[QatzelOk]

That's because the disaster in Valencia's suburbs is not a rerouting built for the city 55 years ago. The river isn't even rerouted to the suburbs.

The floodway passes right by the suburbs that were flooded. Look at the map that I provided in the OP. It will only take a second, and if you at least acknowledge that you have seen it, it will make you look less like a blind troll.

You have posted ZERO media that mentionned the rerouting of the river. If you do, I will read the media and admire its integrity.
But if you don't, then you have no points to share in this thread.

[wat0n]

The floodway passes right by the suburbs that were flooded. Look at the map that I provided in the OP. It will only take a second, and if you at least acknowledge that you have seen it, it will make you look less like a blind troll.

You have posted ZERO media that mentionned the rerouting of the river. If you do, I will read the media and admire its integrity.
But if you don't, then you have no points to share in this thread.

No, it does not.

The waterway that was overwhelmed is the Rambla del Poyo, not the Túria River (with its modified route). The Túria is some kms north of the Rambla del Poyo.

This article in El País (the most mainstream Spanish media you could possibly think of) explains it neatly in the map you can access despite the paywall:

https://elpais.com/espana/2024-10-31/co ... gados.html

[QatzelOk]

The waterway that was overwhelmed is the Rambla del Poyo, not the Túria River (with its modified route). The Túria is some kms north of the Rambla del Poyo. ...

You keep providing MORE articles that don't mention that Valencia moved its primary, city center river.

And you keep saying YOU KNOW that this isn't why the south of Valencia flooded, even though you're not a civil engineer with a profound understanding of river re-routing.

My point is that the media keeps us ignorant by NOT including vital information, like that Valencia moved its main river.

And you keep saying that you are happy with this ignorance, because you are capable of "inventing" explanations for why ALL MSM missed this important variable. Pulling explanations out of your ass... is exactly what a decent mass media would be able to prevent.

[wat0n]

You keep providing MORE articles that don't mention that Valencia moved its primary, city center river.

And you keep saying YOU KNOW that this isn't why the south of Valencia flooded, even though you're not a civil engineer with a profound understanding of river re-routing.

My point is that the media keeps us ignorant by NOT including vital information, like that Valencia moved its main river.

And you keep saying that you are happy with this ignorance, because you are capable of "inventing" explanations for why ALL MSM missed this important variable. Pulling explanations out of your ass... is exactly what a decent mass media would be able to prevent.

You don't need to be a civil engineer to understand a map

[Potemkin]

@QatzelOk I think you're misunderstanding something.

The issue is not that Valencia changed the natural course of its river (the Túria). The Spaniards built the infrastructure you're referring to so the city of Valencia proper would not be likely to be affected by floods over the cold drop (gota fría) again, but this project wasn't designed to protect its suburbs.

And the project worked, the damage is concentrated in the suburbs that were never meant to be covered by the project, not in the city.

The real "news" is that those suburbs deliberately built in zones that were known to be flood zones. This is actually much more common than you'd think, in the US it reflects on home insurance rates (there's a crisis with this sector in some states) in other countries (like Chile) this is made explicit in master plan maps, and some places even have signs warning which parts of the city or the localities are flood zones (like in coastal cities and towns, so people know where to flee if there's a tsunami). The media is obviously asking why the Comunidad Valenciana allowed it but this has always been known.

Perhaps a more interesting question is why would anyone ever rent or buy property in a flood zone, particularly when those properties often aren't cheaper (if anything, they can often be more expensive). Those flood zones are usually mapped and known in advance, do people ever do their research before investing several hundred thousand dollars in property? Do local authorities have evacuation plans from those areas in case of an emergency and is the population as a whole aware of what to do if that happens?

We have the same problem in the UK - housing estates are often built on floodplains, and people cheerfully buy them as though nothing could possibly go wrong….

[QatzelOk]

We have the same problem in the UK - housing estates are often built on floodplains, and people cheerfully buy them as though nothing could possibly go wrong….

Imagine if there had been major flooding that killed 200 people in the UK, and NO MEDIA reported that the Thames had been re-directed onto this area 60 years ago from its original route.

That would be a sign that media is useless for informing the public.

By the way, the First Nations used to look in horror when settlers would dam rivers or re-route them to irrigate farmland. For the First Nations, this kind of "editing" of natural geography at a large scale... was ultimately suicidal.

For Europeans, GODTM had given them the right to exploit the planet and all its plants and animals. So for Euro-Christians, defending the natural topography was blasphemous. This defending of nature... is still blasphemous for the MIC.

For today's techno-worshippers, the GodTM-given right to manipulate the landscape and put all the animals into cages... is sacrosanct. If anything goes wrong, it is our duty as techno-worshippers to defend the right of humans to re-locate rivers.

This is why wat0n is harving a hard time wrapping his head around the fact that media (ALL MEDIA) skipped over the elephant in the room. Again.

[wat0n]

The Túria was not redirected to the suburbs that were flooded. The Túria was redirected straight to the sea, with the reroute being within city limits.

[QatzelOk]

The Túria was not redirected to the suburbs that were flooded. The Túria was redirected straight to the sea, with the reroute being within city limits...

You are arguing against a map that was posted twice in this thread. The river was rerouted to the south of the city, and this is indicated in blue on the map. This is a few km away from the recent disastrous flooding.

And every media missed the fact that the river was re-routed, perhaps hoping that no one would be able to read a map or do any research at all. By the way, Spain had an openly fascist government when Valencia flooded in 1957, and in 1970 when the plan to build a highway in the drained riverbed was unveiled. Valencians rebelled against this highway plan at the time when the fascists were on the way out the door, especially in Catalonia. Perhaps the fascists intentionally flooded Valencia in order to get a highway built for corporate sponsors? This IS how fascism works after all. Money for policy.

I visited Valencia for a few weeks, and spent about 20 minutes looking up the river history. And yet PAID MEDIA people did zero research and if you counted on them for insight, you would be insight-free for your entire life. Commercial media just wants to get eyeballs on advertisement, and their stories are just bait for idle eyeballs.

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"Come on over to MSM because we got lots of Valencia for you! Flood images, testimonials, graphic charts, maybe even a few hard-to-understand maps for the eggheads.

Now, while you're trying to wrap your head around that confusing map, here's an ad for you to admire:"

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[wat0n]

I'm not arguing against "the map". I'm arguing against your misinterpretation of it.

It is a map of the City of Valencia, which was not flooded. The map you want would show the Rambla del Poyo (Poyo Creek).

[Potemkin]

I'm not arguing against "the map". I'm arguing against your misinterpretation of it.

It is a map of the City of Valencia, which was not flooded. The map you want would show the Rambla del Poyo (Poyo Creek).

Stop trying to confuse @QatzelOk with the facts, @wat0n! Aren’t his cleverly selected memes good enough for you? How dare you?!

[QatzelOk]

I'm not arguing against "the map". I'm arguing against your misinterpretation of it.

It is a map of the City of Valencia, which was not flooded. The map you want would show the Rambla del Poyo (Poyo Creek).

The map that is twice posted... shows both the city and the area just outside the city limits that was seriously flooded.

Paiporto is 1 km from that floodway in the south of Valencia.

I understand that the MSM hasn't provided you with any information, wat0n. But please stop rejecting actual information. Have you become Truth Anorexic from watching too much MSM? If so, there are cures out there.

Stop trying to confuse QatzelOk with the facts, wat0n!

If this is what "facts" look like, I can see why they are getting a bad reputation. (Perhaps "facts" spent some time on Epstein Island and have never been the same?)

If powerful voices don't stop re-defining words, humanity might die of induced stupidity.

[wat0n]

The map that is twice posted... shows both the city and the area just outside the city limits that was seriously flooded.

Paiporto is 1 km from that floodway in the south of Valencia.

I understand that the MSM hasn't provided you with any information, wat0n. But please stop rejecting actual information. Have you become Truth Anorexic from watching too much MSM? If so, there are cures out there.

And yet the waterway for the Túria inside the city still did not flood and worked as intended since the rise in the volume of water was below the maximum it was designed to accommodate.

That waterway does not reroute the Túria into the Rambla del Poyo. The reroute is within city limits.

[QatzelOk]

And yet the waterway for the Túria inside the city still did not flood and worked as intended since the rise in the volume of water was below the maximum it was designed to accommodate.

That waterway does not reroute the Túria into the Rambla del Poyo. The reroute is within city limits.

Wow, wat0n. It sounds like you are a civil engineer with a lot of experience in flood mapping and dam construction.

Not me. But I do expect important information to be included on Front-Page stories because of my Political Science degree.

Which university did you get your Civil Engineering degree from? (Or should I say Trolling Degree)

[wat0n]

Are you a civil engineer, Qatz?

[QatzelOk]

Are you a civil engineer, Qatz?

My concentration in University was Politics and Media.

Which is why I started a thread about how the entire MSM missed the detail that Valencia had "moved its river" a few decades ago.

This is an unforgivable omission.

You can learn a lot about mainstream media by NOTICING omissions.

...In a system in which the media has become merely a totally dishonest tool for administering ideological control, important information that is missing or removed sometimes tells us more about reality than does the supposedly factual news being presented...

The primary example he uses in his article, as that all the recent hit pieces on RFK have ALL MISSED the fact that he denied the existence of AIDS as a disease, and claimed that Fauci committed a deadly hoax with his AZT "vaccination" campaign a few decades ago.

Kennedy’s book sold more than a million copies and he devoted nearly half the length—some 200 pages—to promoting the theory that AIDS did not exist as a real disease and was instead merely a medical media hoax concocted by Dr. Anthony Fauci and his greedy corporate allies.

...Yet my astonishment at reading such incendiary claims about HIV/AIDS was matched by my equal astonishment that the topic was totally ignored by all the ferocious media hit-pieces soon launched against Kennedy and his book, including a 4,000 word article produced by a large team of Associated Press journalists...

[wat0n]

So you don't in fact have the expertise you demand from me to be able to understand facts?

Also, do you understand Spanish?

[QatzelOk]

In today's Canadian commercial newspapers, the most important story is that Trump is threatening to add a 25% tarif on all imports from Canada.

This is not NEARLY as important as the story that Biden has started WW3 by permitting Ukraine to start using American weapons and personel to target targets inside Russia.

So here is what MSM in Canada looks like today:

Tariffs
Tariffs
Tariffs!
Tariffs?
Biden started WW3
Tariffs!
Tariffs or tariffs?

The strikethrough story is the most important one.

But the point I am trying to make is that MSM media is not there to inform readers of important stuff that could help them make good decisions. It is there to buy permission to do things like... uh... start a nuclear war with Russia that may end in all of us being used as human shields for Blackrock, the banksters, and their pet Neocon Straussian Trotskyites.

So you don't in fact have the expertise you demand from me to be able to understand facts?

Also, do you understand Spanish?

The most important thing about your contribution to this thread is what you DON'T mention.

You have never mentionned any mainstream media source that has provided the background information about Valencia having had its central river moved. You have thus conceded my point that MSM is not in the business of informing its readers.

Muchisimas gracias por esto.

[wat0n]

I also mentioned that, @QatzelOk.

The Túria was rerouted to prevent it from overflowing and flooding the city again. The rerouting is inside the city and was made to accommodate larger than normal flows. It worked, by the way - it did not overflow in the City of Valencia.

[QatzelOk]

It's 1937, and you're at a Little League baseball game in Manchester Township, New Jersey.

As a journalist, you notice that everyone is looking up at the sky instead of at the game.

There is a hush in the crowd, and then a loudspeaker announces that the game is cancelled, please go home.

Your news article the next day reports that a Little League game was cancelled because no one was watching it, preferring to look up in the sky.

You missed one detail in your story.



Have you done good journalism?

[elias877]

The Valencia flood rerouting thing with the river is so crazy how the media totally ignored that. And they just skipped over such a big piece of the puzzle. They seem too obsessed with sharing with flashy headlines rather than actually going deep on the real story. They don’t care, it’s as if they don’t care about the details that state exactly what was going on.