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By Orestes
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@PI

Table Talk to my knowledge is considered to be largely authentic. Perhaps Varg was thinking of the book Hitler Speaks by Herman Raushning, which indeed is regarded as an outright forgery.
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By QatzelOk
#14139884
It's amazing that we forget that the Communist government of the USSR killed far more Slavs than the Nazi army did in its short history.

Likewise, the Slav/Jewish animosity is greatly diminished by "remembering Hitler" as the essential evil of Western history.
By Andropov
#14139927
Wrong. What's amazing is people continue to believe completely baseless claims of "tens of millions" of innocent people "butchered" by the Stalin regime, even though there is literally zero proof for these numbers other than the "estimates" of historians based on nothing whatsoever.

January 1926 : 148,656,000[2]
January 1937: 162,500,000[2]
January 1939: 168,524,000[2]
June 1941: 196,716,000[2]
January 1946: 170,548,000[2]

January 1951: 182,321,000[2]
January 1959: 209,035,000[2]

Aside from the drop caused by WW2 and the Nazi invasion, there is no corresponding drop that would be the result of supposed "genocide" of Soviet citizens by the Stalin regime.
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By QatzelOk
#14142466
Andropov wrote:January 1926 : 148,656,000[2]
January 1937: 162,500,000[2]
January 1939: 168,524,000[2]
June 1941: 196,716,000[2]
January 1946: 170,548,000[2]
January 1951: 182,321,000[2]
January 1959: 209,035,000[2]

And we all know that Great Empires don't lie about statistics, or brag about fraudulent victories. Right?

The USA is NOT broke, and the USSR didn't starve millions, and kill millions more.
By Andropov
#14142477
So on one hand we have Soviet statistics, data, and archival documents. On the other hand, we have the completely baseless "estimates" of so called "historians", that use absolutely no statistics or archival documents.

I can also claim that Barack Obama has been secretly creating a network of rape-camps to rape Jews in the USA. There is no evidence for this assertion, you may say. Well, of course there isn't! Obama is obviously hiding all the evidence. Only a mental deficient is unable to see the obvious logical fallacy in this type of reasoning.
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By Andrea_Chenier
#14142528
QatzelOk wrote:It's amazing that we forget that the Communist government of the USSR killed far more Slavs than the Nazi army did in its short history.


About 20 million soviet citizens and soldiers died in the Great Patriotic War. The hitlerite plan was to utterly exterminate large parts of the soviet populace. All of this took its course in the name of fighting jewish-bolshevism and to gain Lebensraum for the german people. If Stalin really killed 20, 40, 60, or whatever hundreds of millions of innocent dissidents, the war imposed by the fascists took 20-27 million lives, and most probably citizens died of natural causes, too, how the hell could the USSR have survived the incredible population loss in so little time? How was it possible to survive Operation Barbarossa?
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By fuser
#14142553
^ Because soviets had the "evil" power which allowed them to resurrect their dead. Wehrmacht was defeated by an army of brainwashed zombies, you didn't knew that? :eh:
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By QatzelOk
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Andropov wrote:So on one hand we have Soviet statistics, data, and archival documents. On the other hand, we have the completely baseless "estimates" of so called "historians", that use absolutely no statistics or archival documents.

Yes, and the Soviets would never lie, even though they had every incentive to do so. Right?

Likewise, the Victorious Western Banks. Why would they lie about who killed whom? For money and power?
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By Travesty
#14142773
Qatzelok there is no truth, everything is a lie. Why don't you stash canned food and ammunition in your basement rig it with booby traps and never leave it because the mafia controls everything.
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By QatzelOk
#14142776
Travesty, those cans of food and basement shelters were really handy during the world wars that our Western mafias created for us. And these things are still more useful than Western History Books for the current residents of Yemen, Pakistan and the other countries we're "liberating" from "evil."
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By Travesty
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Stay vigilant. They will be coming to bomb the shit out of Montreal any day now.
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By Andrea_Chenier
#14142986
QatzelOk wrote:Yes, and the Soviets would never lie, even though they had every incentive to do so. Right?

Why would the soviet goverment lie to itself? Those archives were never available to the public until the fall of the USSR. They were secret. Why should an internal document contain lies?
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By QatzelOk
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Andrea_Chenier wrote:Why would the soviet goverment lie to itself?

There are many layers of governance.
Edward Bernays wrote:Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.


Andrea_Chenier wrote:Those archives were never available to the public until the fall of the USSR. They were secret. Why should an internal document contain lies?

How do you know that these statements aren't all lies as well? Perhaps the current oligarchs needed this propaganda, and pretended that is was all top secret before.
By fokker
#14765994
Hitler's hate of Slavs has probably roots in his stay in Vienna and life in Austria-Hungary. At that time there were many Slavs living in Vienna. It could almost look like they are taking over German cities. Imagine if 1/3 of city population became foreign in a decade or so. Austrian authorities didn't have experience with dealing with such problems as such mass migration didn't occur within the empire previously. The result was rise of German nationalism, repression of minorities. In WW1 slavs were reportedly very unreliable soldiers and Austria-Hungary had to rely on mixed battalions to maintain at least some discipline.
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By Oxymoron
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Russkie wrote:Wow, some of those claims he stated are now modern sterotypes of Russians.


Greatest quote by Hitler ever! :lol:


He was not that far off.
By Tewodros III
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Ter wrote:
Can you show some proof of that please ?
Thank you.

Well he didn't really say that literally, he actually had self-hate of certain european culture: "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[233]

Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."
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By Ter
#14766246
Tewodros III wrote:
Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."


Yes, and the Muslims were also beaten at the gates of Vienna.
But those "what-if" scenarios are just fantasy of course.
By Tewodros III
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Ter wrote:
Yes, and the Muslims were also beaten at the gates of Vienna.
But those "what-if" scenarios are just fantasy of course.

The point being Hitler rather have Islam ruled Europe than Christianity.

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