Decky wrote:Being on youtube does not make anyone look like an important personage
So, for example, Neil Degrasse Tyson is not an important personage?
Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...
Decky wrote:Being on youtube does not make anyone look like an important personage
Decky wrote:Being on Youtube is proof that you have webcam and an internet connection that is it, nothing else whatsoever
If this is so, why are you in this thread at all? The premise of the thread is that in fact youtube has a complex media structure that is worthy of analysis.
If you disagree with that premise (before even getting into the more complex aspects such as isomorphism, hyperreality, and so on), what are you even doing posting here?
Potemkin wrote:Noemon is right, Decky. Clearly, these people do think (falsely) that posting their videos on Youtube grants their inane ramblings an aura of legitimacy and respectability. In the far-off distant days before teh internetz, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, people like that would just bore the tits off everyone at their local pub by droning on in a loud voice about the nignogs and the lefties. Nowadays, they have a media platform complete with microphones and cameras from which they can propagate their contemptible nonsense, and have a potential audience in the millions. Their message is just as negligible and contemptible as always, but the medium now makes them look like an important personage rather than just an obnoxious opinionated bore, which is what they are. In that respect, the medium truly is the message, as Marshall McLuhan rightly said.
Just saying it is so is not an argument. Being on youtube does not make anyone look like an important personage, it makes them look like someone that can afford a webcam. Evidently you and MB are far more easily impressed than I am.
What on earth do mere numbers have to do with the perception of integrity Pote? :?: If someone sells 100 copies of a book or 100,000 I would still judge it on what was in the book not on the sales and I think most people any sense would do likewise. Have you had a look at the best sellers recently? It is all cook books and celebrity autobiographies.
Decky wrote:Fair enough Noeman I will vanish and leave MB to give us his opinion totally unchallenged like Moses descending from the mount with his tablets, I am sure that will add to the one way "conversation", adios.
Sorry, just killing time waiting for @Rhetoric Thug to reply.
Telepathy will replace all forms of hardware which naturally distort or incidentally transform human software information (the evolution of ancestral/genetic information compiled through time & space). We shall return to a very naturalistic process that had been installed over the course of our evolution. We will establish & understand the connection between the mind, will, & its manifested representation. We shall bridge the quantum gap, locally grasp nonlocal experience, and conquer time & space during this new age of quantum reason. This process or understanding of process, will be wholly aligned with the very nature of reality… As we extend our human senses through the frequency or elements of sensation itself. For if we bond with the chemical experience of all experience which is responsible for the thing in itself, we shall be just as real & immediate within the NOW as the river that flows up/downstream or the ocean that caresses infinite sand particles with each roaring rolling wave.
Interesting post, Rhetoric Thug, thank you for adding your perspective, which i do appreciate.I do enjoy civil discourse
If I understand your post correctly, you're saying that my initial assumptions are too limited, in that youtube isn't really the medium in question, but rather the internet as a whole. As such, the content of youtube is basically as irrelevant as the phone chatter described by McLuhan.Correct.
And internet is itself a layering atop the fundamental communication technologies of Western civilization, which themselves are reflective of the entire heritage of western thought- as you quoted from Laws of Media, "linear, logical, and sequential in accordance with the pattern of efficient causality".Sure, Harold Innis influenced MM, so empire and communication go hand in hand. We're uploading Western civilization to the cloud (noosphere), and we're trying to augment the entire globe. The Shannon-Weaver model of communication resembles classical mechanics (localized cause & effect) because its focus is on the motion of information under the influence of a fixed system of communication, whereas McLuhan used an approach similar to quantum mechanics (nonlocal, relative, and simultaneous) to describe the motion of information under the influence of a system of communication. In Gutenberg galaxy, MM linked the mechanization of the printing press to our social-biological evolution, but critics dismissed his thought provoking theory as 'technological determinism.' In reality, technology may be the only thing that can transcend natural selection (and yes, I know, I know, we create tech from our natural inventory so technically we can never escape natural selection). For instance, the Promethean flame changed humanity. With fire, we can cook, make pottery, etc. Fire influenced our social-biological evolution and reorganized time/space. Simple discoveries shift our trajectory. What do you think, do you think Newton could of discovered his laws of gravity without the alphabet? See, we're everything that came before us, and we will change the future by participating here right NOW.
Without going into Agora land, I do want to ask you something that I've been thinking about for some time now.This is what print does to our mind, it compartmentalizes time-space and forces men to become specialists. Of course, since modern society had been created through typography, we set up our civilization to mimic print. For pattern seeking creatures living under the 4th dimension, compartmentalized patterns are far more easier to grasp than kaleidoscopic patterns of awareness. Nonetheless, It seems rather silly to include (to me, at least) "Without going into Agora land," because it is an inescapable topic if we're to discuss the nature of man. Of course, I understand your responsibility as a member of this forum, but in reality, you can never go off-topic, because we're topical thinkers. Instead of vertical pillars of discipline/study, I try to imagine our knowledge base as one holographic sphere.
I'm friends with some biologists and I've recently proposed the notion that our brains are themselves quantum processes rather than traditional mechanical systems- this is a model derived from the work of the "new idealists" notable amongst them, Bernardo Kastrup. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but do you think McLuhan would agree with that notion?Well, perhaps 'quantum' is the closest word/concept we can use to describe our brains, but I think it is more advanced than any metaphor in use today. If you consider the mind-matter interface, it is hard to ignore the fact that we are incapable of true invention, we simply rearrange the material world in our image. For instance, in order to leave earth we must take earth with us, we didn't invent a spaceship, we discovered it. Surprisingly, the human imagination is not confined by anything physical or time-space.
A Human-Made “Bubble” of Radio Waves Could Be Shielding Earth From Radiation. Very Low Frequency radio waves have created a protective bubble around the planet
There’s hardly anything on Earth that has escaped human influence—from the oceans to the atmosphere. But a new study suggests that human activity is also influencing the space around our planet; this is on top of the space junk already swirling around out there. Very Low Frequency (VLF) broadcasts have created a planetary cocoon, shielding the planet from high energy particle radiation, according to a NASA press release.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180963369/
It also seems to me like the major limiting factor is language, which itself is of course the earliest biological technology evolved by humans. I really like this notion of linearity being the limiting factor. Ted Chang in his short story, "The Story of Your Life" addressed this by imagining a quantum language. A similar concept was introduced by Kurt Vonnegut Jr. when he dreamed up "4th dimensional" beings able to communicate telepathically.Why do you think I say 'Beyond the One and Zero...' Hmmm, I'm in a hurry typing this, I'll return soon. Cheers.
Surprisingly, the human imagination is not confined by anything physical or time-space.
One Degree wrote:@RhetoricThugParallel perception discussing and dissecting nuance. Hmmm, yes, DNA activation, and gene-washing... I will elaborate further, but I'd like to reserve this post...
Something must confine it or direct it. One reason I enjoy Pofo is because you intellectuals supply me with material I am totally unfamiliar with (I have never read McLuhan), but I have drawn many of the same conclusions on my own. I am a firm believer that the knowledge really is already resident in our brains. People who spend time thinking about such things seem to come up with basically the same Conclusions. Our arguments are usually about the 'noise' affecting our different versions, but the conclusions are similar. If our brains were not confined or directed then we would have a universe of options to choose from and similar conclusions would be rare.
Yes, I see you actually said it is not confined by anything physical or time-space. so I am not really disputing your statement, just commenting on it because I like to see myself in print.
MB wrote:Do you guys lack the required knowledge of Mcluhans media theory to make informed comments on the actual content of my post? Or are you just perfectly happy with the way Internet shit heads constantly complaining on YouTube are destroying informed discourse?
Wellsy wrote:It really reminds me of TV itself in that any time I stop watching TV for a bit and have come back to see the types of shows on it. It's disgusting and utter shit that I wondered how I was able to waste any time on it and was entertained other than the thought that it was aversion to everything else and to fill up boredom in not doing anything.
Wellsy wrote:Listening to someone on youtube isn't necessarily all that better than those on TV, here in Australia we got a fuckwit Andew Bolt, in the states they had their Rush Limbaugh's, Bill Maher and other figures to talk shit for people's entertainment. And I think that's it, that it is merely entertainment regardless of how substnative it's content is that functions well for a society in which the economy dominates aspects of our civil life.
Wellsy wrote:Because television is meant to be perpetual to keep one watching it forever, so real character development or what ever only happens at a finale, which is simply expected in a movie.
Wellsy wrote:Youtube is perhaps an example of this expansive spectacle and its reach is far further than any TV of the past in it's advertising and people watching it for hours a day.
Things are much faster on the internet and youtube has become a replacement of TV itself.
Wellsy wrote:And then the whole culture of piss taking with remixes and that, I love watching the remixes of Alex Jones because he's just hilariously entertaining and that gets views.
Wellsy wrote:SO like the TV never changing philosophy because one needs to keep watching, kept on the merry go round which hopefully simulates some emotional fevor in you that is addictive because it's a small amount of excitement in one's life, because what can be more constantly over stimulating than the friggin' internet as an enhanced version of the already over stimulating TV.
Decky wrote:This is just a simple fact, anybody with a webcam can record a Youtube video and everyone knows that anyone with a webcam can record one.
Decky wrote:Your entire argument hinges on the idea that Youtube confers some sort of legitimacy onto people and you have provided no evidence for this (as none exists).
MB wrote:Well it couldn't be clearer that you have no desire whatsoever to discuss McLuhan's theories as they apply to youtube, which is the purpose of this thread. You are obviously mistaken about the nature of my "argument".
Potemkin wrote:Noemon is right, Decky. Clearly, these people do think (falsely) that posting their videos on Youtube grants their inane ramblings an aura of legitimacy and respectability.
Potemkin wrote:Nowadays, they have a media platform complete with microphones and cameras from which they can propagate their contemptible nonsense, and have a potential audience in the millions.
SolarCross wrote:Youtube is a big tent, most of the original content stuff on there is funny cat vids, inane jokes or video game playthroughs.
Decky wrote:Being on Youtube is proof that you have webcam and an internet connection that is it, nothing else whatsoever. It is does not confer any legitimacy onto anybody, everyone is totally aware that almost anyone can make a Youtube video, no one notices someone has managed to upload something to you Youtube and thinks, well they must be really smart! They managed to sign up for a Youtube account!
B0ycey wrote:Actually why emphasize McLuhan to just YouTube? PoFo has it's fair share of nobodies who consider their opinion king and somewhat legitimate. The whole internet is a global media platform. Anyone can voice their opinion on it. And the more extreme someones viewpoint, the more vocal they are.
B0ycey wrote:And today politician's are realising the potential of social media.
B0ycey wrote:So it appears the old media (papers) empires are losing their power to influence.
foxdemon wrote:The printing press empowered people outside the elite to express their opinions to a large audience.
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