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Can black markets lead to a libertarian society?

According to agorists, interactions in black markets and grey markets can lay the groundwork for a nonviolent revolution against the present-day administrative state.

Agorism refers to a political philosophy that advocates for the use of counter-economics and similar ideas to create a libertarian society based on voluntary exchanges and associations.

The Etymology and Origins of Agorism

American libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III coined the term agorism. To understand the principles that define agorism, we must look towards the ancients.

The word is derived from the Ancient Greek word (Ancient Greek:  ἀγoρά), which refers to an open space where people can assemble and engage in commerce at in a polis— the Ancient Greek word for city-state (πόλις).

Konkin admired free markets and was part of the budding libertarian movement of the 1970s. His sympathies for libertarianism and anarchism made him a natural opponent of the modern-day state. SEK3 was particularly inspired by the works of the Ausrian School economist Ludwig von Mises and his acolytes who pushed for free markets.

The Debates Within the Libertarian Movement on Strategy

In addition to creating a political movement, Konkin gained fame for coining the term “minarchism”, which refers to a form of libertarianism that advocates for a minimal state.

Konkin was functionally an anarchist in his approach to the state. He viewed the state as an immoral entity that not only stifled economic progress but also transgressed on basic human liberties.

In the libertarian movement’s embryonic stage, there were constant debates about how liberty should be ultimately secured. Some libertarian figures advocated for traditional political methods to advance these ideas. The Libertarian Party was viewed as the primary vehicle for effecting change in the traditional political sphere.

There were other libertarians who agreed that the political route was the only way for their ideas to become politically relevant. But they held one caveat: Libertarians should run in the Republican Party. They reasoned that the GOP had libertarian factions within it and a mainstream party with its resources could propel those ideas to new heights.

Others focused on educational means of spreading their message through think tanks, educational institutions, and general culture. Certain schools of libertarianism inspired by Friedrich A. Hayek’s Intellectuals and Socialism, firmly believed that the diffusion of ideas is paramount towards generating change.

Why Ideological Splits Still Matter

There were obvious ideological splits among libertarians as well. There were minarchists, who believed in a minimal state, and the anarchists, who opposed the concept of a state. The latter were more averse to traditional activism, while the former was not afraid to participate in party politics and take part in mainstream academia.

Anti-state individuals have been allured by the unique nature of agorism. What excited them about this free-market philosophy was how it offered a unique opportunity for them to put their principles in action. By carrying the agorist flag, these individuals see market interactions as vehicles of societal liberation from state coercion

The Konkin vs. Rothbard Debate on How to Achieve Liberty

Konkin rose to prominence around the same time as Murray Rothbard, the leading exponent of anarcho-capitalism of that time, became the intellectual pillar for libertarianism.

Apart from his radicalism, Rothbard was known for his political eccentricism. Rothbard was willing to forge alliances with both the Old Right and the New Left. The free-market stalwart was a political junkie through and through. He was fascinated by the intrigue of 20th century politics in America.

Rothbard advocated for conventional political action to advance libertarian ideas. He was initially a strong supporter of the Libertarian Party and saw political parties as vehicles to realize substantial political reforms in the United States. Konkin, by contrast, was not a fan of party politics.

The founder of agorism was of the view that playing in the direct politics game only perpetuates statism. Konkin’s political philosophy focused on direct action in the real world and avoided the political arena altogether.

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Whenever I find myself in this situation, I try to remember Phillips 7 Laws of Money. One of the laws is There Are Worlds Without Money.

Traditional agrarian culture is usually in some sense communal. Everyone has heard about barn raising, but there's a lot more to it. They would grow a number of crops, not to maximise profit, but to guarantee a supply of food. Food they could share if a member of the community had a bad year.

So what you're thinking is not entirely impossible. Good luck finding a place remote enough to actually make it happen. Not that anyone, in a place like this, would move to a place like that. Or that you could, most entertaining such a fantasy have no idea how hard it is, or the skills you need BEFORE you start.
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libertasbella wrote:



black markets and grey markets



This is a *fetishization* of economics over politics in the / any (necessarily-intertwined) political economy of *both* politics and economics, as a whole.

(See the intertwining 'tentacles' of economic capital *and* political capital in the following diagram.)


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libertarian society based on voluntary exchanges and associations



We no longer live in *agrarian* environments -- this is a hearkening-back-to, or *nostalgia*, for yesteryear agrarian family farming self-sufficiency, during slave-labor-using historical times.

The *modern* societal situation we live in is one of how to distribute the prodigious output of *mass industrial* processes, since the beginning of industrialization.



open space where people can assemble and engage in commerce at in a polis



Your market fetishism extends to the point of seeing free-association as merely being a means for *commerce*.
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late wrote:Whenever I find myself in this situation, I try to remember Phillips 7 Laws of Money. One of the laws is There Are Worlds Without Money.

Traditional agrarian culture is usually in some sense communal. Everyone has heard about barn raising, but there's a lot more to it. They would grow a number of crops, not to maximise profit, but to guarantee a supply of food. Food they could share if a member of the community had a bad year.

So what you're thinking is not entirely impossible. Good luck finding a place remote enough to actually make it happen. Not that anyone, in a place like this, would move to a place like that. Or that you could, most entertaining such a fantasy have no idea how hard it is, or the skills you need BEFORE you start.

Whats everyone think about eras of conflict back then? Now, all wars and deaths are mostly in a period of the communist and fascist innovations and capitalists but the traditionalists are evil, is that it? Everyone's got an evil on that. Are they money grubbing, those were 3 sweating money grubbers there. And what were they going to lose back then, a factory system? They have developed this idea today and online, you lose your factory production you lose your Strategy Game. Oh, they lost their territory now they're done for. They have lost at the math equation. No one is actually explaining to a bible thumper whats the line mean, weird, thats not it. No one actually knows like, what anyone would be doing back there. What if a Russian Queen grabs the Throne in 1919 and picks up some hammer sickle symbology.

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Besides, whats everyone talking about. A production module. An anthem? Alternate "War of the Three Kingdoms" banner... Its from Battle Brothers.

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The Wars of the Three Kingdoms,[b] sometimes known as the British Civil Wars,[c][d] were an intertwined series of conflicts that took place between 1639 and 1653 in the Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland – separate kingdoms which had the same king, Charles I. The wars were fought mainly over issues of governance and religion, and included rebellions, civil wars and invasions. The English Civil War has become the best-known of these conflicts. It ended with the English parliamentarian army defeating all other belligerents, the execution of the King, the abolition of the monarchy, and the founding of the Commonwealth of England, a unitary republic which controlled the British Isles until 1660.

The wars arose from civil and religious disputes, mainly whether ultimate political power should be held by the King or by parliament, as well as issues of religious freedom and religious discrimination.
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late wrote:Go to a University library, buy a library card, and start reading.

You don't think they're full of customary lies? we lie by custom by ourselves in our libraries. You can spend another evening with it. Well they didn't have the Power even sure, to perform mass murders many people tend to say. And for another, I come to the conclusion that World War 2 should be a breaking point of anything we called traditional Europe just like Napoleon. No one will tend to say this. Napoleon and Hitler clearing the board.
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Mike12 wrote:
You don't think they're full of customary lies?



Nope.

But there are huge difference of interpretation. When I was studying racism, I got books on what the Brits and Germans thought about slavery and racism. It was very different from American interpretations.

Academic have standards, something people outside the academic world often don't have.
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late wrote:Nope.

But there are huge difference of interpretation. When I was studying racism, I got books on what the Brits and Germans thought about slavery and racism. It was very different from American interpretations.

Academic have standards, something people outside the academic world often don't have.

Heil anti-racism. THeres an ideological Purity here and when you Achieve it... When you achieve it.... put it in Action. when you Achieve it... Actual anti-racism..... the 5th 6th sigma, the 99.9995%...

They actually have obscured if we ever get Any say over black people ever again, if its ever our country ever again or if we could ever contest it ever again in every system or institution anywhere visible... Whats the one where you didn't like the country in which you worked, migrant labor? Whats the one where everybody got killed by the same things at the same time? Whats the one where they truly never knew no African continent , Arab continent , Asian continent, inbred? Thats the talking point, you mean enemy. You mean colonialism isn't even an idea yet and you've brought captures over...
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Mike12 wrote:
Heil anti-racism. THeres an ideological Purity here and when you Achieve it... When you achieve it.... put it in Action. when you Achieve it... Actual anti-racism..... the 5th 6th sigma, the 99.9995%...

They actually have obscured if we ever get Any say over black people ever again, if its ever our country ever again or if we could ever contest it ever again in every system or institution anywhere visible... Whats the one where you didn't like the country in which you worked, migrant labor? Whats the one where everybody got killed by the same things at the same time? Whats the one where they truly never knew no African continent , Arab continent , Asian continent, inbred? Thats the talking point, you mean enemy. You mean colonialism isn't even an idea yet and you've brought captures over...



I usually call something like that babbling.
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late wrote:I usually call something like that babbling.

Well OK, back up to your post and explain the British idea on slavery. They tend to spin this to me when they say the British already banned slavery by the 1850's. They tend to treat the British all civilized and better than you.

Whats the British idea on racism?

And I would be horrified if we sunk to an intellectual low of using American domestic terminology to explain every facet of Hitler's psychological regime. Every resident responds 20 years later that 1% of the population and less are on the very edge of defeating the security of Germany.

The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts". Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch.
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KhawarezmLLC wrote:
That grin thing!

I always thought it meant: Work for a gang, spend on another, and let the young prey on the homeless.



No, I tend to use the 'grin' denotation the way people typically use emoticons or emojis, to express *emotion*.

Maybe you want to elaborate on your statement about society -- *how else* would people get the commodities that they need for their daily lives?
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ckaihatsu wrote:
*how else* would people get the commodities that they need for their daily lives?




So with both the animal-products, and the landscape-artist scenarios, one could reasonably ask 'What if humane-need demand for social production *outstrips* the pool of available-and-willing liberated labor that could see the demands through to completion?' Perhaps no one on the *entire planet* wants to do livestock farming or be an artist's assistant for the sake of someone's *else's* artistic conceptions. Yet the society would have the general objective *capacity*, or material *potential*, to accomplish the provision of ham and yogurt, or a landscape artwork, for the general social good. The social use of the 'labor credits' vehicle would bridge this gap, and would also allow for keeping the material-economic and socio-political realms *separate*, so that one would *not necessarily* have to be personally invested in what they're doing as (liberated) labor, as would be inherently necessary in a strictly-voluntary communist-type gift economy. (One could work at *whatever* work roles are available, if allowed-to by whatever project, simply to amass *labor credits* instead of necessarily having to 'like' a work-role both personally *and also* for its material output to the social good, as would happen in a non-labor-credits communistic gift economy.)



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