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#15317585
I was just watching a hilarious Netflix documentary about Hitler and the nsdap...which was remarkable for how many lies and false narratives it had. This is, of course, the only sort of 'documentary' that is legally available anymore on the subject...just low brow propaganda.

Now...because I personally have read actual primary sources rather than relying on Netflix or YouTube for my information, I actually know things about this general subject. And so I was inspired to give a quiz for people to show off how smart and educated they are.

My question for any interested reader is simply this: if you were to ask Hitler why he didn't like the jews...what would he have said?

I am not asking whether he was correct or anything like that...you don't have to actually agree with him. I am merely asking what HIS response would be if you asked him that question. You might even believe that he would not represent his own opinion properly...he would be lying for propaganda reasons. I don't care.

I am simply asking...what would Hitler himself say? What points would he himself make?

I actually doubt that anyone on this forum besides myself could give a decent answer to that question, lol...which is funny if you think about it...because it is arguably the most important question of the past 100 years. Our whole civilization is apparently dedicated to being the opposite of hitler...that is our raison d'etre....but nobody know what Hitler actually was? Very curious!
#15317603
@Fasces Apparently his last words were in Spanish in Colombia. He reincarnated as a Latino who invades the USA from the Southern Border.

There have been Nazis in PoFo in the past. Much better educated than Five. But he thinks he has the goods from 'real books'. He is not educated on a damn thing. YouTube is like a resource, but there are a lot of resources. Huge amounts of information. In article format, videos, and books. Scholarly works, podcasts, interviews on the radio and on TV, and other resources. The problem is Five wants to be taken seriously but he never gives any background on his formal education or if he has none but is an autodidactic person. But? If you think the most important question in the world is what Hitler said about Jews? Then you are definitely not a very objective thinker.

End of the story folks. You are dealing with tunnelvision. :lol:
#15317606
Unthinking Majority wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

What Wikipedia isn't going to tell you is that even 'mainstream' historians will admit that the official story on why the usa entered ww1 is a bit ridiculous...and the official story on why the uk made the Balfour declaration is also ridiculous. In reality they were probably connected...Louis Brandeis almost certainly made a deal to trade theis entry into the war (which wilson was elected under the promise of not doing) for the Balfour declaration. And no, that is not some 'fringe' conspiracy theory. Plenty of 'acceptable' scholars on ww1 will admit this is probably the reality...but they know better than to be too loud about this because insisting on that version of the story might get them called anti semitic...since it basically demonstrates that jews are not as 'Tikkan olam' as they pretend.

Anyway, Hitler himself did not focus on this sort of thing. That would more accurately describe figures like Goering. Hitler was not interested in restoring the monarchy and never pretended to be. Monarchists themselves did tend to support Hitler (until operation valkyrie) simply because they considered him the lesser of 2 evils, but Hitler himself pointed to the weakness of german leadership as a major reason for the loss of ww1 and it is important to realize that a huge % of nsdap membership-probably the majority-had been communists during ww1.

So no, this is not an acceptable answer.
#15317607
In "Mein Kampf" he wrote about PR (the edition before power grab), the hate has to be concentrated, he saw in anti-semitism the vehicle to get votes
-he saw in the Jews the Capitalist
rulers who oppress the Aryans
-The only big minority in Germany he saw in them who pollute the pure Aryan blood
-For the Russians he had a worser faith then extinction, slavery as children they should be made alcohole addicted...
#15317610
Yes. In Vienna he had a lover, Morty Goldstein, who spurned him for a Bolshevik. Unfortunately, Hitler had gone a little gaga with Morty, and he went a bit far in the other direction when trying to prove he had never loved Goldstein, never ever. Goldstein was a prolific smoker of tobacco, too.

This is all well known. It's in the unedited version of Mein Kampf. See, his editor convinced Hitler to take out that section, but thank god Donitz had some of the unedited manuscripts with him at the time of surrender.

I think any real historian of Hitler would know these things, it really surprises me that you don't.
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#15317611
Skynet wrote:In "Mein Kampf" he wrote about PR (the edition before power grab), the hate has to be concentrated, he saw in anti-semitism the vehicle to get votes
-he saw in the Jews the Capitalist
rulers who oppress the Aryans
-The only big minority in Germany he saw in them who pollute the pure Aryan blood
-For the Russians he had a worser faith then extinction, slavery as children they should be made alcohole addicted...


Well no. You are drastically misrepresenting what Hitler said in his unpublished book. I would be happy to discuss what he was actually saying but it is not the subject. I was simply asking what Hitler would say if you asked him why he had an issue with jews.

'They pollute the Aryan blood' doesn't really explain anything. Through interbreeding? Why not blacks? This would not be unique to jews. And in fact, jews kept to themselves for the most part. If they had not then they would have disappeared as a people centuries ago. That sentence really does not explain anything.
#15317629
FiveofSwords wrote:I was just watching a hilarious Netflix documentary about Hitler and the nsdap...which was remarkable for how many lies and false narratives it had. This is, of course, the only sort of 'documentary' that is legally available anymore on the subject...just low brow propaganda.

Now...because I personally have read actual primary sources rather than relying on Netflix or YouTube for my information, I actually know things about this general subject. And so I was inspired to give a quiz for people to show off how smart and educated they are.

My question for any interested reader is simply this: if you were to ask Hitler why he didn't like the jews...what would he have said?

I am not asking whether he was correct or anything like that...you don't have to actually agree with him. I am merely asking what HIS response would be if you asked him that question. You might even believe that he would not represent his own opinion properly...he would be lying for propaganda reasons. I don't care.

I am simply asking...what would Hitler himself say? What points would he himself make?

I actually doubt that anyone on this forum besides myself could give a decent answer to that question, lol...which is funny if you think about it...because it is arguably the most important question of the past 100 years. Our whole civilization is apparently dedicated to being the opposite of hitler...that is our raison d'etre....but nobody know what Hitler actually was? Very curious!


Because a jew shot off one of his balls and probably because his mother died to a jewish doctor. Now one of them might be disputable but the other one isn't.
#15317631
Well I wonder how many would know what Hitler's opinion of Blitzkreig was without looking it up.
#15317678
Fasces wrote:
Nazis are all "might makes right" and then follow the words and ideology of a loser instead of Pattonism.



Pattonism?

The Germans developed a new style of war based on highly mobile armored vehicles.

We copied them.

On the other topic, 5 is nuts. Just as an FYI, Germany was intensely anti-Semitic. Whether Hitler believed it or not doesn't matter. What he did does matter.
#15317688
Fasces wrote:Patton was an American general in WW2. He beat the Nazis. If Might makes Right, Pattonism beats Hitlerism.

Funny you should bring up Patton. He realized the war was a mistake and decided the national socialists were right, shortly before he was assassinated.
#15317691
FiveofSwords wrote:I've never suggested that might makes right


Yes you do all the time. @ingliz pointed it out to you and you ignored it. You ignore like a coward every valid point.

What a loser attitude you have. :lol:
#15317692
FiveofSwords wrote:Funny you should bring up Patton. He realized the war was a mistake and decided the national socialists were right, shortly before he was assassinated.


Patton got himself killed like Hitler killed himself. What a loser ideology. Everyone who follows it dies. Guess that's what we call 'survival of the fittest'. Blackshirts just ain't fit.

How many kids did Hitler have anyway? He must have been a prodigal spreader of genes to spur such loyalty. Even Stalin had a couple of kids, surely the true Aryan had some potent swimmers.

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