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The Second World War (1939-1945).
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layman wrote:
I think it is reasonable to think Stalin would expand through military means when he were capable and when it was convenient. He was almost certainly buying time until he could invade Germany. After that, and then the capitalist-democracys in Europe.

It kind of sounds as hollow as Nasser in the 6 days war. I think the arab socialists, as with the stalinists in Russia, were using the talk of being on the defensive for tactical reasons. They were every bit as ideologically agressive as the Nazis and I have no reason to think this wouldnt tanslate to invasion.


Without a doubt. The Soviets were merely biding their time; they expended a lot on fomenting domestic unrest and sabotage until they felt strong enough to launch military conquests. Hitler just happened to jump first against Stalin, is the only difference in that timeline.

As for the 'they started it!' narratives, military and defense doctrines left the schoolyard excuses behind hundreds of years ago; attacking first is indeed considered to be a justifiable defensive move in the face of coming aggression from a moralist view. Only idiots would let their enemies get off the first shot these days.
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Bulaba Jones wrote:The USSR benefiting from German aggression is not equal to "starting" WWII. German aggression was responsible for WWII. What other nations did is a separate issue. The USSR, engaged in conflict with various neighboring nations, was not responsible for war breaking out between Germany, France, Britain, etc. ...


Well, if the WWI German government was responsible for allowing Lenin & crew to transit Germany to the Finland Station, then you can blame the fact of the USSR's existence on Germany. @ least, that's the history I remember. In fact, that ploy worked tremendously well - in the short run. In the long run, of course ... (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_ ... E2.80.9317)

"In February 1917, the February Revolution broke out in St. Petersburg – recently renamed Petrograd – as industrial workers went on strike over food shortages and deteriorating factory conditions. The unrest spread to other parts of Russia, and fearing that he would be violently overthrown, Tsar Nicholas II abdicated. The State Duma took over control of the country, establishing a Provisional Government.[118] When Lenin learned of this from his base in Switzerland, he celebrated with other dissidents.[119] He decided to return to Russia to take charge of the Bolsheviks, but found that most passages in to the country were blocked due to the ongoing conflict. He organised a plan with other dissidents to negotiate a passage for them through Germany, with whom Russia was then at war. Recognising that these dissidents could cause problems for their Russian enemies, the German government agreed to permit 32 Russian citizens to travel in a train carriage through their territory, among them Lenin and his wife.[120] The group traveled by train from Zurich to Sassnitz, proceeding by ferry to Trelleborg, Sweden, and from there to Helsinki, Finland, before taking the final train to Petrograd.[121]"

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