[late]

Looks like you've found a germ to eradicate.

Educate, or at least that's the idea. I don't really expect you to lose that Gibraltor sized chip on your shoulder, but hope springs eternal.

Btw, when I was a kid, jokes that referred to men as germs were popular.

"Ladies and Germs"

[Beren]

You mean he played a dangerous game by NOT invading Ukraine in 2014 and kicking out the Americans and their terrorists?

He rather played it safe then and had been trying to methodically undermine the Ukrainian government with the help of his proxies in the Donbas all along instead, and when he believed it to be weak enough, he attacked.

[Robert Urbanek]

Apparently, this thread was at least partly inspired by my geopolitical analysis of the Tonya Harding conspiracy:

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=178921&hilit=Tonya+Harding

[QatzelOk]

He rather played it safe then and had been trying to methodically undermine the Ukrainian government with the help of his proxies in the Donbas all along instead, and when he believed it to be weak enough, he attacked.

In order to classify Vladimir Putin as "a germ" and to consider this invented "germ-ness" a reason to start a war with Russia, is because we have ignored the coup d'état that the CIA provoked in 2014, and we must ignore all the wars that NATO has deployed in the last 20 years, disrespecting the sovereignty of anyone. It doesn't even respect the sovereignty (or economic health) of its allies (like Germany - blowing up its pipeline).



What you have demonstrated is, that:

to label the other *a germ*, one must pretend to be as clean as soap oneself.

In other words, germ-theory is based on a fake and constructed sense of superiority. White-as-white supremacy. As opposed to the "dirty laundry" that is *the other.*

It's fake, constructed, and thus, suicidal to practice this. And it makes you look dumb.

CONTAINMENT is about hobbling people that you have no respect for. The two are related because if you consider the other a germ, you won't respect him, and you might try to hobble him in order for your super-white-clean-soap greatness to triumph over evil germs.

[late]

In order to classify Vladimir Putin as "a germ" and to consider this invented "germ-ness" a reason to start a war with Russia, is because we have ignored the coup d'état that the CIA provoked in 2014, and we must ignore all the wars that NATO has deployed in the last 20 years, disrespecting the sovereignty of anyone. It doesn't even respect the sovereignty (or economic health) of its allies (like Germany - blowing up its pipeline).

Putin has spent years working to create puppet states, or cripple them. He was able to get a puppet elected, but the people of Ukraine wouldn't stand for it.

If you were more familiar with what's going on, you would know Putin had done that several times before. It's old news.

You would also know he's started a number of conflicts. This was 5th or 6th, started with Chechnya to get their oil. I shouldn't have to mention Crimea, except that I clearly do have to mention it. Are you going to parrot dumbass lies about that, as well?

[Steve_American]

In order to classify Vladimir Putin as "a germ" and to consider this invented "germ-ness" a reason to start a war with Russia, is because we have ignored the coup d'état that the CIA provoked in 2014, and we must ignore all the wars that NATO has deployed in the last 20 years, disrespecting the sovereignty of anyone. It doesn't even respect the sovereignty (or economic health) of its allies (like Germany - blowing up its pipeline).



What you have demonstrated is, that:

to label the other *a germ*, one must pretend to be as clean as soap oneself.

In other words, germ-theory is based on a fake and constructed sense of superiority. White-as-white supremacy. As opposed to the "dirty laundry" that is *the other.*

It's fake, constructed, and thus, suicidal to practice this. And it makes you look dumb.

CONTAINMENT is about hobbling people that you have no respect for. The two are related because if you consider the other a germ, you won't respect him, and you might try to hobble him in order for your super-white-clean-soap greatness to triumph over evil germs.

Quazel0k, 2 facts that throw water on you assertions are =>
1] When Putin called up 300K men for the army, a few 100k young men fled the country.
2] When Ukraine called for volunteers, it seems like almost every young and middle aged man signed up.

I seems like the men of Ukraine have voted with their bodies to oppose the invasion, while the men of Russia voted with their feet to not support their country.

To me this means that the men of Ukraine approved of the alleged CIA plot to cause a coup in 2014. I don't know that the CIA did a coup. If it did, it isn't surprising given the CIA's history of coups.
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[QatzelOk]

Putin...He was able to get a puppet elected, but the people of Ukraine wouldn't stand for it.

Here is a video of "the people of Ukraine" opposing their elected president in 2014:

When Nuland (an American Straussian neo-con, not a Ukrainian voter) is talking about **who should form the post-coup d'etat government of Ukraine** with other American officials... she is just saying **what Ukraine wants**, correct?

Because the people who do the hobbling (containment)... should always have **the microphone.**

That microphone (ie. a monopoly on propaganda) is a huge part of hobbling other nations (and other people), because to buy permission to commit atrocities, you need to buy support from the people whose lives you want to risk in the process.

Sure, you might go bankrupt and your country might be destroyed, but your mafia need a distraction as the authorities seem to be closing in on them. So look at these media products and ... obey them!

...When Ukraine called for volunteers, it seems like almost every young and middle aged man signed up..

Between one fourth and one third of the Ukrainian population have fled the country as refugees. This is the result of the USA's coup d'etat of 2014, an act of containment that might end up being self-containment for NATO.

But your fealty to NATO propaganda is noted. I can see why Westerners *believe* their propaganda so hard. It's because to not believe it... would mean confronting your role as the **mercenary hobblers of nations** - which is like being a henchman or drone.

At least 12 million people have fled their homes since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the United Nations (UN) says.

[late]

Nuland

We've seen this in a lot of countries. Putin will undermine or kill anyone that opposes him, like right now.

If you paid attention, you would know that...

But what you care is keeping a good supply of feces to throw, whether or not it's true is not important. Yes, Nuland wound up there playing hardball because Putin had badly messed up the country.

Give it a rest.

[QatzelOk]

We've seen this in a lot of countries. Putin will undermine or kill anyone that opposes him, like right now.

If you paid attention, you would know that...

But what you care is keeping a good supply of feces to throw, whether or not it's true is not important. Yes, Nuland wound up there playing hardball because Putin had badly messed up the country.

Give it a rest.

For the people doing the hobbling of other nations, it's important to blot out any information that might suggest that THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING ATTEMPTED.

So you want to flush recent history down the toilette and just concentrate all your hate towards your enemy-du-jour. This type of social norm (hating the other, ignoring history) will also cause extreme damage to your own nation.

Hobbling other nations can lead to the hobbling of your own nation as well. The containers end up containing themselves.

[late]

it's important to blot out any information...

Education isn't eradication.

In country after country, Putin has corrupted, assassinated, killed, invaded, bribed trying to dominate or conquer.

Your childish oversimplification was manufactured in Moscow, and all it tells us is that you don't understand what's been going on.

[Steve_American]

Here is a video of "the people of Ukraine" opposing their elected president in 2014:

https://www.you[==]tube.com/watch?v=L2XNN0Yt6D8&ab_channel=OnDemandNews

When Nuland (an American Straussian neo-con, not a Ukrainian voter) is talking about **who should form the post-coup d'etat government of Ukraine** with other American officials... she is just saying **what Ukraine wants**, correct?

Because the people who do the hobbling (containment)... should always have **the microphone.**

That microphone (ie. a monopoly on propaganda) is a huge part of hobbling other nations (and other people), because to buy permission to commit atrocities, you need to buy support from the people whose lives you want to risk in the process.

Sure, you might go bankrupt and your country might be destroyed, but your mafia need a distraction as the authorities seem to be closing in on them. So look at these media products and ... obey them!



Between one fourth and one third of the Ukrainian population have fled the country as refugees. This is the result of the USA's coup d'etat of 2014, an act of containment that might end up being self-containment for NATO.

But your fealty to NATO propaganda is noted. I can see why Westerners *believe* their propaganda so hard. It's because to not believe it... would mean confronting your role as the **mercenary hobblers of nations** - which is like being a henchman or drone.

Yes, but all of them were women and children. The men were turned back at the border.

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[QatzelOk]

In country after country, Putin has corrupted, assassinated, killed, invaded, bribed trying to dominate or conquer.

This "Putin" character that you describe sounds like one of the bad guys that James Bond is always getting instructed to kill.
Do you also have a "007" license?

Does commercial media have this license?

Your childish oversimplification was manufactured in ***

Does commercial media have a license to push containment as a form of non-diplomacy?

[QatzelOk]

...we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3 of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships, which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security.

In other words, in order to say richer than other nations, we need to use violence - hobbling other nations so that they can't develop and then need resources which must all be ours forever.

"Containment" was an Orwellian euphemism. That was Kennan's brilliant contribution.

[late]

This "Putin" character that you describe sounds like one of the bad guys that James Bond is always getting instructed to kill.
Do you also have a "007" license?

Does commercial media have this license?



Does commercial media have a license to push containment as a form of non-diplomacy?

One of his early moves was to try and use bombs to kill Russians, and then blame it on Chechens, and use that as a pretext to go to war, and steal their oil...

So sure, he sounds exactly like a Bond baddie.

Not why I responded. I don't own a gun.

Oh, and your comments are an implicit admission that you've lost the argument...

[late]

"Containment" was an Orwellian euphemism.

Nope.

[QatzelOk]

One of his early moves was to try and use bombs to kill Russians, and then blame it on Chechens, and use that as a pretext to go to war, and steal their oil...

So sure, he sounds exactly like a Bond baddie.

And have you spent more time in your life "watching James Bond movies" OR "interacting with Russians in real life situations?"

I'm asking this in order to see if Hollywood or real life have had more of an effect on your "feelings" towards this Russian "bad guy" character that gives war profiteers permission to spend the last remaining dollars in the West's reserves. Western propaganda regarding "the rest of the world" is full of lies, ommissions and general stupidity, so quoting Western media memes regarding "foreign varmints" is not convincing at all.

... your comments are an implicit admission that you've lost the argument...

In much the same way that Putin's every breathe is an admission that Russia is losing the war, right? If you crop the image in the right way, you can tall any fabricated story you want. But it's all lies, and the money-pit that is military spending... is the proof.

The first thing to get *contained* in any military confrontation is the truth.

[late]

I'm asking this

You're asking because you don't know what you're talking about.

Putin tried to kill Russians, but the regular cops caught his henchmen. There is a ton of other examples, but he did that not long after he got power. And he did it to steal oil.

[QatzelOk]

Putin tried to kill Russians, but the regular cops caught his henchmen.

Did he have WMDs ready to use on London at the time?

Were his drug-addled troops ripping babies out of incubators?

Did he threaten to blow up the world if taxpayers didn't give him billions of dollars (oh wait, that was every American president shilling for the Arms Industry and banksters...).


"Let's make the stupid public *scared and suspicious of foreigners* by making movies with hate-speech characteristics that target the nations we need to contain...."

[late]

Babbling...

https://www.amazon.com/Moscow-Bombings-September-1999-Examinations/dp/3838203887/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1TJFP29WSUUPW&keywords=The+Moscow+Bombings+of+September+1999&qid=1675955409&sprefix=the+moscow+bombings+of+september+1999%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

[QatzelOk]

One of the tactics that is so important in HOBBLING other nations and peoples... is to make them sound really evil and scary.

The First Nations were depicted this way in the texts of the Founders of the USA and Canada, and look what happened to them. Genocided. Why? Because we said they were evil, and then stole all their land and resources, and destroyed their cultures and herded them into concentration camps.

This smearing of targeted others... also provides a convenient mask behind which to hide the world-ending atrocities of the Empire.

Q1: Why did Russia initiate a military campaign in Ukraine in 2022?

A1: To expand Russia in an unprovoked war!
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Q2: Why was Vicky Nuland in Ukraine in 2014?

A2: Um... let's talk about how evil Russia is... Why are you such an imperialist? Why are you so fake-left? What do you think of China's balloon?
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Q3: How many countries has NATO destroyed in the last 25 years?

A3: Um... let's talk about how evil Russia is... Why are you such an imperialist? Why are you so fake-left? What do you think of China's balloon?
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