals were using hydroxychloroquine prophylactically. Media outlets and social media censored doctors who claimed success using hydroxychloroquine--in effect, helping to deny medical treatment and increase the number of deaths.

The irony is that Fauci was a proponent of using hydroxychloroquine during the MERS epidemic in 2013, because he knew it worked. If Fauci, the CDC and the WHO suppressed effective remedies, they are complicit in one of the greatest mass murders in history. FoxNews reports that Dr. Harvey Risch, an epidemiology professor at Yale, claims that hundreds of thousands of Americans could have been saved.
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blackjack21 wrote:There are reports now that Fauci had data that hydroxychloroquine was very effective when used early, while having no beneficial effect in late, distressed cases requiring intubation. However, Fauci apparently claimed that hydroxychloroquine was dangerous when used as a prophylactic without any evidence. In fact, a lot of medical professionals were using hydroxychloroquine prophylactically. Media outlets and social media censored doctors who claimed success using hydroxychloroquine--in effect, helping to deny medical treatment and increase the number of deaths.

The irony is that Fauci was a proponent of using hydroxychloroquine during the MERS epidemic in 2013, because he knew it worked. If Fauci, the CDC and the WHO suppressed effective remedies, they are complicit in one of the greatest mass murders in history. FoxNews reports that Dr. Harvey Risch, an epidemiology professor at Yale, claims that hundreds of thousands of Americans could have been saved.


I knew they were full of shit about this because HCQ has been used to treat rheumatoid arthritis for a long time, and the side effects of the drug were minimal to nonexistent. They fought militantly against this being used, knowing that it had reports of working early on and with pretty much no risk.

And I hate to belabor the point, but the fact that Trump championed this treatment, I suspect, is the biggest reason why they tried their damnedest to shelf it as long as humanly possible.
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Goranhammer wrote:I knew they were full of shit about this because HCQ has been used to treat rheumatoid arthritis for a long time, and the side effects of the drug were minimal to nonexistent. They fought militantly against this being used, knowing that it had reports of working early on and with pretty much no risk.

And I hate to belabor the point, but the fact that Trump championed this treatment, I suspect, is the biggest reason why they tried their damnedest to shelf it as long as humanly possible.

Yeah. There is a weird hivemind thing to this. The media works much like the State Department does. They have "programs." That's why it is so obvious that they are pushing a narrative. However, the darker side is that they may have wanted a high body count as they blamed it on Trump. What we're learning about Fauci, these NGOs, and the Wuhan lab, it's quite possible that this was intentional.

It's amazing to me that 3.5M people have been killed, and the people who like to support the Washington political establishment are noticeably silent on this issue, while they wax passionately about issues like whether Trump should have been banned from Facebook (ironically using exactly the arguments segregationists used, probably thinking that would somehow appeal to Republicans as the pro-establishmentarian types don't seem to know that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was written by Republicans).

Trump went on to gain 12M votes in spite of everything they threw at him. I wonder if these people think it was worth it killing more than half as many innocents as Hitler did to get rid of Trump, because they thought he would become Hitler--only to be the only president in the last 30 years to not use the military to topple the leader of a foreign country. The Washington political establishment absolutely disgusts me. They're such awful people.
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