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It's 9/11 time again and all the media attention.
The US is still involved in an asymmetric war and if anything the attacks on the US are increasing. Is the US losing the war on terrorism.
When will the press stop fuelling the never ending publicity for this succesful attack with graphic details that seem to increase over time?


Six floors below Mr Reyher, James Logozzo watched with stunned colleagues from the Morgan Stanley boardroom. He recalled that it took three or four jumpers to flash past him before he realised they were people. Then a woman fell, lying flat on her back and staring upwards. ‘The look on her face was shock. She wasn’t screaming,’ he recalled. ‘It was slow motion. After she hit the ground, there was nothing left.’
For those down below, the bodies landed with sickening, almost explosive thuds. Many said it was raining bodies.
One fireman, Danny Suhr, was killed as he made his way to the South Tower after a jumper landed on him, ‘coming out of the sky like a torpedo’ and breaking his neck. Compounding the tragedy, the priest who gave him the last rites was later killed by falling debris.
When she learnt how Danny died, his childhood sweetheart Nancy thought: how horrendous for that poor person who had to choose to jump; at least Danny did not have to make that choice. At least she had a body, for Danny’s colleagues took him to hospital after he was hit.
It was a decision that saved their lives — they would otherwise have been in the tower when it collapsed.
Firefighter Maureen McArdle-Schulman says she felt like she was intruding on a sacrament as the bodies fell. She adds: ‘They were choosing to die and I was watching them and shouldn’t have been. So me and another guy turned away and looked at a wall and we could still hear them hit.’
Bill Feehan, the deputy chief of the fire department, screamed at a man filming jumpers with a video camera: ‘Don’t you have any human decency?’
Fire battalion chief Joseph Pfeifer put out a desperate plea on the North Tower’s public address system. ‘Please don’t jump. We’re coming up for you,’ he said, not realising that nobody was listening — the system had long since been destroyed.
Images of the falling bodies disturbed and appalled all who saw them. On the first anniversary of the tragedy, an exhibition showing a work called Tumbling Woman, a bronze sculpture by artist Eric Fischl, lasted just a week in New York’s Rockefeller Centre before it was closed following protests and even bomb threats.
Human tragedy: Someone leaps from the burning World Trade Center on 9/11. It is thought that jumpers would have fallen for around 10 seconds
But one picture has become an iconic image. When a man fell at 9.41am from near the top of the North Tower, Richard Drew caught a dozen frames of his descent, including one in which he is diving vertically, arms by his sides and left leg bent at the knee. The image, all the more horrific for its desolate stillness, appeared the next day in newspapers around the world.
Dubbed the Falling Man, it prompted the media to hunt for the man’s identity. None of those who jumped from the towers has ever been officially identified and, tellingly, nobody rushed to claim Falling Man as their own.
Dark-skinned, goatee-bearded, wearing an orange T-shirt under a white shirt , he was first thought to be Norberto Hernandez, a pastry chef at the restaurant Windows on the World, on the top floors of the North Tower. His deeply religious family angrily rejected the notion, insisting that for him to have jumped would have amounted to a betrayal.
‘He was trying to come home to us and he knew he wasn’t going to make it by jumping out a window,’ his daughter Catherine says.
Grim: United Airlines Flight 175 collides into the south tower of the World Trade Center
Since then, the hunt for the Falling Man has moved on to another of the restaurant’s staff, Jonathan Briley, a 43-year-old sound engineer. The reaction of his deeply religious family has highlighted the deep moral complexities that suicide — whatever the circumstances — poses in a country where so many believe it is a sin, unforgivable by God.
Some of Mr Briley’s family have never believed he jumped, and say they were vindicated after the authorities found his largely intact body.
‘I had no idea it would give me the peace years later to know that,’ says his sister Gwendolyn. ‘If he had fallen from the 110th floor to the ground we wouldn’t have had that.’
Investment banker Richard Pecarello, 59, who tracked down that picture of his fiancee as she fell, also found peace. But for him it was in knowing that his fiancée did choose to jump. Most families have recovered no more than a fragment of bone, identified through DNA, of their loved ones, Mr Pecarello points out.
‘To me, the photo of her falling was like finding the body,’ he says. ‘I thought it was something that would help me move on. I needed to know how she died.’
When a 9/11 Memorial Museum opens at Ground Zero next year, it will have a small display dedicated to the jumpers, but reflecting the intense feelings of unease the subject has provoked, it will be tucked away in an alcove, on the grounds that the images are considered too private and too distressing.
It seems a harsh fate for those agonised mortals who faced the naked terror of that ten-second plunge to certain death. For the jumpers saved lives even as they were losing theirs.
In testimony after testimony, survivors of the South Tower say they only realised they had to ignore the official safety all-clear and get out fast when they saw those terrible shapes tumbling past their windows.


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#14721321
9/11 will continue to be a big thing for a long time to come. It has the elements of a perfect opportunity to get people riled up and feeling patriotic on cue: an "other" that doesn't even have to be any particular race or ethnicity (and it's becoming blurred with "extremism" in general rather than Islamic extremism), and a justification to attack other countries and create new messes by saying "this could happen again if we don't attack [person/place]."
#14721323
It's 9/11 time again and all the media attention.


This is a shit post. And the cut and paste piece has nothing to do with it.

The US is still involved in an asymmetric war and if anything the attacks on the US are increasing. Is the US losing the war on terrorism.


The US is loosing? Tell that to Osama, Saddam, and ISIL. We have been "relatively" unscathed since 9-11

When will the press stop fuelling the never ending publicity for this succesful attack with graphic details that seem to increase over time?


I am not sure that Osama would call it successful now if he was not fish food. He accomplished the destruction of his group and it forced morphing into little more than a band of thugs and rapists masquerading under the guise of an Islamic state.

I hope they never stop reminding us of the events of 9-11. And in graphic detail. The graphic detail is necessary now (as it is in reporting about the holocaust) because many of the people they are reporting to were not alive then. Or old enough to remember the day in its stark details.



I don't know. When will the Jews get over the holocaust?


This.
#14721358
They shouldn't, anymore than assassinations of JFK, Lincoln, Luther King, the legacy of the US Civil War or Senator McCarthy's Committee on Un-American Activities.

These are major events in US political & social history.

Hell, in Britain we still can't get over the tumultuous legacy of the English Civil War of the 1640s & Oliver Cromwell as Lord Protector of the first British republic, nor the Irish.

Why should Indians 'get over' 'The Emergency' of the 1970s? Or the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi?
#14721455
Drlee wrote:I am not sure that Osama would call it successful now if he was not fish food. He accomplished the destruction of his group and it forced morphing into little more than a band of thugs and rapists masquerading under the guise of an Islamic state.


If bin Laden was trying to lure the US into an expensive and protracted series of war in MENA countries, as some suggest, then his attack was very successful.

I hope they never stop reminding us of the events of 9-11. And in graphic detail. The graphic detail is necessary now (as it is in reporting about the holocaust) because many of the people they are reporting to were not alive then. Or old enough to remember the day in its stark details.


If you want a reminder, then here it is: on that day, the US supported a coup against a democracy, putting a dictatorship in place to help US economic interests.
#14721551
Most of my students in college don't remember it.

It's been politicized so egregiously by rightwingers that beg to be victimized that it's a joke most of the time.

There are still sore spots, like the way Congress shit on the first responders to save money for their spectacular Orwellian War Against a Feeling. But other than that, as much as nation will, they're over it.
#14721944
The perpetrators of those acts are more prolific than ever before, controlling a significant part of idlib province in Syria, and their former compatriots control all ISIS holdings. The establishment media in europe and the US has normalized these groups, and even lends a sympathetic ear to their antics.

They're conducting weekly attacks in the west now, including the US, and that means 3,000 deaths remain unavenged. Resolution comes at the moment of annihilation. See Russia's solution in Chechnya. Pretty much done and dusted. Furthermore, last night Clinton engaged in Islamist apologist mantra on national television. This is how far the sellouts controlling your institutions have fallen.

For the general public, it would be odd to simply fugetaboutit. It would be logical to kick out the regime that enabled this status quo to continue and to implement one that will actually protect the society against these backward cultural groups.

Trump would force the collapse of al qaeda in syria simply by refusing to give them TOW's. That's how easy it is, but that's how vile Obama and Clinton are, they continue to supply the Saudis who continue to proliferate arms to America's biggest enemies. Because they're criminal scum.
#14722508
It will remain a significant issue because of major flaws in the investigation.
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Igor Antunov wrote:Trump would force the collapse of al qaeda in syria simply by refusing to give them TOW's. That's how easy it is, but that's how vile Obama and Clinton are, they continue to supply the Saudis who continue to proliferate arms to America's biggest enemies. Because they're criminal scum.


This aged well.

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