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"In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden...

8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.

Every news outlet from FOX to CNN to The New York Times to local newspapers has a story with attention-grabbing headlines like “US cities hit all-time murder records.” Fox News and Republicans have jumped on this and framed it as a “Democrat” problem."
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red ... er-problem

OK has a murder rate that is much, much worse than NY. In fact, if it got 0.4% worse, it would be TWICE the murder rate of NY.

Fox is lying it's ass off 24/7 about crime. The reality is it's bad everywhere.

Not that Republicans have a policy proposal.. Nor would they do anything if they had the chance. They would 'get tough on crime'; but that wouldn't work. Community building does work, and that starts with improving public services (which includes police). Dems are already doing that, but it's not nearly enough.
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late wrote:
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"In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden...

8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.

Every news outlet from FOX to CNN to The New York Times to local newspapers has a story with attention-grabbing headlines like “US cities hit all-time murder records.” Fox News and Republicans have jumped on this and framed it as a “Democrat” problem."
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red ... er-problem

OK has a murder rate that is much, much worse than NY. In fact, if it got 0.4% worse, it would be TWICE the murder rate of NY.

Fox is lying it's ass off 24/7 about crime. The reality is it's bad everywhere.

Not that Republicans have a policy proposal.. Nor would they do anything if they had the chance. They would 'get tough on crime'; but that wouldn't work. Community building does work, and that starts with improving public services (which includes police). Dems are already doing that, but it's not nearly enough.


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Oklahoma



[RANK NUMBER BY STATE GDP] 30 Oklahoma * 242,303 188,056.6 Increase 54,247.9 Increase 9.9% Increase 2.2% $60,788 $47,465 0.90% 0.91%



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ies_by_GDP



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late wrote:
starts with improving public services (which includes police).



Bullshit, late. This is cross-class bullshit, and you can't loft Marx around if you're then going to opt *out* of correlating approaches / politics / policy.

You just *noted* that you're for 'grassroots' kinds of organizing ('community building'), yet you have no qualms about the status-quo *continuing*, regarding policing.



Chicago: Packed house welcomes 1st Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability meeting

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by Kobi Guillory

Chicago, IL - The first meeting of the Interim Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability (CCPSA) took place on the evening of Thursday September 29 at Malcolm X College. The meeting was attended by almost 200 people, most of who were members or supporters of the Empowering Communities for Public Safety (ECPS) coalition. The CCPSA introduced itself to the community, set up committees to do its work, and elected Anthony Driver and Oswaldo Gomez as its president and vice president. The public comments were filled with support for the CCPSA and demands that the mayor and city council give the Interim Commission the staff and budget necessary to transform the city’s public safety system.

“This commission has a lot of work ahead of it,” said newly elected CCPSA president Anthony Driver, “and we plan to be accountable to the community in all that we do.” According to the ECPS legislation passed on July 21, 2021, the Interim CCPSA should have been appointed in January of 2022 and active in February. Due to obstruction of the movement for police accountability by Mayor Lori Lightfoot and some alderpersons, the commission was appointed at the end of August. It now has to review the proposed 2023 Chicago Police Department budget of $1.9 billion, investigate CPD policies, enact alternatives to policing, and increase outreach for the district council elections in February 2023.

“Chicago residents expect and know that you will be agents of change,” said Jackie Baldwin, a member of the Jewish Council on Urban Affairs and member of the ECPS Coalition, during the public comments section of the meeting. Other speakers raised the same expectations of the CCPSA and promised to be involved as community members in ensuring that the police are truly held accountable.

“You can’t have change without the community being involved,” said Coston Plummer, SEIU Local 73 member, brother of incarcerated survivor of police torture Johnnie Plummer, and 2nd District Council candidate. “It’s about time the community has a voice. This is the first time in a long time we’re gonna have some change so everybody should get on board.”

“We know there are serious forces opposed to your work who want to maintain the status quo,” said Michael Harrington, member of Network49 and the ECPS Coalition. Harrington and other speakers demanded that the city provide the funds and staff necessary for adequate outreach regarding the district council elections.

“As someone who’s been hitting the pavements in Back of the Yards, Pilsen and Lawndale, not a lot of people in my neighborhood know about ECPS,” said Rosemarie Dominguez, a 10th District Council candidate. Dominguez challenged the CCPSA to reach out to all of Chicago’s communities, particularly by translating its literature into Spanish and by doing direct outreach. Commission President Driver responded with a commitment to provide Spanish translations of all printed materials from the commission going forward.

Other district council candidates spoke in the public comments, including Josh D’Antonio and Cassandra Guice, who both expressed ways that the CCPSA could enact restorative conflict resolution policies.

“We crossed rivers of blood to get this ordinance passed,” said Frank Chapman, executive director of the National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression and field organizer of the Chicago chapter. “We didn’t do all this work to have a lame duck commission, so we are demanding the mayor and city council to get off their rusty dusties and give the commission the staff and the budget it needs to do its work.

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ckaihatsu wrote:

you can't loft Marx around

if you're then going to opt *out* of correlating approaches / politics / policy.

You just *noted* that you're for 'grassroots' kinds of organizing ('community building'), yet you have no qualms about the status-quo *continuing*, regarding policing.



I will never "loft Marx", I don't even know what that means, assuming it means anything.

I try to go with what actually works.

Inner city neighborhoods need everything, especially police. However, policing does need reform.
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I will never "loft Marx", I don't even know what that means, assuming it means anything.

I try to go with what actually works.

Inner city neighborhoods need everything, especially police. However, policing does need reform.



You're *pro*-community-policing, then, late?

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