noemon wrote:So why did you mention the Nazis?
Are you not talking about my "pathetic Nordic supremacy" and not constantly referring to my German citizenship in nearly every post?
I am not interested in your background at all, I just try to have an intelligent discussion about the subject, instead of calling names.
noemon wrote:Sparta did not have any non-Greek slaves, the Helots and all their slaves were Achaeans, that is Greeks.
The term "Greek" was a political thing at that time, only free persons were Greek citizens.
Anyway, most slaves were from very different far away countries, because Greeks wanted to be sure that the slave would speak different languages and could not communicate with each others.
There is a lack of direct evidence of slave traffic, but corroborating evidence exists. Firstly, certain nationalities are consistently and significantly represented in the slave population, such as the corps of Scythian archers employed by Athens as a police force—originally 300, but eventually nearly a thousand. Secondly, the names given to slaves in the comedies often had a geographical link; thus Thratta, used by Aristophanes in The Wasps, The Acharnians, and Peace, simply signified Thracian woman. Finally, the nationality of a slave was a significant criterion for major purchasers; the ancient advice was not to concentrate too many slaves of the same origin in the same place, in order to limit the risk of revolt. It is also probable that, as with the Romans, certain nationalities were considered more productive as slaves than others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... mographics
noemon wrote:It is not proof that they mixed with people in the colonies, for all we know the white girl could be the mongrel and the darker men the original Greeks, you have manufactured an image in your head and you believe that this image of Nordic-looking original Greeks is for some reason the correct one and any deviation from that image the result of admixture, when in reality it is completely manufactured and evidently false as well.
Nordic people have blond hair and blue eyes.
The ancient Greeks were Caucasian people, and they looked like they are documented in ancient Greeks sculptures. We can see the scull shape and facial traits of ancient Greeks in their sculptures.
And yes, the sculptures were painted, and scientists can find traces of paint on them, and restore the colour of their skin and hair.
The archaeologists aren’t the first to notice that ancient sculptures featured bits of color, but they are the first to use extensive scientific methods to reveal the colors. Their arsenal included X-ray fluorescence, infrared spectroscopy, and ultraviolet analysis, among other methods.
https://moco-choco.com/2014/04/18/true- ... n-statues/
And here are some examples of ancient Mediterranean people:
noemon wrote:Again your image is manufactured because some German romantics found their idealised forms of humans in Georgia. Greece has changed hands once since the Roman Empire. Georgia has changed hands about 30 times since the antiquity.
I was not talking about whole Georgia, I was talking about a very isolated Svanetia region of Georgia, scientists agree that these people did not change during the centuries.
The marauding Mongols never reached Svanetia and, for a time, the region became a cultural safe house.
Well, why did they not look for a perfect beauty in Germany?
Why did they not look for a perfect beauty in Ethiopia?
Is it not obvious that any race believes that their own racial traits are the standard of beauty?
It is idiotic to call Europeans "racists" because they believe that their own racial traits are the most beautiful.
"...the Thracians' gods had light blue eyes and red hair, the Ethiopians' snub noses and black skin..."
The Greeks: A Portrait of Self and Others
by Paul Cartledge
It is obvious that Greek gods looked more like the Thracians's gods, and Thracia was next door to ancient Greece, Ethiopia was far away.
The mummies from Egypt looked rather like Ethiopians, not like Greek gods, documented in ancient sculptures.
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