[Godstud]

The same people who wish Alexander the Great was a white guy are the same ones having fits over how Jesus probably looked.


OMG he looks so... swarthy, and Middle Eastern! He even looks Jewish! WTH!

[Beren]

OMG he looks so... swarthy, and Middle Eastern! He even looks Jewish! WTH!

He looks Semitic I would say.

[Donna]

According to all of the occult and esoteric anthropology in the Western tradition, the Aryan race includes swarthy/brown/Semitic people, including the majority of Arab Muslims. The Nordics, however, form the Hyperborean crown of Aryan humanity. There are four mother-races (Aryan, Yellow, Mongol, and Negro), each a representative of one of the four corners of the earth, a great Hermetic indication. All four of these races are also structured along a hierarchal form. For example, the Japanese are the bearers of the Hyperborean principle for the Yellow race. Among the Negros the Hyperborean principle is bestowed on the Ethiopians, and for the Mongols it is the Tibetans.

The Islamic faith seems to be a rallying point for sub-races from all four mother-races, which should be a cause for concern. Its emergence after the defeat of the monophysite heresies by speculative Orthodoxy and the rise of the rabbinical Kabbalah places it [Islam] in the empirical stream of history, from Averroes to the British empiricists (and grandfathered by Baruch Spinoza's "divine naturalism," the demonic sibling of rabbinical mysticism). Islam has always been of interest to Masonic minimalism, which detested the trappings of the altar and its liturgy, as well as the imagination of Tradition, which was viewed as decadent and intolerant by health-conscious, Protestant-Masonic sensibilities. Their drive to create a universal and academic social order on the foundations of prosperity and cosmopolitanism is the religious basis of liberalism. Its metaphysical and mythical basis is the denial of the Golden Age or Satya yuga, from which Man had fallen from (i.e. it denies the sin of Adam and the paradisiacal epoch). Epistemologically it negates the historical situation of revelation, whether the Vedas or the Bible. Today's denial of race would appear to be a microcosm of our amnesia of the traditional cosmogony.

The election of Donald Trump, I think, would be a step in the right direction if we accept that the liberal paradigm is in fact coming to an end and something else must step in.

[blackjack21]

These works of art were done by ancient Greeks and Romans, showing us how they looked like and they did not look like Germans but like modern Greeks, Italians and Spanish.

Alexander the Great was Macedonian. It's quite possible the descriptions of his hair as blonde, tawny, or like a lion's mane are indeed true. The Celts invaded the area, and it's quite possible that through intermarriage in the past that recessive traits were in his blood line. If he had one blue eye, he had either heterochromia or some accident. David Bowie had one off-colored eye and one blue eye due to some sort of fight during childhood. It's not impossible to imagine. Jesus was from Galilee. So he may have had some Celtic (Gallic) ancestry, which would have made him distinctively different looking from a typical Jew of that time. It may also be why it was easy to single him out and execute him, and why he didn't get along well with the temple priests.

My mother is Irish from Celtic stock. MTDNA J1C.

Haplogroup J, the parent haplogroup of J1, originated about 45,000 years ago on the Arabian Peninsula. About 7,000 years ago the expansion of farming carried daughter lineages of J, including J1, into Europe. Today the haplogroup extends as far west as Britain and as far east as Central Asia
The remains of King Richard III were identified using a subgroup of haplogroup J1.

My DNA on that side traces originally to the Middle East. Whereas, on my father's side it is Anglo-Norman, I1 haplogroup, which traces to Sweden, Denmark and Germany. Since Celtic DNA comes out of the Middle East, it is not inconceivable that there were some fair-skinned, blue-eyed blondes or red heads in those parts. King David was described as fair-skinned and ruddy. So was Jesus. Galileans weren't the same ethnicity as Judeans.

I wonder if the Donald will be considered Nordic or Orange by future generations. All races will claim him their own.

Maybe William of Orange is a distant ancestor of Donald Trump?

The same people who wish Alexander the Great was a white guy are the same ones having fits over how Jesus probably looked.

Jesus was from Galilee (Galilee of the Gentiles), not Judea. The Judeans and Galileans didn't care too much for each other. Not to worry though. Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have blonde hair and blue eyes.

The election of Donald Trump, I think, would be a step in the right direction if we accept that the liberal paradigm is in fact coming to an end and something else must step in.

Well it has become decadent, arrogant, and hopelessly ineffective. I still think Donald Trump plays the role of Nemesis.

[ArtAllm]

Pro Semitic, that's just a cover for being pro Muslim.

Sorry, but this was an idiotic statement, about 30℅ of expelled Palestinians were Christians, not Muslims.

Native Palestinian Semites who were Christians were overrepresented in the liberation organizations of Palestinians.

Islam was not an issue till Zionists made it into an issue.

Palestine was stolen from western civilisation by proto Muslim terrorists fourteen hundred years ago.

Your ignorance is amazing!
Are you a so called "evangelical".

Palestine was historically part of East Rome, speak the Byzantine Empire. If somebody can claim that Palestine was part of their civilization, then Russians, Greeks and other Orthodox Christians.

Palestine and Constantinople were still parts of East Rome fourteen hundred years ago.

Byzantine lost Palestine only in the 7th century AD. And Byzantine was destroyed after it was weakened by Crusaders, who plundered Constantinople in 1204 when it still was a Christian city.

BTW, Russian Tsars had the power to free not only the Greeks and other Europeans from the Muslim yoke, but also the Oriental Christians.

Constantinople and Jerusalem would be Christian today, if decadent western powers, subverted by non-Christian financial elites, did not fight on the side of Muslims.

UK was an ally of the Muslim Ottoman Empire, Russia was the protector of the 12 Million Christians in this Muslim empire.

Tsar Nikolas the First dispatched Menshikov to England in 1853 to explain his intentions, but Brits, like Disraeli and his kinsmen from the financial elite, had already a decisive influence in the corrupt and degenerate Western elite.

That is why the West prevented Orthodox Christians from reconquering Constantinople and the Byzantine province Palestine and Jerusalem.

Zionist Europeans were perfectly with in their rights to reclaim this territory.

These Zionists were not Christians (even if some, like Disraeli, ostensibly converted to Christianity) and they did not care a rat's ass about freeing or protecting Oriental Christians, which was the intention of Russian Tsars.

 

It was actually Alexander who liberated Palestine from Irano- Zoroastrian oppression.

Do not watch silly Hollywood movies, ancient Persians were neither Muslims nor Arabs, they were  Zoroastrian Aryans, Iran comes from the word "Aryan".

And if we believe the pictures, pasted by Noemon, then ancient Persians looked more like today Europeans, than ancient Greeks, and Alexander himself looked like an Arab.

Anyway, Alexander did not care rat's ass about Europe or the West, he moved his capital to Egypt, he ordered his soldiers and noblemen to marry local Egyptian women, they brought a lot of oriental women to Greece, and as a result the descendants of Greeks were indistinguishable from oriental people at the time of Roman Empire, and that is the reason why Alexander looks like an Arab on the pictures, created by his descendants: they portrayed him the way they themselves looked after the policy of race mixing, promoted by Alexander.

It became part of the West.

Byzantine Empire was never part of the  West, were did you go to school?

The term West is derived from "Western Roman Empire", that came into being after the division of Roman Empire into Eastern and Western parts.

What was conquered by Alexandr became Byzantine Empire, and it was populated by swarthy people.

Some of them later converted to Islam, some of them (many Millions!!!) are still Orthodox Christians, like more than 30℅ of expelled Palestinians, like some Black Ethiopians or Copts in Egypt who claim to be of Greek origin.

But even if we stick to recent history, I never hear Palestinians demanding the right of Armenians to return to their lost lands.

How do you know?

Are there any Palestinians in this forum?

There are a lot of Palestinian Christians, some of them are even of Armenian origin. Why should the Palestinians care about Turkey?

Turkey is an ally of Zionists, not of Palestinians.

Who was the ally of Turks in the wars with Russia? Who  protected Armenians and other Orthodox Christians?

Guys like Disraeli and the so called Young Turks, the kinsmen of Disraeli, were responsible for the expulsion of Armenians, and Turkey is an ally of Zionists, not of Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims.

Turkey is a NATO member, and Zionists are pushing this Muslim country into EU.

That is why western countries decided to support Turkey in this issue.

No it always seems to be all one way with Muslims. If they don't support the right of Armenians to return why should we support their right to return?

Are there any Muslims in this forum?

The Turks do not support the return of Armenians to Turkey, and the "Young Turks" were the allies of guys, like Disraeli, and today the Turks are the allies of Zionists and their puppets in the West.

So what has this issue with Turks to do with Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Benjamin Netanyahu has courageously opened the debate on how it may have been Palestinians who pushed the final solution for the Jews.

We cannot have any discussion about this issue for obvious reasons, but the Madagascar-Project was not against the interests of Palestinians, it was against the interests of Zionists.

If Nethanyahu was a decent person he would open a debate about the lack of academical freedom in most EU countries, like the Iranian leader did. 

To promote some idiotic conspiracy theories and at the the same time to push for more draconian censorship of academical freedom in western countries has nothing to do with courage, there are dissident historians and other scientists who were put behind bars for their non-violent opinion about this issue, and guess who pushed for these soviet-style laws in the "free West"?

What hasn't been explored is Palestinian Muslim complicity in the Armenian genocide,

It has already been explored who these Young Turks and their predecessors were, and if Hollywood does not produce pictures about the origin of Young Turks, then this is not because Hollywood is controller by "them Muslims".



Stop watching television and Hollywood movies, read primary sources, do your own research and educate yourself for Christ's sake!

Nethanyahu accused Trump of "racism", because Trump does not like the idea of flooding America with Muslim refugees, who are fleeing from the territory that some Zionists  believes is the territory of "Bigger Israel", and he called Merkel a good girl, because she could not refuse to open the door for these people.

So how can Zionists be friends of Europeans?

Europe is flooded with Muslims, because of wars for the strategic interests of Israel, Muslims are replacing Europeans in Europe, Zionists support this invasion into Europe and push Turkey into EU, and you are talking about Zionists and their degenerate stooges in Western countries re-conquering the Orient, which was never part of the West?



Is it possible that you are just another Zionist shill, pretending to fight for a Hollywood version of a "Judeo-Christian West", that never existed in real world?

[noemon]

Alexander the Great was Macedonian. It's quite possible the descriptions of his hair as blonde, tawny, or like a lion's mane are indeed true. The Celts invaded the area, and it's quite possible that through intermarriage in the past that recessive traits were in his blood line. If he had one blue eye, he had either heterochromia or some accident. David Bowie had one off-colored eye and one blue eye due to some sort of fight during childhood. It's not impossible to imagine. Jesus was from Galilee. So he may have had some Celtic (Gallic) ancestry, which would have made him distinctively different looking from a typical Jew of that time. It may also be why it was easy to single him out and execute him, and why he didn't get along well with the temple priests.

My mother is Irish from Celtic stock. MTDNA J1C.

The Celts invaded Macedonia after Alexander was already dead. So aside from calling Alexander the Great Slavic, we also now have Celtic and Middle-Eastern as well.

The political situation in the Balkans during the 4th century BC played to the Celts' advantage. The Illyrians had been waging war against the Greeks, leaving their western flank weak. While Alexander ruled Greece, the Celts dared not to push south near Greece. Therefore, early Celtic expeditions were concentrated against Illyrian tribes.[3]

The first Balkan tribe to be defeated by the Celts was the Illyric Autariatae, who, during the 4th century BC, had enjoyed a hegemony over much of the central Balkans, centred on the Morava valley.[2] An account of Celtic tactics is revealed in their attacks on the Ardiaei.

In 335 BC, the Celts sent representatives to pay homage to Alexander the Great, while Macedon was engaged in wars against Thracians on its northern border. Some historians suggest that this 'diplomatic' act was actually an evaluation of Macedonian military might.[3] After the death of Alexander the Great, Celtic armies began to bear down on the southern regions, threatening the Greek kingdom of Macedonia and the rest of Greece. In 310 BC, the Celtic general Molistomos attacked deep into Illyrian territory, subduing the Dardanians, Paeonians and Triballi. The new Macedonian king Cassander felt compelled to take his old Illyrian enemies under his protection.[3] In 298 BC, the Celts attempted a penetrating attack into Thrace and Macedon, where they suffered a heavy defeat near Haemus Mons at the hands of Cassander. However, another body of Celts led by the general Cambaules marched on Thrace, capturing large areas.[1]

And if we believe the pictures, pasted by Noemon, then ancient Persians looked more like today Europeans, than ancient Greeks, and Alexander himself looked like an Arab.

Anyway, Alexander did not care rat's ass about Europe or the West, he moved his capital to Egypt, he ordered his soldiers and noblemen to marry local Egyptian women, they brought a lot of oriental women to Greece, and as a result the descendants of Greeks were indistinguishable from oriental people at the time of Roman Empire, and that is the reason why Alexander looks like an Arab on the pictures, created by his descendants: they portrayed him the way they themselves looked after the policy of race mixing, promoted by Alexander.

Wait a minute, Iranians look like Europeans but Iranian women married with Greeks turned the Greeks into Arabs? Even by your twisted logic this does not compute.

And you have yet to address the fact of Greek apartheid and you have also not addressed the fact that these "Arab-looking people" who made that mosaic were Romans, not Greeks in the 100BC.

Romans looking like this:

Constantinople and Jerusalem would be Christian today, if decadent western powers, subverted by non-Christian financial elites, did not fight on the side of Muslims.
UK was an ally of the Muslim Ottoman Empire, Russia was the protector of the 12 Million Christians in this Muslim empire.

At the end of World War I, when the UK & Greece fought the Germans on the side of the Ottomans, the UK was the main proponent of Istanbul going to Greece, the French, the Italians and the Soviet Russians however could not tolerate a Greek Constantinople and it were the Soviets who gave Ataturk the necessary weapons, and the French and Italians who made life difficult for the Greeks and the British. Constantinople was occupied and it was eventually ceded to Turkey.

The one thing that has not received the necessary attention in the historical record is German complicity & support in the Armenian, Greek and Syrian genocides, when in fact a lot of Ottoman massacres took place under German commanders.

In December 1913, a German mission arrived in Turkey with the task of reorganizing the Ottoman army. Officers of the German military mission assumed responsibility for the command of the Turkish army under the leadership of Enver. The German-Turkish relationship was strengthened after the agreement of a military alliance between Germany and the Ottoman Empire in August 1914.

In notes written after a meeting with Young Turk leaders of the Committee of Union and Progress known as ‘Ittihad’, Max Scheubner-Richter, a German vice consul and commander of a joint German-Turkish special guerrilla force, described plans to “destroy” the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire.

The first item on this agenda concerns the liquidation of the Armenians. Ittihad will dangle before the Allies a specter of an alleged revolution prepared by the Armenian Dashnak party. Moreover, local incidents of social unrest and acts of Armenian self defense will deliberately be provoked and inflated and will be used as pretexts to effect the deportations. Once en route, however, the convoys will be attacked and exterminated by Kurdish and Turkish brigands, and in part by gendarmes, who will be instigated for that purpose by Ittihad.2

From their unique position as overseers of the Ottoman army, German soldiers watched as the genocide was carried out. The highest-ranking member of Germany’s military mission to Turkey, General Bronsart von Schellendorf, directly issued orders for the round up and deportation of Armenians. Another high-ranking German officer, Lieutenant Colonel Boettrich, the military chief overseeing the construction of the Baghdad Railway, produced orders to deport the Armenian laborers, workmen, technicians, engineers, and administrators who were working on the railroad.3 When Franz Gunther, deputy director of the Anatolian Railway, learned about Boettrich’s orders, he warned:

Our enemies will some day pay a good price to obtain possession of this document . . . they will be able to prove that the Germans have not only done nothing to prevent the Armenian persecutions but they even issued certain orders to this effect, as the [Turkish] Military Commander has ecstatically pointed out.4

[Hong Wu]

Let's talk about Trump guys!

[ThirdTerm]

Historical accounts described Alexander the Great's hair colour as yellow or reddish blond. Queen Olympias was his biological mother, from whom he inherited his reddish blonde hair as the Alexander Mosaic, dating from circa 100 BC, shows. The ancient Greeks were a mixture of various migration groups to the region and haplogroups R1a and I were present in ancient Greece, which are associated with Nordic physical characters such as reddish blonde hair.

Book XII Chap. XIV. Of persons excellent in Beauty.

"They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance." On the Cassics-L list, it was mentioned that translations for the Greek adjective include "reddish blond."

[Albert]

I do not know why people argue here. Alexander was a Macedon, aka Slav.

But on serious note. It seems there might had been a mixture in antiquity. As a lot of sculptures and paintings do depicts northern European looking peoples.

For example Augustus is pretty white looking


Considering north Italy was settled by various barbarians like Gauls who were Celts. I would not be surprised to find Romans who were 'Nordic' in appearance. As Rome was know to practice assimilation. On top of that there was slavery, so people of different origins would come to mix there as well.

Same could be said for the Greeks, as they had experienced invasions from the north. For example like Dorians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorians

So I think there probably were blond blue eyed Greeks and Romans. Did Alexander or Cesar look like that. I don't know and who cares really.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

I just know in my feels that Jesus, Alexander, and the ancient Greeks and Romans were as Aryan and blond and blue eyed as Hitler. They were a race of supermen. Also, I read something by Himmler who says Genghis was red haired and green eyed so it must have merit.

[noemon]

For example Augustus is pretty white looking

On tonights news, white marble looks white. So bronze statues are certainly Black people then.

Ancient Greeks and Romans even the pale-white ones would be severely tanned in their lifetimes as back then outdoor life was widespread and their complexion would not be anywhere near Nordic people today even for those who might have had Nordic origins somewhere in their genes. That is also why women are shown whiter, as women did not go outdoors much and in Athens, they were completely covered even when they did.

[Albert]

No I'm judging more by physical features.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

On tonights news, white marble looks white. So bronze statues are Black people then.

Indeed Noemon, and since his white marble statue clearly shows his skin, hair, and eyes as white, he was three times the Aryan!

[The Immortal Goon]

Let me get this right:

There were no photographs in ancient Greece.

Thus, you can't possibly say that you know for sure that Alexander didn't have blond hair, despite any evidence to the contrary.

Thus Jesus was a Hyperborean Aryan Superman that proves Hitler was right all along, which proves your own personal feelings.

...I could be wrong, but it seems to me that there's a chain of logic that breaks down in there once or twice.

[noemon]

Albert, my antenna tells me that you have not travelled anywhere outside the town limits you grew up and as such the physical features and complexion of people you are intimate with is severely marginal.

The proportion of blue-eyed people among ancient Greeks and Romans was marginal probably somewhere around 10% of the population as the evil eye superstition intimates, it was rare enough to be considered evil. Surely I reckon Greeks and Romans would not consider evil their own widespread blue eyes, now would they, if they had any?

[anasawad]

Some people should learn that Aryans aren't actually "white".

Now i don't know for sure, but in our records and history, west romans were described near white and blonde people.
East romans (which includes greeks) are described in color as caucasian.

And for Jesus. Well, he was an Israeli, i mean the original and actual Israelis not the Euro-Jews. Those were quite dark skinned. To the point of many of them being considered black people. After all, they're part Africans, whom before the Arabs mixed with them were quite dark skinned people.
So.... yea jesus was not white or anything even close to being white. Infact the exact opposite of white.

[noemon]

The thing is everyone describes things relative to himself, fair for Greeks is still a tanned person by western standards, fair for an Arab Muslim would be a shade lighter than themselves as the Greeks are but still far darker than a German.

Herodotus tells us that the Greeks are whiter than the Egyptians and darker than the Hyperboreans, ofc a Nordicist reads only the first part the "whiter than Egyptians" and instantly assumes, they were Nordics then.

Herodotus also tells us that the Egyptians are whiter than the Aithiopians which literally translates to Burned Faces in Greek.

[anasawad]

@noemon
True, but Greeks generally fit within the caucasian catagory, in Arabic its called (hentti), and Greeks are described as that. So not white, nor dark skinned.

Infact, if we want to look at historical clues about how they looked in general when their interaction with the Arabs started.
We know that Arabs first thoughts that people with blonde hair are sick people and have poor nutrition thus their hair lost its color.
So by that, the obvious assumption is that blonde hair wasn't exactly that common to be considered a general charactaristic of the Greeco-Roman people.

[noemon]

The Greeks could not be called dark-skinned by Arabs as the Arabs were more dark-skinned than them.

And don't take this the wrong way again, but Arab records begin in the Middle Ages, after the 7th AD and most records are from the 10th-12th AD and refer to Byzantine Greco-Romans.

[Albert]

Albert, my antenna tells me that you have not travelled anywhere outside the town limits you grew up and as such the physical features and complexion of people you are intimate with is severely marginal.

The proportion of blue-eyed people among ancient Greeks and Romans was marginal probably somewhere around 10% of the population as the evil eye superstition intimates, it was rare enough to be considered evil. Surely I reckon Greeks and Romans would not consider evil their own widespread blue eyes, now would they, if they had any?

Look I don't really care to be frank and I have little interest in these ego discussions that usually turn in the end to who has the biggest dick in the room.

I just think its fair to assume that there was a mix of Nordics in Greco-Roman world. Considering geography, expansion of those peoples and history. Yet with your brown centrist view its natural you would not be open to such possibility.

In the end can we all agree that Jesus was a Jew.