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#15188955
ckaihatsu wrote:And with Pakistan straddling both sides, it's now completely Orwellian....

Well, if the Taliban is another CIA project, than perhaps it will soon expand into Pakistan, Iran, and maybe a few other oil-rich Asian republics with a history of Islam.

It was only a matter of time before Goldman-Sachs and Exxon sponsored a movie created by Fox Pictures and Lougheed-Martin about another ragtag group of Puritans looking for "somewhere to practice our peaceful religious traditions while armed to the teeth."

There are a lot of girls looking to go to schoolTM near all of the oilfields on every continent.
#15188961
QatzelOk wrote:
Well, if the Taliban is another CIA project, than perhaps it will soon expand into Pakistan, Iran, and maybe a few other oil-rich Asian republics with a history of Islam.



Yeah, I guess we'll see, but you also gotta remember that whole Sunni-Shia schism, with geopolitical implications. Hence the 'New Cold War' aspect / tensions, alongside the more-sinister-chummy 'Orwellian' part.


QatzelOk wrote:
It was only a matter of time before Goldman-Sachs and Exxon sponsored a movie created by Fox Pictures and Lougheed-Martin about another ragtag group of Puritans looking for "somewhere to practice our peaceful religious traditions while armed to the teeth."



Yeah, the Taliban.


QatzelOk wrote:
There are a lot of girls looking to go to schoolTM near all of the oilfields on every continent.



I hear ya. Not pretty.
#15189626

The Taliban government currently does not have access to the Afghanistan central bank’s $9 billion in reserves, most of which is held by the New York Federal Reserve. These reserves were blocked amid last month’s political turmoil in Afghanistan.



https://apnews.com/article/middle-east- ... d24c77f99d




And while the Taliban has vowed not to allow transnational militant groups to use Afghanistan to attack other nations, the group's return to power has yet to receive any international recognition.



https://www.newsweek.com/what-china-ira ... nt-1627240




UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. special envoy for Afghanistan is urging the world to unite to prevent the economic collapse of the country, to address fears the Taliban’s Islamic state may spread to its neighbors and to fight terrorism.

Deborah Lyons warns that the Taliban have “visibly welcomed and sheltered” al-Qaida members and that Islamic State extremists remain active “and could gain strength.”

She told the U.N. Security Council on Thursday that it will have to decide what steps to take regarding many of the 33 members of the Taliban government who are on the U.N. sanctions blacklist, including the prime minister, the two deputy prime ministers and foreign minister.

Lyons says the humanitarian crisis is worsening and there is “a looming crisis” caused by donors freezing billions of dollars in Afghan assets. She says the fund freezes can cause “a severe economic downturn that could throw many more millions into poverty and hunger” and may spark a refugee exodus and set the country back for generations.

She says ways must be found to provide humanitarian relief “on a huge scale” and quickly allow money to flow to Afghanistan to “prevent a total breakdown of the economy and social order” while creating safeguards to ensure the money is not misused by the Taliban authorities.



https://apnews.com/article/middle-east- ... d24c77f99d
#15189709
Igor Antunov wrote:
No they're not. Western wokism needs to end. It is brainwashing and misleading an entire generation. So much for realism.



Would you rather see the Taliban ruling the country, then? Do you prefer religious-clerical laws?
#15189724
Igor Antunov wrote:
Whats the difference between one cult and the other?



This:



Accounts from the time detail forces patrolling the streets, shutting down shops and markets at prayer time. They beat people caught listening to music and frowned upon dancing, kite-flying and American-style haircuts.

Squads of the ministry’s morality police punished those who disobeyed modesty codes, with beards too thin or ankles that showed. They banished girls from school and women from the workplace and the public eye. A woman could not venture outside without a male guardian.



The Taliban is bringing back its feared ministry of 'vice' and 'virtue'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... -ministry/



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#15189796
ckaihatsu wrote:Would you rather see the Taliban ruling the country, then? Do you prefer religious-clerical laws?

Wow, thanks!

I like that you want to know "what kind of government of Afghanistan" we prefer.

It's nice to know that in a world of quickly-closing freedoms, we are still free to chose the government in Afghanistan.

If we choose the next one, I wonder if Rachel Maddow will berate us for "interfering in the politics of Afghanistan."

Will she start pointing fingers at the new "USA-chosen" leader, and talk about the scandal known as "USA-gate" and how horrible it is that foreigners kept interfering with the politics of a sovereign country?

Or will she continue to trash everyone in America who doesn't help "her friends" to get richer with no sense of shame or professionalism?
#15189815
ckaihatsu wrote:No, that's certainly not what it's about exactly -- I'd more readily compare the situation to that of *Myanmar*, loosely.

To paraphrase you loosely:

We must save the beautiful and fragile women, and their innocent babie!! The wrong government of that country on the other side of the earth might not have enough recycling options, or electric car changing stations!

We must send in the drones!


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QatzelOk wrote:
To paraphrase you loosely:

We must save the beautiful and fragile women, and their innocent babie!! The wrong government of that country on the other side of the earth might not have enough recycling options, or electric car changing stations!

We must send in the drones!


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*Or*, populist political sentiment, like mine, would *not* favor religious-clerical backward feudalism-like elitist Taliban rule.

Please recall that I included the following in a previous post:


Afghan Women Are Fighting Taliban Rule Despite Violent Suppression




I'm *not* saying 'send the troops back in', but now tell me what you like about the following:



The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan[b][7] is an unrecognized Islamic emirate that was first established in September 1996 by the Taliban, a Deobandi Islamist organization that began its governance of Afghanistan after the 1996 fall of Kabul. In 2001, it was toppled by a United States-led military coalition that invaded the country after the September 11 attacks, sparking the 20-year war in Afghanistan. The Taliban returned to power after the departure of most NATO forces and the August 2021 fall of Kabul, and has since had de facto control over most of the country.[8]

The 1996–2001 Taliban government was recognized only by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.[9] It was a theocracy ruled by a Deobandi interpretation of Islamic religious law (Sharia) in accordance with the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence and the religious edicts of the group's founding leader, Mohammed Omar. It opposed liberal democracy, secularism, and the Western world, particularly the United States and Israel.[10][11][12] Several cultural and recreational activities were banned as haram. Women and girls were forbidden to attend schools and universities and largely banned from working; they were also required to observe the practice of purdah and to be accompanied by mahram male relatives outside of their households. Whippings or execution were punishments for infractions. The five Islamic daily prayers (salah) were enforced for all Muslims. Christians, Shia Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus and other non-Sunni Muslim minorities faced widespread religious discrimination and cultural genocide and other persecution. The Taliban also destroyed numerous monuments and historical artifacts, such as the 1,500-year-old Buddhas of Bamiyan.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_E ... fghanistan
#15189922
ckaihatsu wrote:*Or*, populist political sentiment, like mine, would *not* favor religious-clerical backward feudalism-like elitist Taliban rule.

Yours is not an Afghan, so why does your taste in governance matter?


I'm *not* saying 'send the troops back in', but now tell me what you like about the following:

Wait, I'm supposed to "like" the government of Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is like some Instagram troll who lives for "like"s?

Please adjust your foreign policy opinions to non-Facebook narratives. Thanks in advance.
#15189926
QatzelOk wrote:
Yours is not an Afghan, so why does your taste in governance matter?



Please note the *next* part:


QatzelOk wrote:
Wait, I'm supposed to "like" the government of Afghanistan?



See? That's exactly it. *I'm* not going to 'like' the government of Afghanistan, and for reason.


QatzelOk wrote:
Afghanistan is like some Instagram troll who lives for "like"s?

Please adjust your foreign policy opinions to non-Facebook narratives. Thanks in advance.
#15190400
The events in brief starting in 1978:

1. Afghanistan elects a socialist government that invests in education and health care for women. This government is pro-USSR and very urban-centric.

2. Jimmy Carter decides to fund Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan in order to bring down the government by using religious warfare and Western-funded terror.

3. The Soviets invade to protect the elected government of Afghanistan. They lose, and this is partially responsible for the bankruptcy of the USSR.

4. The Jimmy-Carter-funded terrorists become the government of Afghanistan and call themselves "The Taliban."

5. The Anglo-Zionist empire blows up some towers in NYC and blames it on the Taliban.

6. Twenty years of lies, wars, trillions of dollars, drones falling on wedding parties, death, corruption, theft

7. NATO leaves, the Anglo-Zionist empire begins to collapse, a pandemic forces Westerners to get some kind of new injection (to be continued...)

Outlook India wrote:Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
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